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The End Times: GW Finally Realised that Every Minute They Write About Fantasy Means a Minute of Not Writing About 40k.

edited 27th Aug '14 7:31:19 PM by SantosLHalper

So in short, shit be fucked up.

so they finally did it, after all this time people complain of GW having not balls whatsoever they throw the whole thing....

did anyone actually see this happen?

I get the feeling I'm going to have to say this a lot, but here goes:

There is no evidence that they are dropping the Warhammer Fantasy product line.

None. Zero. Bupkus. Insert whatever Nerdluck name you prefer.

There is so little evidence to support the idea that the absence of evidence wraps around to become evidence of absence; if they were retiring the product line entirely, I would expect the marketing around "The End Times: Nagash" to say it - "the last book WHFB will ever have" is a lot more compelling a reason to buy something than "you get to take more Lords". They even refer to it as "Warhammer: Nagash Book 1", indicating that they expect a Book 2 later on.

The most it is likely to do is define a new, messier baseline for the next WHFB edition - Tilea on fire, the Wood Elves in serious trouble, Kislev a wasteland - thereby serving as WHFB's Crisis on Infinite Earths. More likely, it's just a campaign book along the lines of Storm of Chaos, or the Exalted supplement "Return of the Scarlet Empress" - a chance to say "if this happened, here is probably how it'd pan out".

So, no. No, there is no reason to believe they're taking WHFB down to the back paddock to join Inquisitor and Gorkamorka just yet.

I agree that it seems to be a 'shit hitting the fan' event rather than the actual end.

I think GW just found out that outsourcing your epic apocalyptic events leads to stupid results and armless failures.

so this is what i found(SPOILERS ALERT)

malekith send malus darkblade in a dangerous mission against the khronate horde in the north, nothing new for malus so....

telcis blame tyrion for what he is done: to reveal that the princess of the high elfs is actually his daughter with everqueen, telcis them tells tyrion for what is going to do

aparenly baltazar gelt manate to make a spell strong enought to trap vampires there in sylvania, after that a pale woman comes to him and give him a scroll

mazamundi see a vision of fire, with deamons and skaven overun everything, after that he say the whamiest line of all warhammer "the great plan have fail, the exodus have begun"

....so could you say this is a wham moment up to eleven?

If they wanted more miniatures to sell, I don't understand why they don't just start writing army lists for the non-Western inspired countires, like Cathay or Araby.

edited 2nd Sep '14 7:10:55 PM by SantosLHalper

My reading of the situation is that GW is trying to grab as much money as possible, as quickly as possible, hence the emphasis on eighty-five fucking dollars?! Ahem, the emphasis on overpriced hardback campaign books and codices, which are deliciously profitable thanks to low printing costs. Most of the company's newest models have been big, expensive hero units, vehicles or monsters, which I assume are similarly profitable, rather than redesigning the existing lineup of rank-and-file models. So investing the time and money to build a brand new army might not be feasible at the moment.

A question - how canon is all this? Is this really the next chapter in the story of the Warhammer World, unlike that Storm of Chaos that turned out to be more of a Drizzle of Chaos? Or is this a scenario of sorts, one of the many ways the Warhammer World could end, potentially leading to future campaign books describing Malekith's final invasion of Ulthuan, the Skaven finally getting their magic nukes to work, or the Chaos Dwarves' Doom Trains overrunning the rest of the planet?

It's canon. The question is to what degree it's canon. Is this just the Warhammer Fantasy equivalent of, say, GW publishing the 13th Black Crusade, a sort of perpetual "end time" for the universe, or is this just one canon end time in the series of end times?

The Morghast is a good effort, but it still isn't as dedicated to the cause of SKULL OVERLOAD as the Khorne Lord of Skulls. I award it 3 skulls out of 5.

i thought this will be a what if, now im not so sure, for what it heard this is a "im not kidding this will change anything" campain

I'm thinking about doing a page about The End Times, given that the shit is gaining momentum and there is some source material and many tropes about the story and characters behind it. What do you think?

Sounds like a good idea, Korvalus.

So what are you guys' feelinhs on The End Times wave II: Happy Fun Times with Papa Nurgle?

Okay, the page is up: Warhammer: The End Times!. It's merely a start, and lacks... well, a lot of stuff abd Topes that right now I can't do por time restraints, including the mentioned Characters page. But I'm missing something important...

Oh, yea. The page is about The End Times only. While a lot of tropes of it's parent game also apply, please note only the tropes regarded in the End times and the characters shown in the campaign. Thank you.

...I guess that must be in the article.

edited 24th Oct '14 4:02:43 AM by Korvalus

you should add anyone can die since oh boy chararter are dying left and right now, is oturight depresing

So apparently Tyrion has officially become the first Warhammer Fantasy Avatar of Khaine!

Watch as he gets murdered by some mid-tier Chaos Warrior scrub.

no only karl franz become and asendent, tecil show he is pretty much the bastard child of eldread and malekith becom e phenix king

There are some pretty heady rumors dropping in about what's going to happen after the End Times event is over.

Its discussed on Dakka Dakka here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/630016.page

The rumors can be summarized thusly:

• After End Times, Warhammer Fantasy Battle will undergo a major restructuring.
• There will be six factions. All existing factions will either be rolled into other factions or removed entirely.
• Each faction will have a small number of core units (3 seems to be the operative number).
• The core units will always be available.
• Other special units will have a limited model and rule release (6 months to a year seems to be the operative runtime).
• The lore will have a major advancement
  • The timeline advances hundreds of years
  • The land has been broken into bubbles of reality that sometimes collide with one another

Take from all of this what you will. I just figured spreading the news might be a good idea.

edited 14th Jan '15 7:17:37 AM by Zeromaeus

I think some of this is bull, to be honest.

I can see them going for a small-scale skirmish game. WHFB is a lot more expensive than 40k, and has a much smaller playerbase, so keeping the "big" rank-and-file battles is, in the long run, probably kind of expensive. Adding a component that allows for smaller games helps alleviate that a lot.

On the other hand, we've seen that Araloth and Lileath went off to a new world, with the fallen Grail Knights of Bretonnia becoming a new human pantheon, so I think they'll still keep the larger scale and just split the setting in two - a darker companion, similar to Warhammer 40k, and a more "standard" Fantasy Battles scheme.

As for the model release schedule...eh? I'm not sure it makes sense. They've already made these huge omni-factions in the End Times, I think it would make sense if they just homogenized some of the units instead to save shelf space (which is the reason for this change).

I mean, if they did this with the Host of the Eternity King you'd basically end up with one "full" Elf roster with one set of plastic kits instead of the three factions with three kits they've currently got.

edited 14th Jan '15 8:13:00 AM by math792d

A friend of mine online pointed out that while the plan is stupid enough to come from GW, the overall changes are huge, and GW are the guys who won't change the status quo even if it's about to run them over with a wheat thresher.

(I may be punching up the dialogue a little.)

So the End Times rules are hilarious if you're playing against Ogres or Lizardmen.

The two key changes are the fact that you roll 4d6 instead of 2d6 for magic, and the fact that if you cast a spell successfully, you can cast it again. In other words, if the Dice Gods are with you, you can cast multiple Purple Suns a turn.

Yo. Total War: Warhammer.

I was just about to post that.

Also: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY IMPERIAL SHILLING.