Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
do we really need a crowner for a small section?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Yep. Them's the rules. We don't unilaterally decide a section can't have examples.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
that's weird. i've never had this before. is this some new rule?
Edited by namra on Apr 23rd 2024 at 10:06:22 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
No? It's always been the way this thread has worked. People have been suspended for doing it unilaterally before.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
uhh okay. nevermind. i guess i'll ask to be put on a crowner i guess. but i've seen other users do this before with little to no repercussion.
Edited by namra on Apr 23rd 2024 at 10:08:45 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Reverted the page and sent a notifier for unilateral changes. On the subject of unilateral changes, the reason the NRLEP and LRLEO indexes are locked is because of problems with unilateral additions, since, as previously mentioned, we need to decide whether to add those restrictions via crowner.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:55:36 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Is Awful Truth an NRLEP candidate? It's too YMMV (one person's awful truth is another's perfectly fine truth), people having this reaction is too common, and that first example is giving some Animal Wrongs Group vibes.
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Sounds reasonable. I personally favor making Awful Truth NRLEP. Let's see what everyone else thinks.
the Retromancer
Awful Truth can't be "too YMMV" because it's not YMMV at all in the first place. The first example can be rewritten slightly, so I'm not sure how much of an issue I see it as.
Edited by Amonimus on Apr 26th 2024 at 4:16:54 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Am I a weirdo?
I'd say delete the first example for being general (Awful Truths tend to be specific to the person who learns them) and clean up the example indentation on the third. I don't think it's necessary (or fitting with current policy) to make a trope NRLEP over one bad example.
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
while were on this topic, i think that the beforetimes need to NRLEP. it has only one example and is a covid shoehorn.
^^^ and ^^ agreed
^ we dont need to make something NLREP because it has a covid example
Edited by MsOranjeDiscoDancer on Apr 29th 2024 at 2:15:50 AM
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It can be removed if it's misuse; making it NRLEP over one example is definitely overreactive.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
In general, we're supposed to be prioritizing cleanup and saving example bans for when cleanup doesn't work. I agree with what WarJay said about this specific trope.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 29th 2024 at 5:48:12 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Goku Black
So Master Race which is suposed to be for evil empires has stuff like this
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- Koreans are the "cleanest race", but they're also child-like and guileless because they're so darn pure. This conveniently explains why they need a strong leader to protect them and why government censorship is necessary to preserve their innate innocence. The Americans and the Japanese are Always Chaotic Evil, of course. The Chinese are second best to the Koreans, but still not good enough for race-mixing. North Korean women who get pregnant from Chinese men are forced to have abortions, in order to avoid the "pure" Korean race being defiled. There are claims the government has began separating disabled people from the rest and or killing them, again to maintain "purity" for the race (which echoes Nazi policy).
- The Chinese Communist Party (and the nationalist [read:Jingoist] population) believes that the Han Chinese are superior to any race, and one that is destined by an ancient decree to rule the world, with them as the highest ruling caste. They view minorities (and those not of the Han) as inferiors treated as second class citizens and slaves at best, or as vermin that needed to be erased at worst. They are friends with Russia and North Korea, but simply view them as an honorary vassal (rather than as equals). Conversely, they view Taiwan as a separatist group and a race traitor for the gal of declaring themselves to be separate from the mainland, and has vowed to seize the island through force if necessary.
- Going hand in hand with the Paraguay entry above, Latin America struggle with downplayed examples of this tropes. While nowhere as bad as the Nazis and other modern example, the Caucasian man (especially those of origin from the Iberian peninsula) is top of the traditional hierarchy in former Hispanic and Luso colonies and people of various admixtures with white people taking up different levels of social strata based on their purity,skin color, and facial features with those mestizos closer to pure European being placed higher on the ladder. There were multiple attempts at "blanquemento" policies across the continent where government officials tried to bring in new immigrants from Europe and North America to make the already relatively caucasoid castia class even more pure and to whitify the wide mostly dark skinned and indigenous or negroid general populace by interbreeding in hopes of making nations eventually replaced by white passing mestizos
These entries also clash with the actual trope description.
Does not apply to races or cultures who think they're superior but have no interest in conquering the outside world. The Master Race wants to master the rest of the world, not be apart from it. They may already be served by a Slave Race, Servant Race, or Henchmen Race, though some extreme examples are too xenophobic even for that. Compare and contrast the Absolute Xenophobe, who skips the "mastering" part and goes straight for extermination.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Now that we're here, yeah, the section needs some serious cleanup at minimum.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Goku Black
Hoenstly since trope describes evil empires in genral. It imo shouldn't have real life examples at all.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
id prefer actual usages and attempts, like how nazi germany obsessed over 'master race' garbage and eugenics was a thing
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It may be misuse, though.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Nazi Germany was the Trope Codifier so I don't think it would be misuse in that instance.
Edited by stankykong on May 1st 2024 at 3:12:28 PM
since hopeless war is nrlep, shouldn't forever war be one as well?
Edited by namra on Apr 30th 2024 at 2:41:56 AM
Goku Black
But this is about evil empires in general?
normally im all for preserving IRL stuff, but — and i say this as no fan of zionism — the "ancient Jews were turbo supremacists who hated Jesus because he let non-Jews in" really smacks of anti-semitism. yes, jewish racism and supremacistism exists but this is over the top.
ill open an ATT thread on that
hail, holy queen of the sea, you're whirling-in-rags, you're vast and you're sad
That's fair. As for the Master Race page, I'm fine with leaving it as-is or making it No Recent Examples since by the current definition there hasn't been a culture that's seriously enforced this since WWII. Uchuu Flamenco made a good point regarding this in the above thread that real life examples are meant to give a trope context and in the case of a trope named after a real life ideology, it's useful to contextualize the history of the term under Nazism and precursors that inspired Nazism.
Edited by stankykong on Apr 30th 2024 at 5:44:53 AM
That's fine, but that's again for a crowner to decide.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness