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  • Accidental Aesop:
    • The Lucky Charm for every akuma is the same, even if the heroes have many times defeated the akuma in a completely different manner than in canon due to Marinette not being around to come up with an idea. Moreover, in such cases, the heroes often defeat the akuma just by throwing the Lucky Charm at them or hitting them with it, showing that simple, straightforward solutions can sometimes work just as well as more complex and creative ones.
    • Chloé seemingly succeeds in getting her father to fire Roger in "Rogercop"; when she tries to threaten Roger's job a second time, though, it fails since Roger and Sabrina looked into things and found out that the mayor doesn't actually have the authority to do that. Similarly, when Chloé railroads Mayor Bourgeois into preventing Clara Nightingale from shooting a music video due to missing a permit, Sabrina quickly shuts his attempt down by correctly deducing that the mayor must've made it up if he only just now discovered the missing permit when his office is supposedly closed. Both these instances can be lessons about how everyday civilians need to remain vigilant and informed about the boundaries of public officials' authority to prevent them from abusing their power.
  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • After demanding that Sabrina surrender her bag to be searched in "Rogercop," Chloé gets said bag thrown directly at her face. Was Sabrina unaware of what she was doing due to spiraling after seeing her "best friend" get Sabrina's father fired right in front of her? Or was she trying to get back at Chloé for the betrayal?
    • Unlike in the show, the comic's version of "Rogercop" has Marinette dump out her bag's contents in front of Chloé to prove the bracelet isn't in there; Word of God explains that Marinette only agreed to this because Sabrina had given up her bag to be searched first as Marinette canonically consented to her bag being searched on the condition that the other suspects do the same so that everyone is treated fairly. Chloé, however, simply resorts to Moving the Goalposts by demanding Marinette empty her pockets, too, which the latter immediately complains about, and the former is later seen trying to get Rogercop to arrest Marinette for theft. Did Marinette refuse to empty her pockets because nobody else was asked to do so, which Chloé took as proof of Marinette's guilt? Or did Marinette comply, only for Chloé to go with the I Reject Your Reality route and remain convinced that Marinette had stolen her bracelet?
    • Nathaniel calls out Chloé for accusing Marinette in "Rogercop" before adding, "And Sabrina?!" Was he mainly angered on Marinette's behalf (he likely already has a crush on her by this point) and only mentioned Sabrina as an afterthought, or was he just as disgusted by how Chloé had treated her "best friend"?
    • Did Scarlet Lady purposely lead the titular akuma to where Chat Noir had hidden Marinette in "La Befana"? Or did it happen by chance while she was fleeing the akuma?
    • Tikki breaks down in tears and hugs Plagg at the beginning of "Riposte" after Pollen identifies Marinette as her holder by simply pointing to the latter. Was this out of frustration that her rightful owner Marinette has been given a Kwami other than herself, that Pollen found a loophole to being unable to say her holder's name so easily and seemingly on accident, or both?
    • In "Princess Fragrance," is Tikki groaning because of her sickness or is she groaning because Marinette assumes Chloé stole her rather than her being Scarlet Lady?
    • From the same episode, is Rose dating both Juleka and Ali at the end a result of Rose being too innocent to see the implications and neither minding? Or is Rose a Covert Pervert who fully knows what she is doing?
    • When André the ice cream man declares his ice cream can unite people with their true loves, like Luka's parents, Luka's face turns red as he heatedly retorts, "I don't have a papa." Was this because he still held some resentment that Jagged wasn't around when he was growing up (he doesn't seem to hold any ill will against his father later in the comic, though)? Or was Luka madder at the implication that his family is "abnormal" because his mom's a single parent?
    • During "Prime Queen," when Scarlet Lady refuses to save Alya while all of Paris is watching, did she admit her callousness because she forgot or didn't realize everyone would witness it? Or was she aware of it and simply assumed that all of Paris would share her opinion on what would need to be done?
    • Why does Mme. Bustier blatantly favor Chloé so much? Does she legitimately see Chloé as being "unfairly isolated" from the rest of the class without recognizing how her bullying behavior and selfishness are responsible for said isolation? Does she understand that Chloé herself is responsible for her being Hated by All, but still sympathize with the girl out of her belief that Chloé simply doesn't know what it's like to be loved? Or do her Skewed Priorities lie more with maintaining an illusion of harmony and "being the nice teacher"?
    • Was Chloé screwing with everyone at the ice rink in "Frozer" purely because she was trying to get the place closed down so that she could have a gym built there? Or was she doing it as revenge for everyone shipping Marinette with Adrien and being excited over them going on a date? For that matter, was her trying to get the rink shut down solely because she wanted to stop the date?
    • In "Queen Wasp," when Zoé is trying to convince Chloé to quit being Scarlet Lady to "prove" to Paris how much it needs her, did they genuinely believe their words? Or was it an attempt to get Chloé to give up her Miraculous without a fight via spinning it in a way that she would like? While it's easy to assume the latter, Zoé never really got a chance to see Scarlet Lady in action since Marigold quickly took over in the fight against Malediktator and then curb-stomped Style Queen before Scarlet Lady had a chance to really do anything. For all they know, Chloé could have actually been a decent hero and the city is only turning on her due to her attitude. Then again, "Malediktator" ended with Zoé finding and reading the exposé Alya wrote on Scarlet Lady, so there's ample reason to believe they do know about Scarlet Lady's competence (or lack thereof) as a heroine.
    • When Zoé is calling out Mlle Bustier over her teaching methods related to Chloé's bullying, the rest of the class is watching with tears in their eyes. Are they crying because of how much Zoé cares about them to the point where she's willing to stand up to their teacher? Or at they Tears of Joy because there's nothing Bustier can do about the call out?
  • Broken Base:
    • There's a slight one regarding the author's stated intention not to give Chloé a redemption arc. While most readers have long since accepted it, there's still a number of Chloé fans who are clamoring for a redemption arc for her and thus make their displeasure with the writer's plans known.
    • In conjunction with the above is the author's decision to give Lila a redemption arc. Detractors think that the idea of giving Lila (a Hate Sink in canon) a redemption arc over the comparatively-more sympathetic Chloé is a case of blatant hypocrisy and favoritism; supporters argue that the redemption arc was actually well-executed (especially considering the differing circumstances from canon that make Lila far more sympathetic here) and point out that it happened early enough that Lila didn't get a chance to spiral into her worst traits.
  • Catharsis Factor:
    • Any time Chloé faces consequences for her actions counts, especially if she was a Karma Houdini in the same situation in canon, but certain moments deserve special mention:
      • Sabrina nearly starts a fist-fight with her in "Evillustrator"after giving a "The Reason You Suck" Speech. Then, in the following episode, she ends her toxic friendship with Chloé for good.
      • Given how much Chloé likes invoking her father's name to get her way, it's quite satisfying when she gets an overdue wake up call in "Captain Hardrock" that her father's not an Ultimate Authority Mayor: her attempt to threaten Officer Raincomprix's job like she did back in "Rogercop" falls flat when he informs her that the mayor doesn't actually have the power to fire him.
      • After all her selfishness and delusions of being beloved, it's very gratifying to see Chloé realize just how Hated by All she is after she reveals herself as Scarlet Lady.
    • In spite of her own cruel actions, Chloé saying she no longer cares about what her mother, whose neglect and emotional abuse turned her into what she is today, thinks is very cathartic.
  • Crack Pairing: In "Despair Bear," Aurore is attracted to Kagami. The author says in the end tags, "don't mind me casually setting up a total crack ship here lol."
  • Crosses the Line Twice:
    • Being kidnapped by an akuma isn't funny, especially if they've trapped you in a phantom world that makes you invisible, intangible, and inaudible to everyone else. Doubly so if you realize dying of starvation and thirst is a serious possibility and that, as far as you know, nobody else can free you from your situation. Having all of the above happen to Chloé, who still desperately tells people to pay attention to her despite being told they can't see or hear her, crosses straight into funny.
    • Normally someone using the Miraculous to torment someone while ignoring the actual supervillain would be utterly unforgivable and selfish. Adrien using the Snake Miraculous (whose power lets him essentially reset after each karmic release so there is no long-term damage) to torment Scar in various ways as stress relief goes from that to hilarious and cathartic.
    • Massive property damage? Not funny. Massive property involving beloved monuments like the Eiffel Tower? Tragic. Damage to beloved monuments due to the heroes carelessly using their powers? Horrific. The heroes casually destroying the Eiffel Tower to get the attention of Scarlet Lady while she's sunbathing, far away from of the chaos? Hilarious.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
  • Fanon: The episode "Vanisher" introduces a plot-saving new power for Tikki: she can do the "cleansing spell" on her own for another person without either her holder being present or a Lucky Charm object being thrown into the air. In fact, a Lucky Charm by herself would go out of control and produce unlimited objects. This idea has a basis in canon because when Plagg did a Cataclysm without his holder in "Style Queen," it caused out-of-control destruction. There turns out to be "a consequence for using the Miraculous Cure, but it's less obstructive than Lucky Charm." Namely, Tikki can eat the akuma butterfly and then spit out a huge quantity of magic ladybugs, enough that the hotel is full to its bursting point and the heroes are pressed against the glass windows. It also causes her to feel unwell afterwards, ready to throw up another "red spotted mess" if she is disturbed. Many ladybugs remain all over the inside of the hotel afterwards rather than magically disappear once their work is done.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • This comic decided to explain Théo's crush on Ladybug by revealing he's actually around Marinette's age. Fast forward six months or so in real life, and Thomas Astruc confirmed that Théo is actually about 16-18.
    • The author's blog is called zoe-oneesama. As of Season 4, it turns out that Chloé has a half-sister named Zoé. In other words, Chloé is Zoé's onee-sama.
    • Page 2 of "Anansi" features a reference to the "Will Smith showing off his wife" meme. While it was drawn months prior, it ended up posted the day after the 94th Academy Awards ceremony, where another instance of Smith's love for his wife went memetic.
    • The Love Square has been reversed here, with Adrien having feelings for Marinette while she in turn has feelings for Chat Noir. Starting in Season 5 of the TV show, Adrien abandons his series-long crush on Ladybug and develops feelings for Marinette while Marinette decides to abandon her interest in Adrien and realizes she has fallen in love with Chat Noir.
    • In the webcomic's adaptation of "Zombizou," Marinette delivers a rather scathing "The Reason You Suck" Speech to Mme. Bustier for suggesting that the former should forgive Chloé, calling the teacher out for enabling Chloé and expecting her to change despite constantly shielding her from the consequences of her actions. A few days later, the episode "Revelation" would drop, and Marinette would deliver an eerily similar speech to Mme. Bustier when the teacher refused to discipline Chloé despite learning that the latter has been forcing Sabrina to do all her homework for years.
  • Jerkass Woobie:
    • André Bourgeois is a Sleazy Politician who's largely responsible for Chloé being a Spoiled Brat. Nevertheless, it's clear that he does this out of love for his daughter, who in turn takes her father completely for granted. For instance, she sees in "Rogercop" just how broken up he was over her apparent death; yet once she arrives at city hall in her civilian identity, Chloé completely ignores him in favor of her purse and bracelet. When he invites her to watch a film he directed with him in "Gorizilla," she callously declines while slamming the door in his face without even sparing him a glance. She also barely shows any gratitude when her father gets the ice rink shutdown in "Frozer" like she wanted.
    • While Lila's still introduced as a Manipulative Bitch, she didn't deserve the revenge attack Scarlet dealt to her, which went way further than Ladybug simply calling her out on it in canon. The fact that she catches a cold because of Scarlet Lady's actions makes her even more sympathetic.
    • Tomoe Tsurugi is revealed to be this when she reveals that the reason she doesn't want Kagami to have friends is because her own friends abandoned her when she went blind. While it doesn't excuse her smothering behavior, it does explain why she acts the way she does and paints her motive in a more sympathetic light than what the show has provided.
    • There's no denying that Chloé's a nasty Spoiled Brat; the woobie part comes in because, unlike in canon, it's fully acknowledged that she has a Freudian Excuse (namely, her mother's neglect and the other adults in her life enabling her bad behavior) that made her turn out like this. Underneath all that nastiness is a girl who's desperate for positive attention and companionship but can't understand what that is—or that it's her own fault that all her bridges have been burned.
  • Launcher of a Thousand Ships: Marinette gets a lot of positive attention, perhaps moreso than in canon. On top of her Two-Person Love Triangle with Adrien and Chat Noir (with her personally leaning towards the latter), Théo ends "Copycat" with a crush on her after Scarlet Lady showed her true colors; remembering Nino used to have a crush on her in canon makes some moments of them interacting sweet; she has brief Les Yay Ship Tease with Alya over Alya standing up to Chloé on Marinette's behalf and Juleka for "breaking her picture curse"; Luka is told about her help by Juleka and seems to have a positive response (with him later crushing on her for real); Nathaniel still has his canon crush on her; and judging by her bonding with these two former canonical bullies, she even has some moments with Volpina/Lila over their mutual hatred of Scarlet Lady while also helping Sabrina cope with her failing friendship with Chloé. She also finds Kagami cute just like Adrien does and going off Kagami blushing around Marinette twice, she feels the same.
  • Les Yay:
    • Alya blushes in "Stormy Weather" when she realizes that the things Marinette likes about Adrien (gorgeous, stood up to Chloé) also apply to her.
    • Sabrina and Chloé's relationship has hints of this. After Sabrina ends her friendship with the latter, Alix asks her, "Yo, Sabrina! How's the 'single' life treating you?"
    • "Riposte" has plenty of Kagaminette teasing:
      • When Kagami removes her mask, both Adrien and Marinette think she's cute.
      • Once Kagami is healed, she starts blushing when Marigold tells her to wait for Marinette before leaving, though since no names were exchanged when she briefly spoke to Marinette before, Kagami is probably blushing at the costumed cutie in front of her instead.
      • Kagami gets a bigger blush when Marinette hugs both her and Adrien in relief that they're alright before Marinette has even given her name.
    • In "Captain Hardrock," Rose flat-out announces to the world she's dating Juleka by working it into the song's lyrics.
    • After being struck with one of Dark Cupid's arrows, Alya insults Marinette and runs off laughing mockingly, to which Marinette responds that she'll ignore the slight because, quote, "[Alya] look[s] good in black lipstick!"
    • In "Despair Bear," Aurore sees Kagami in a rather nice dress, gains a massive Crush Blush, and starts drooling.
    • In "Glaciator," Kagami marches up to André's ice cream cart and begins to furiously question both his health standards and the truth of his "magic matchmaking" ice cream. André hands her a Marigold cone special to distract her, and Kagami immediately about-faces and claims to believe in the magic now that it says she might have a chance with Marigold.
    • "Ikari Gozen" not only drops any canon tensions regarding the Marinette and Kagami teaming up, but when they greet each other, each has a heart floating around her. They also link arms as they walk off together.
    • The writer has confirmed that Kagami does indeed have a crush on Marigold (though it's not quite love yet).
    • After Sabrina transforms into a zombie in "Zombziou," she lunges at and begins kissing Lila, who promptly yells, "Sabrina! Stop smearing your lip gloss all over me! Now's not the time to realize how amazing I am!"
    • Sabrina and Lila get another moment in "Frightningale" when, after Sabrina gushes about how talented Lila is and how she should totally play Marigold, Lila compliments her back and causes Sabrina to start blushing.
    • Marinette sees Kagami at the auditions in "Frightningale" and asks why she's there when she's normally not interested in this sort of thing. Kagami explains Aurore invited her and declares her to be "cute"; Aurore even sparkles as she looks at Kagami.
  • Memetic Mutation: Chloé redemption arc when? Explanation
  • Misaimed Fandom: There are still readers who jump into Scarlet Lady assuming it's going to be a Chloé redemption story and promptly complain when they discover they're wrong, even though the author has stated repeatedly that she won't be getting a redemption arc.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Chloé/Scarlet Lady crosses it in "The Gamer" when she knowingly aids the titular akuma's attempts to kill Marinette simply because Marinette was hanging out with Adrien. This is the moment she crosses the line from petty and selfish to outright evil, and she only gets worse from there.
      • "Hawkmoth" becomes the moment where Chloé shows she has neither the chance nor the intent to redeem herself: when Ladybug takes Queen Wasp's amok, Blue Blood (Chloé as the Peacock Miraculous user) destroys Queen Wasp without hesitation, even though she was clearly sentient.
    • Bob Roth crosses this in "Crocoduel" when it's revealed he's the reason Anarka and Jagged split due to him faking Dear John Letters to break them up because Anarka was pregnant and Bob didn't want to lose the money he was making from Jagged. Not only did he ruin a relationship that left both parties embittered since the split, but he also denied Juleka and Luka a father for most of their life. All because of his greed.
    • Throughout the whole series, Gabriel repeatedly demonstrates just how little he cares for the lives of others, seeing them as nothing more than a means to his own selfish ends. His final scheme in Heroes' Day has him blatantly refer to former akumas by their names and addressing them as though they are nothing more than his PROPERTY, but the line is well and truly crossed when Catalyst reveals that she'd tried talking him out of risking Chloé's life by giving her the damaged Peacock Miraculous to no avail.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • While she's more of a Base-Breaking Character (in the show), plenty of Lila's detractors find her much better utilized in this story. Unlike in canon, where she fills a largely superfluous role identical to Chloé thanks to the latter's Redemption Rejection, relies heavily on plot contrivances to succeed, and only really exists to make whatever plot needs to go forward go forward, this Lila is more liked for being a fallible and realistic teenager who can stand on her own two feet, act as a genuine supporting character in her own right with plotlines like her budding friendship with Alix and Sabrina, and has her victories feel earned and natural.
    • Similarly, Zoé was also more of a Base-Breaking Character than The Scrappy in the original show. Nevertheless, some fans find that she is much better written in Scarlet Lady due to the depth she's been given. Her subplot about her faking her personality in order to fit in with her family is given more focus instead of being a one-off episode, there is more spotlight to the tragedy of her situation in how she tries to get their mother to actually be a parent to both her and Chloé, and she is also given more heartwarming, sisterly moments with Chloé, to the point she shows how much she loves Chloé by confronting their mother, telling her off for all her terrible parenting, and stating she intends to stay in Paris for Chloé's sake rather than leave out of convenience like their mother.
  • Strawman Has a Point:
    • Alya deciding to go through Marinette's locker in "Lady Wifi" to look for evidence that the latter is Scarlet Lady is supposed to be a case of Alya being impulsive and disrespectful of her friend's privacy, with Nino lamenting that he's going to have to bail Alya out of jail one day. However, she explicitly justifies her decision by pointing out that she and Marinette exchanged locker combinations, which implies that they both already have permission to look inside the other's locker.
    • In "Timebreaker," the story treats Nadja as being nasty and entitled for getting angry when she arrives twenty minutes early to collect her cake and then calls Marinette's parents to complain, interrupting their anniversary in the process. While it doesn't excuse her demanding she be given her cake ahead of the scheduled time just because she arrives early, she finds the bakery completely empty when she gets there, and whether you assume she ordered the cake in advance or that very day, she has genuine further reason to be alarmed. If she ordered in advance, then Tom and Sabine must have agreed that the cake would be ready on that day, meaning they are just as much to blame for letting Marinette go watch Kim and Alix's race, going off on their date, leaving the place deserted, and expecting Nadja to show up at an exact time like clockwork. If she ordered that same day, Tom and Sabine still agreed to make the cake and then left the bakery empty, implying that either it's ready and they ran off without giving Nadja time to show up and collect it or they flat-out left the cake unattended. Any way you slice it, Nadja's shock is rather understandable.
    • In "Volpina", "Captain Hardrock", and "Prime Queen", Scarlet Lady suggests letting civilian hostages get killed and relying on Miraculous Ladybug to resurrect them, which everyone else is horrified by, calls her out on, and refuses to even consider. Her decision to prioritize protecting the extremely powerful and dangerous Miraculous from psychotic supervillains over spending time on hostages that could be saved through alternate means is not entirely morally indefensible, although any logic in said decision is severely undercut by her total lack of empathy towards said civilians' plights and refusal to even try to find a way to save them.
    • Gabriel says of becoming the Collector: "I did what was necessary to protect my secret." Nathalie doesn't buy it at all and mockingly retorts, "You're truly the picture of subtlety, sir," and we're clearly supposed to agree with her. However, unbeknownst to them, the book did fall into the hands of someone who knew what it was and could connect the dots, so Gabriel's action was in fact vital to avert suspicion.
    • Scarlet Lady suggesting that Penny take care of herself by buying a diamond phone case is supposed to be another case of the heroine being her usual Rich Bitch self. However, while the specifics of her advice are impractical for obvious reasons, Retail Therapy is actually a decent form of self-care; Scarlet simply has no idea of what most people consider affordable.
    • In "Prime Queen," Lila calls in to Nadja's interview and calls Scarlet Lady the worst. The superheroine dismissing Lila and declaring that she's just mad about becoming a Liar Revealed is supposed to be yet another example of Scarlet Lady being unable to comprehend the consequences of her actions. While Scarlet Lady is Dramatically Missing the Point that she retaliated against Lila's Celebrity Lie with Disproportionate Retribution, her claim that Lila's grudge against her stems from the Ladybug heroine outing her as a liar does hold a grain of truth.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Some readers were hoping that "Queen Wasp" would have Zoé temporarily use the Ladybug Miraculous to help Marigold and Chat Noir defeat her sister after coming into possession of the earrings by chance. This didn't come to pass, as instead, Zoé lets herself get stung as a distraction after leaving the earrings with Alya, and Marigold unifies the Ladybug and Bee Miraculous. Those readers were a bit disappointed, especially after the author had previously reblogged some of her earlier art of Ladybug Zoé, which she admitted was done to intentionally mislead people.
  • Unexpected Character: With the author having already said several times that Bunnyx wasn't going to appear, her not only appearing during the third intermission, but being the one from the canon show caught several people off guard.
  • Unintentionally Sympathetic:
    • Some felt an ounce of sympathy for Chloé when she demands Jagged Stone reimburse her for all of her shoes that were eaten by Fang (he ordered Fang to do it to punish Chloé for helping Bob Roth and XY steal from Kitty Section). As much of an Asshole Victim as she is, who wouldn't demand restitution for property damage caused by an eccentric celebrity's exotic pet?
    • Many readers didn't hold Scarlet Lady's refusal to face Anansi against her due to Chloé's arachnophobia in the comic, admitting that they have similar fears and would've probably have reacted the same way in her position.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
    • Though the majority sympathized with Lila when Scarlet Lady retaliated to her Celebrity Lie by throwing her into a fountain in the middle of winter, some were still happy to see it happen to Lila due to her acting no different than she did in canon up to that point, stealing Adrien's book and then throwing it away without a shred of remorse.
    • The heroes come off as this when they casually destroy the Eiffel Tower in "The Mime" to get Scarlet Lady's attention instead of trying to come up with another plan. They seem completely unconcerned about the amount of property damage they caused and the countless people endangered if not hurt or killed by their actions despite frequently calling out Scarlet Lady over her apathy towards civilians.
    • Per Word of God, Chloé finally realizing how hated she's become during "Queen Wasp" is supposed to be a combination of Catharsis Factor and Alas, Poor Villain in that it's satisfying to see her finally realize how far she's fallen (even if she's still in full Never My Fault mode), but also pitiful because she's realizing how alone she truly is and has no idea how to fix that. Several readers, though, felt that, after five seasons worth of her acting nasty and entitled and refusing to change, the idea we're supposed to pity her fell flat.
  • The Woobie:

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