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  • Broken Base:
    • The first arc is very Wally-centric, bringing in a former Flash villain as its Big Bad, and making Linda Park a secondary protagonist. Wally fans are happy that he's finally getting some focus after having been gone for so many years, while others are disappointed that the other members of the team are merely Satellite Characters in what was supposed to be a team book. Other, non-Wally fans accept that he gets a bit too much focus, but also that he's probably the character selling the series.
    • The handling of Wally/Linda, namely that they're starting fresh with Wally still remembering his life with Linda pre-Flashpoint. Newer readers who are unfamiliar with their history are glad they get to see it develop again. Older readers who read Wally's run as the Flash are against it, because it's doubtful that Abnett will be able to develop the relationship as well as Mark Waid had done, as Titans is a team-book that has already been criticized for focusing too much on Wally, while also having to tie-in with the Watchmen Myth Arc. And then there are just those who hate that all their history was flushed down the toilet. Others see it as a case of DC having their cake and eating it too, because having his Pre-Flashpoint memories is central to Wally's character by this point, and merely using him as a mouthpiece and plot-device to fix their mistake, then writing a plot where he has to get over them, is seen as more than a little cheap. Then there are those who just think the relationship has been ruined, because Wally's pre-Flashpoint memories of Linda and his projecting these feelings onto this new Linda taints and over-complicates their relationship. What makes matters worse is that Superman Reborn had the Pre-Flashpoint and New 52 versions of Clark and Lois fuse together, and some are wondering why the same couldn't be done with Wally and Linda.
      • Wally's treatment after the initial arc is overall found to be disappointing by fans. As expected of a team book, the focus eventually shifted from Wally, but his arc didn't answer any important questions regarding his status quo in the DCU. He was completely isolated in Titans Tower, to the point where he was kept out of important events like "The Button" and Metal, and he wasn't even allowed to reunite with his aunt Iris West. Everything reached a boiling point during The Lazarus Contract, where Wally was shown Out of Character when he ran away from Slade and ended up with a pacemaker after getting his heart stopped by Damian Wayne. Fans were very vocal about their distaste about this development, especially irritated by the lack of consequences on Damian's side regarding the situation. Some fans went as far as to state that the development was done to Nerf Wally's powers so Barry Allen could stay the number one speedster in DCU. And as if those developments weren't enough, Wally was pointlessly pushed into a relationship with Donna Troy and nothing came out of it. It seems DC heard the complaints; Wally's heart issues were rushed to conclusion and completely ignored right after and Joshua Williamson announced that Wally's story would continue in Flash arc Flash War, independent from Titans.
    • Nightwing's handling has gotten this reception. Some find him to be too much of a Satellite Character, with his role as The Heart given to Wally and having little to do outside of being the Team Dad. Others feel he gets the amount of focus he should, as he's the only character with his own solo series.
    • The reception of the first Annual issue very mixed.
      • On the negative side, some feel Bruce, Diana, and Arthur were written out of character holding the jerkass and idiot balls, to make the Titans look better, with Nightwing realizing Wonder Woman's lasso is missing before her, Woman Woman acting dismissive and hostile to Donna, Diana being one of the most aggressive of the League when compassion is her defining trait, Arthur arrogantly and irrationally making himself leader, and Bruce trying to force everyone to do what he says. It even goes to the point of flat out saying that the Titans are friends and the League is just basically work, which is something many fans didn't take kindly to and is honestly just false as the League has shown to be genuine friends many times. It's made worse by the fact this is said by Wally who has actually been apart of the League before. It doesn't help that Abnett also writes Aquaman's current ongoing series, where Arthur is much more rational and cordial, making it feel like he wrote him intentionally out of character to fit the story. Also, the Donna Troy thing (see They Changed It, Now It Sucks! below)
      • On the plus side, fans were pretty happy with the portrayal of the Flashes, with them having a heartwarming friendship and playing well off each other without feeling like the same character. It helps that Barry and Wally were the only two not passing around the Conflict Ball, as they actually worked together instantly.
    • While Roy Harper gets some Character Rerailment regarding his drug use and no longer being a hillbilly, he's written instead as a cliched Frat Bro rather than his traditional depiction as a moody but loyal alt-rocker. The new costume also doesn't help.
      • Speaking of Roy, fans haven't been happy about the most recent arc beginning at #19 since it features his reunion with Cheshire and the solicits hyping up that he, once again, relapses into his drug addiction. While some readers are hoping Cheshire's reappearance is going to lead to Lian Harper's Rebirth debut, others are sick of another rehashing of Roy's Dating Catwoman drama with her alongside how sick they are that DC is once again doing another story about his drug addiction.
  • Character Rerailment:
    • Roy Harper is being written similarly to his pre-New 52 version, as a more stable person who has conquered a heroin addiction and is looking to turn over a new leaf, as opposed to being a needy and emotionally dependent Adult Child in Red Hood and the Outlaws. The only thing missing is his daughter Lian.
    • Donna Troy is no longer a genocidal, man-hating murderer. Instead, she has a much more down-to-earth, compassionate and motherly personality, similar to how she was previously written.
    • Wally. As in the idea of what Wally West should be. By making the New 52 Wally his own separate character, while bringing back the original Wally, it's essentially DC's way of rerailing Wally without undoing any progress made to New 52 Wally.
  • Growing the Beard: Starting with issue #7, the book takes a more team-focused approach and begins fleshing out the relationships between the different members.
  • Older Than They Think: Wally zapping the Titans to restore their memories? Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics) did the same exact thing with its Continuity Reboot.
  • Ship-to-Ship Combat: If the cover to ''Titans'' #13 is any indication, expect one to break out between shippers of Roy/Donna, Wally/Donna, and Wally/Linda. The most vocal are the Wally/Linda fans, who are not amused, given their relationship already got shafted in a rather cheap and hypocritical way.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks! / It's the Same, Now It Sucks!: Donna Troy, namely that her past hasn't been retconned, and she was still an evil clay version of Wonder Woman who hates men. A lot of people were completely happy with the idea of Abnett starting fresh with the character, given that her New 52 incarnation was not liked. Instead, her entire life is based on false memories given to her by the Amazons, which comes off as more than a little insulting given that Wonder Woman and the Amazons highly value truth! You can tell by the bit where Wonder Woman has a friggin' lasso that channels the concept! Not only that, but there's just the matter of how it works, given that the New 52 Amazons, including those that created Donna, were revealed to be an illusion in Wonder Woman (Rebirth)! This, combined with the Annual, gives off the vibe that Dan Abnett just doesn't care to do research about Wonder Woman (the last point was established in the first arc of her Rebirth series for crying out loud!). And of course, there are others are who are just sick of Donna's Continuity Snarl and would've preferred that Abnett fixed the New 52 version without retconning her history like he did or just follow through with the Silver Age origin.
    • Fans were overjoyed to see this team back together after their friendship had been Retgoned by the New 52, while turning half of them into villainous versions. So they were not thrilled when the team was quickly broken up again by basically Chew Toy level events outside of the series. Specifically, Wally accidentally killing Roy and getting jailed in Heroes in Crisis, Nightwing getting shot in the head and becoming Ric Grayson, Garth having to leave due to issues in Atlantis, and Donna being Jokerized by Batman Who Laughs in DC Year of the Villain. It was slightly mitigated by Fan favorite Green Lantern Kyle Rayner joining the book and Donna was eventually cured but it was as if writers were willfully pissing all over the idea of the book and Dc Rebirth as a whole.
  • Too Bleak, Stopped Caring: Some have come to feel this way about Abnett's handling of Wally. From the removal of his relationship with Linda, which defined him for pretty much his entire adult life, to the guy having zero life outside of his superheroics, to Wally being fitted with a pacemaker via a time-travelling Idiot Ball, Wally's entire life seems to be constant misery. Comparisons to Daredevil have even come up. Abnett has outright stated that he aims to take away everything that defines Wally in an attempt to deconstruct him, leading to many people just not caring and hoping that Geoff Johns will handle him better in his Rebirth saga which obviously takes priority and has Wally as a key player.
  • What the Hell, Costuming Department?: Roy Harper finally gets rid of his trucker hat and hillbilly outfit for... a backwards cap and wraparound sunglasses, making him look like a 90s teen.
  • Win Back the Crowd: After some notorious missteps in the The New 52, DC has been trying to revitalize the Teen Titans franchise, which includes an effort to bring the Titans back into widescale prominence in-universe, with the company going so far as to dedicate one of the final non-Rebirth issue of Comicbook/Justice League, the cornerstone title of the New 52, as a tie-in to the first Titans issue.

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