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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Konstruktor
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Perhaps. For sure, some of them could be expanded, as Weblinks Are Not Examples. There also might be some misuse going on, as (if I'm interpreting the trope correctly) Chainsaw Good covers chainsaws used as weapons, but that section shows non-weapon uses.
Is it just me or does this example from Occult Detective feel a little off? It's describing a conspiracy theorist, and I'm not sure how well it tackles the subject. To me, half of it reads like it's taking him at face value, while the other half mocks him with sarcasm. But maybe others take it differently.
- David Icke has made a career out of researching the British Royalty, the Trilateral Commission, the Council for Foreign Relations, and the Bilderberg Group. He concludes that the movers and shakers behind international banking and governments are in fact suffering-eating reptilians from another dimension. In his defense, no one has ever held the Baron de Rothschild down for long enough to take a DNA sample, and Mitch McConnell is the top Google result for the search term "Senator Turtle".
I just took a skim over the actual trope description itself and Googled Icke myself (as I've heard the name, but didn't know much else beyond "conspiracy theorist"). I agree that the example is way off though.
In fact, I'd actually be wondering if it's misuse - the trope description talks about detectives/other folks who investigate paranormal matters.
For a Real Life example, I could understand something like ghost hunters being listed, but including a conspiracy theorist (and a potential ROCEJ- violating one at that) is a huge stretch.
he/him
Down to the Last Play has a Real Life section with six folders for different types of sport.
The Real Life Troping policy has this statement:
- Sports that are not scripted are not tropable, period. They may be described in Useful Notes articles that talk about the rules of the game, identify important players and events, and list tropes frequently found in media featuring those sports, but tropes and Audience Reactions may not be applied to the sports and players themselves.
On that basis I'm not sure this needs to go to the crowner, but...
If we have a well-established policy that we don't trope RL sport and the scope of this particular trope means that the only examples (RL or otherwise) will be for sport... then it's already effectively NRLEP and the sport folders need to be cut, don't they?
i disagree with that policy though i get the spirit of it; imo to get the policy changed that would require a different thread
Chainsaw Good being 'too common' shouldn't be, especially since it's primarily about the usage of a chainsaw as a weapon, which... isn't usually done IRL for a variety of reasons. if it was 'lumberjacks have chainsaws!!' then that'd be different
about the Occult Detective, id keep it since icke and fellows believe himself to be an investigator; if 'thinks they are one' isnt enough, i am fine with it being removed
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
Lucas the Dreamer
Hijacked by Ganon (a narrative trope) has these two RL examples, the latter of which is an absolute landmine.
- It’s been speculated not only that Hamas’s ongoing attack on Israel is funded by Iran but that Iran are being given the money to do so by Vladimir Putin, in order to make America channel resources into supporting Israel, thereby leaving them with less resources to put into defending the Ukraine, thereby enabling Putin to continue his attempts to annex them with impunity.
Oh god that is definitely aWFUL.
Lucas the Dreamer
Should I go ahead and torch both?
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Oh yes.
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.
that trope needs to be NRLEP because it involves villains, right?
"T'u gadapmagazin imhat pimushikimp'alha. K'animhat t'u k'ak'ujvn kimkap'akilteĭmvmpüca."
Oh yes.
he/him
Villains and plot twists. Absolutely.
Am I a weirdo?
100% Hijacked by Ganon should be NRLEP.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
the Retromancer
It's a trope specifically about narrative, so RL is inapplicable.
Edited by Amonimus on May 12th 2024 at 9:24:29 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
he/him
Updated the pinned post to reference the well-established Real Life Troping policy on sports.
As with the other scenarios listed, if the only possible RL examples for some sports tropes are going to breach existing policy, we don't need a crowner to declare them NRLEP.
the Retromancer
Isn't AFatherToHisMen.Real Life too common?
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Lost in Space
Eurovision Song Contest came up in the mod chat because of concerns about troping current controversies. I took a look at it and... holy shit, it's a mess even if we ignore that people are shoehorning the Israel-Palestine conflict or the Ukraine war into it.
Even if we accept that a certain amount of fictionalization is part of the contest itself, such as playing up national rivalries, an overwhelming proportion of the examples are troping real people and events, which is simply not okay. Big Beautiful Woman applied to performers, for example, is not cool.
I believe that Eurovision is an ideal candidate for the Media Notes namespace, which would involve stripping it of all examples. Apparently, it also has Recaps, which are double-plus non-good.
Alternatively, we treat it like a quasi-fiction media article, such as a reality show, and trope only those elements that substantially fictionalize or "game-ify" the contest. In particular, any trope examples referencing real life politics (including Ban on Politics and any/all reference to RL controversies) need to go.
If this isn't cleaned up stat, it's getting the chainsaw by mod fiat.
Edited by Fighteer on May 13th 2024 at 9:50:28 AM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
the Retromancer
I've scrolled through the example list. The amount of examples that could be kept can be counted on a hand. So I support moving it to Media Notes/ and removing the entire list.
Edited by Amonimus on May 13th 2024 at 4:53:25 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
he/him
I'd personally favour discussion page posts as a first step. Let's give the people working on the pages a chance to get them cleaned up.
And if not, at least we were clear about the consequences.
Lost in Space
Seems like this thread is the best place to have the conversation about Eurovision, so taking it there.
Sexy Shirt Switch has a Real Life folder, but it’s Sex Trope, which are automatically NRLEP.
Edited by Rainbo6 on May 13th 2024 at 1:30:28 PM
I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO
Eats Babies is understandably NRLEP, but there's an item in the "Art" folder that I'm concerned about, since it relates to performance art rather than, say, a painting or sculpture. Folderizing due to the subject matter.
- Performance artist Zhu Yu used a fetus taken from a medical school and took photos of himself cooking and eating it as a statement on cannibalism in an October 17, 2000 performance "Eating People" or "Man-Eater", part of the "Fuck Off" art exhibit in Shanghai. This lead to a hoax that restaurants in Taiwan were regularly serving cooked fetuses, or that fetuses were being sold and cooked in China, with the photos as evidence. Zhu Yu admitted it tasted bad and vomited several times.
It's not as graphic as some of the other examples on the page, and I don't know that I'd say the problem is "morality"note , but it's still a bit more, um, real than I expected to find on an NRLEP page. Even if it was a sort of performance, it's still not exactly a "fictional" example, either. Should it be removed?
There is a documentary folder on the page as well, but thankfully that example is about dinosaurs ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
(she/her)
Well, I'd remove it on misuse alone because the trope isn't just "Bob eats babies"; it's "Bob is so evil that he eats babies". Not sure if that was the artist's intention.
Edited by MacronNotes on May 13th 2024 at 6:56:26 AM
Macron's notes
This is on Bad Guys Do the Dirty Work:
- Particularly heinous imprisoned criminals being killed by other inmates is often seen as this, most stereotypically with child molesters. The killing of Jeffrey Dahmer by Christopher Scarver is one famous example.
- Jonathan Watson saw himself as this in killing convicted child molesters David Bobb and Graham De Luis-Conti. Watson, already serving a life sentence for murder, had concluded he had nothing left to lose and that getting rid of them would be "do[ing] everybody a favour."
- Jonathan Watson saw himself as this in killing convicted child molesters David Bobb and Graham De Luis-Conti
This is a morality trope, right? Guess this goes on the NRLEP list. Also, is this a plot convinence trope too?
Edited by PlasmaPower on May 13th 2024 at 9:06:58 AM
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Am I a weirdo?
Yeah, that's another one that should obviously be NRLEP.
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Is Chainsaw Good too common? It came to my attention with This ROCEJ violating edit on it
(which has since been removed) but most of the rest of the examples are just weblinks.