Which namespace does this work belong in?

I like that, that's a good start to that page.

Sure, we migth want to make it into a proper Administrivia page later. What about Administrivia.Namespace Map

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So, how do we namespace animation which is neither Western Animation or Anime? They all used to be indexed in Eastern Animation (before it got split), which was used as a catchall for anything that is not from the west or east Asia.

edited 28th Feb '12 3:44:15 PM by Oreochan

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Is Eastern European Animation really that distinct from American and Western European animation stylistically? If not, we could put it into Western Animation.

If we only distinguish between Japanese/Far Eastern animation and the rest, it would be justified to count animation from Eastern Europe as "Western Animation".

Let's just say and leave it at that.

I don't think they are that different significantly, so maybe Western Animation and Eastern European Animation can share the same namespace. So, we are left with Asian Animation,Animated Shows (index for animation that is not covered by other indices like African animation) and Korean Animation.

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:42:48 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."

Stylistically, Eastern European and Western Animation aren't too different, but there are discernible differences. Russian animated shows are a lot smoother and flowy than Western ones. I wouldn't be opposed to them sharing one namespace though. Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to ALL animation under an animation namespace, and I'm a huge manga and anime fan, but that's not likely to go over well.

So under Animation at the moment we have:

• Western Animation
• Eastern European Animation
• Asian Animation
  • Anime
  • Korean Animation (what is currently now Han-guk Manhwa Aenimeisyeon)
• Animated Shows

There's also Web Animation and Stick Figure Animation on the Animated Shows page. I like the idea of keeping Web Animation, but not sure about Stick Figure Animation...

The new proposal would lump together Western Animation and Eastern European Animation, but differentiate Korean animation from the rest? I don't understand.

edited 22nd Feb '12 8:55:57 AM by Autumncomet

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If we go by the "style by animation" criterion, then probably Korean and Chinese animation would have to go to Anime/ and all the rest on Animated Show to WesternAnimation/.

Of course, I don't know how flexible the term "Anime" is, or whether we would hurt some patriotic feelings if we lump Korean and Chinese animation under "Anime", or African animation under "Western Animation" namespace-wise.

As for the WesternAnimation/ namespace — we also disregard that Western Animation is in itself quite heterogenous — obviously we lump 2D and 3D animation together, for example. But that seems to have been the case from the beginning of the namespaces (even though a "3DAnimation/" namespace would make sense, stylistically).

edited 22nd Feb '12 9:04:57 AM by LordGro

Let's just say and leave it at that.

I'm not sure if Korean and Chinese animation should be in Anime/. But if we do, where does Middle Eastern animation,South Asian animation and the others go?

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Anime is specifically stuff from Japan. It uses very different tropes most of the time than Western Animation, and has a lot in common with Korean Animation (but not enough for them to be lumped together).

The Animated Shows index has 2 shows on there, a Brazilian one and a Kenyan one. You might make a case for lumping the Brazilian one with Western Animation, but I don't think the Kenyan one would fit quite as well. They're both not on a namespace right now.

Frankly, I don't think we can get away with anything other than Anime in the Anime/ namespace. We could just stick the Chinese animation under AsianAnimation/ until there are enough to make a namespace, like was done with Korean Animation. We could move the Anime and Korean stuff to the Asian Animation namespace.

South Asian, Middle Eastern animation, etc. might work best under AnimatedShows/. If they become large enough for a namespace, then they'll get a namespace.

I think African animation should stay under AnimatedShows/ until it gets large enough for its own namespace. Now that I think about it more, Eastern European Animation just might be large and distinct enough for its own namespace. If we keep Anime and KoreanAnimation, then it makes sense to keep EasternEuropeanAnimation.

edited 22nd Feb '12 9:18:16 AM by Autumncomet

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So we should have an Animated Shows/ and Asian Animation/ namespaces? I guess that can work.

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."

Well, I don't know enough about animation (in fact, I know little about it), so I can't really be of help.— But I suppose there are two basic options for defining namespaces for animation:

• By country (or region) of origin
• By style of animation

Or, as a third option, to not decide categorically for either principle, but to accept the already existing namespaces on the wiki as a basis and pragmatically create new namespaces as the need arises.

Let's just say and leave it at that.

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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:01:53 PM by Jicragg

We should have a namespace for Toys/. Ideally, the only thing that should be in Main is tropes, supertropes, indexes and fanspeak definition pages. Make one for Toys/.

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Should we have a namespace for mythology, oral traditions and folklore as well?

edited 8th Mar '12 8:38:10 AM by Oreochan

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Shouldn't hubs for multimedia franchises also be on Main, with particulars shunted to the appropriate media namespace for specifics on particular adaptations?

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Well, yes, disambigs and hubs.

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That's what was done for Yu Gi Oh. There's also a Franchise Index for this sort of thing.

edited 8th Mar '12 11:51:29 AM by Autumncomet

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@39: I think there was a discussion about that several months ago, and it was decided that those belonged in the Literature/ namespace. Oral traditions are often called oral literature, and written forms are also pretty clearly literature. Having a separate namespace for myth, etc., would also potentially create confusion about where works like the Iliad or the Metamorphoses should go.

edited 8th Mar '12 12:34:11 PM by Nocturna

@Oreochan and : The thread was here. I was the guy that argued for putting fairy tales into Literature/ (my reasoning).

I assumed that eventually all the "X Mythology" (Classical Mythology, Norse Mythology, etc) should go to Useful Notes/. They are not really works.

But I admit that there are several types of pages on the Oral Tradition index where I'm not sure where they would fit. Figures of folklore (Robin Hood) and creatures of folklore (Youkai) come to mind.

Let's just say and leave it at that.

Plus, Oral Tradition is a medium whereas Mythology is a genre using multiple media, including Theatre. I started a TRS thread to try to split the genre and medium into separate pages, but currently it's going nowhere.

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I made a list on my Sandbox.Media Namespaces Reference of work types that, to my knowledge, have no namespace assigned yet.

If I'm wrong and some of these work types already have a namespace decision, please say so. Or simply edit the sandbox draft. The list:

edited 10th Mar '12 6:45:46 AM by LordGro

Let's just say and leave it at that.

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edited 23rd Jul '17 3:02:05 PM by Jicragg

Maybe just a People/ namespace?

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Yes, a /People/ namespace would make sense. We would need a /Creators/ namespace too, since not all creators are people.

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I think Creator/ makes more sense than People/. (It would be Person/ anyway, since namespaces are singular.) Any person who isn't a Creator is going to fall under Useful Notes.

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