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About Sonic Syndrome in particular: it referred to "when a 2D game franchise tries out 3D but failed".

Not only it was somewhat complain-y for a title, not only it completely assumed that everybody hated the 3D Sonic games, when they still have a lot of fans...
But the title wasn't clear at all. I would've assumed catching "Sonic syndrome" would make one blue and very fast, not bad at making 3D games.

Eventually, it was renamed "Polygon Ceiling", before realizing "oh my god, we don't need this at all" and merged it with Video Game 3D Leap, since Tropes Are Tools. But it's still one of the suckiest pages created here, even if surpassed by "Retakers", which is still in the Permanent Red Link Club.

What is "Retakers"?

According to the PRLC, it was a page about a group of people who weren't satisfied with the original ending for Mass Effect 3. They had a page here but it was made by a vandal only to insult and harass that group.

Edited by PhantomDusclops92 on May 11th 2024 at 7:02:18 PM

I'm so glad Sonic is less of a punching bag nowadays.

no he's still a major punching bag

But the movies.

He's the fastest thing alive!

Also I love that the page topper post shows the "Well, negative tropes are valid and positive stuff probably isnt a trope" crowd they are WRONG

Edited by AegisP on May 11th 2024 at 11:34:33 AM

The only "Sonic as a punching bag" discourse I see these days are jokes about how the best modern Sonic games aren't actually Sonic games (Freedom Planet and Spark the Electric Jester are usually mentioned).

Edited by CompletelyNormalGuy on May 11th 2024 at 12:46:26 PM

I like how the second film's URL makes it look like it is due in 19998 years.

Oh yeah. XD

With how big of a Reviews Are the Gospel problem we have, I wonder if we should require tropers to cite the reviewer whose opinion that they're parroting. It's really annoying to see YMMV entries that are clearly taken from some reviewer.

The real problem is parroting a reviewer in the first place, but actually we have a cleanup to remove references to random critics. Adding them is what we don't want

I'm a bit late in responding since I wasn't reading the thread at the time, but Sonic Syndrome was the original name of Polygon Ceiling and not Video Game 3D Leap, though we cut Polygon Ceiling for being The Same, but More to Video Game 3D Leap (of the "done badly" variety).

Edit: I recall it being mentioned in the TRS thread that Polygon Ceiling/Sonic Syndrome predated Video Game 3D Leap, but the launch of a neutral supertrope via the latter made the former redundant.

Edited by GastonRabbit on May 12th 2024 at 9:08:42 AM

I have seen a few articles that clearly repeat what some reviewer said, like Linkara for comics or Slacktivist for Left Behind. Partly because these things are obscure or repulsive to most editors, and partly because they put things so neatly and wittily that it's hard to elaborate on them. But I would rather these critics were cited. It's hardly unusual among professionals, books like The World's Worst Movies often quote from other reviews.

The issue is that we aren't supposed to just take a reviewer's criticisms and stick them on YMMV. It's for general audience reactions with consensus, not just "this reviewer hated it".

I have a response in mind for the current prompt in the Draco In Leather Pants Game, but I'm also legit worried that it's too flippant and insensitive.

do it anyway!

I wonder if one day Anime examples will be merged with Animation. I am seeing that its getting increasingly troublesome to classify anime, animation from outside Japan and then Western Animation.

That would be like merging Manga and Comic Books, is it that worth it?

Look I am not saying IT SHOULD HAPPEN, I am against it actually. But I am afraid think future tropers might indeed think "Yeah, the only thing separating this is the country of origin". I hope it wont happen though.

Edited by AegisP on May 12th 2024 at 4:23:59 AM

I think both of those splits are safe because any attempt to merge them would also need to account for the other namespaces that are just variations of those mediums; Comic Strip/ and Webcomic/, as well as Animation/ and Web Animation/. I actually used these splits as arguments in favor of merging Light Novel/ with Literature/ as there was no precedent for splitting off any other type of literature, while the other mediums are all over the place. (I mean, there's Fanfic/, but...)

I always have a rule of thumb, if REALLY knowledgeable clean up veterans like War Jay say something it probably it is the truth.

Also, it IS neater to have separate mediums like this, its snazzy and great.

From the start we placed comics and animation from one country together and on their own. Because the two are so intertwined, so alike and apart from the rest in style that it made more sense. It also extended to light novels, that were so often placed under Anime & Manga. Franco-Belgian comics might have merited their own header, but they get animated far less often. It never looked right in the abstract, but it worked.

But now it's straining... because there's things coming from Korea and China that are indistinguishable both in style and production values. I'm wondering if the easiest solution will be to rename Anime & Manga to South-East Asian Drawn Media.

That seems so unnecesarily complicated, if it gets changed I doubt it will be to that.

I appreciate it, but in no way am I always right, lol. I just recognize that the debate would be impossible to win unless everyone decided that all the redundant namespaces should be merged, which will almost never happen.

Besides, we kept Manhua and Manhwa, which stuck because Manga is able to exist without (much) controversy.

Though it does make me think of the alt realities where the redundancies didn't exist, either because we only used Animation/, Literature/, Film/, Series/, Web Original/, and other "base" mediums... or because we stuck with just using Work/.

Edited by WarJay77 on May 12th 2024 at 8:40:42 AM