Wild Mass Guessing for Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
- This theory may also be an explanation for Robin Williams and Jim Carrey.
- This can work in the opposite direction too, i.e. toons who act entirely like regular people. For example, the cast of Daria who display no supernatural powers whatsoever.
- Judge Doom may have been one of the first.
- Human-toon inbreeding can also explain why so many toons resemble famous human actors and performers. After all, the first humans to come in regular contact with toons would be people who were spending a lot of time in Hollywood or in TV studios. Indeed, hundreds of toons trace ancestry back to greats like Elvis Presley, Peter Lorre, Frank Sinatra, and the like.
- Sadly, it seems that despite all this interbreeding, there's still a lot of prejudice going around. People are more comfortable and accepting of CGI toons after all, but it seems the original toons are still by and large not tolerated by the majority of the adult human population.'
- back in the 1940's when this film is set, that "cartoons are for kids" attitude was not as strong as it would be later on (like when kids' tv came about)
- Alternatively, early CGI toons may have been denied work for not being "toony" enough and not fitting fitting the stereotype of what a toon is. It's even possible there was racism from both humans and 2D toons due to CGI toons not fitting into either group. It was breakthrough movies (like Toy Story) that paved the way for CGI becoming more accepted, even preferred. Which led to the reverse problem stated above; CGI toons were given more work compared to 2D toons because they were seen as closer to human, thus more relatable and desirable.
- Would this mean that the characters in The Film of the Book A Scanner Darkly are 1/4 Toon?
- Maybe then Motion Capture like what Serkis does is the toon equivalent of the Black Face, after all, it is a human disguised as a toon.
- Toons don't need Dip to be kept under control. Toons need to be famous or else they fade away. Toons need to be on film or broadcast like humans need food and water, so every toon is an actor and they have no choice of other occupations. Taking over the world wouldn't be a practical alternative. On the other hand, it must have been common knowledge that toons could be harmed by things which dissolve paint. There was nothing revolutionary about Dip; it was just a highly effective mix.
- One problem with this hypothesis: Acting is not the only way to get on the toons. Another is politics. If you take over the world, you get broadcast on Fox Noise Channel and Most Socialist Network on Basic Cable multiple times a day. Now you start to see the motivation of Brain.
- It's not only never refer in-universe that Toons need fame or fade away, is openly denied. a) It's openly said that the only way to kill a Toon is dip. b) We see Toons in not cinema-related jobs like been waiters and taxis, Doom's weasels are like some sort of corrupt police force and Eddie's toon bullets were hidden away for decades. c) We see unemployed former celebrity Toons not famous anymore like Betty Boop working as a waitress. So, sorry, this hypothesis is totally denied for Roger Rabit at least.
- Plus, wasn't Doom himself a toon? How was he "feeding"? And furthermore, how does it logically follow that Dip works by dissolving paint? That's a Voodoo Shark if ever I heard one.
- If Doom's a bad guy Toon, he might gain strength from being booed rather than laughed at. Plenty of cartoon characters are designed for villainous roles, after all, and their Toon actors don't seem to be dying from laugh-deprivation; it'd possibly that he retained the obviously-a-villain look even in his human guise so people would still react to him in a way that sustains villainous Toons, filmed or in person.
- It's more likely that Doom invented it, because most toons don't have any interest in world domination, they're more interested in making people laugh and have a good time. The only toons that would want world domination would be the obvious bad guy toons, who are trumped by the bad-guy never wins rule of cartoons.
- Plus, the way Eddie and his friend talked, it sounds like dip is a brand new thing (or at least new enough that it's not well known among humans)
- Or maybe Dip was invented by aliens.
- Actually, I could see the Nazis inventing Dip. Especially considering that if the unmade Roger Rabbit prequel is anything to go by, Toons fought in WWII in this 'verse.
- This WMG in general is true in the book.
- Word of God confirms this WMG for the movie.
- And yet, it's never shown that the regulars in the bar wouldn't welcome toon patrons, as evident in Roger's rendition of "The Merry-Go-Round Broke Down".
- Probably because Roger was entertaining them in what could be construed as the toon equivalent to a minstrel show.
- Lindsay Ellis briefly touches upon this theory in a video. She points out that the toons performing for a bar they can’t enter as a patron is very reminiscent of how black performers could not order from white bars even if they were PERFORMERS at the bar. The toons seem to be not allowed to enter some spaces, but humans can be seen all over the place, including bars for toons, since black people were not allowed to enter white only establishments, but it rarely was enforced the other way around.
- Case in point: Bender Rodriguez.
- This also could be because the Toons are made of paint and ink, alcohol disrupts their system.
- No one expected him to bounce off the walls uncontrollably when he takes the drink at the bar though. If the reaction is typical of all toons, at the very least the barmaid and especially the weasels and Doom himself would have expected it (and Doom wouldn't have allowed it in the first place).
- Yes. And after a certain point, at least in this country, hybrids started outnumbering the purebred toons.
- Well, looks like you've given someone an idea. :D
- This breeding has damaged the Toons: now, even when it's Toon/Toon, the offspring looks far more caricature-ish and not like the animation of the old days.
- Isn't that already elaborated at the top of this page?
- All Disney worlds are part of the Kingdom Hearts universe. That is what Toontown is: another world in the Kingdom Hearts universe.
- But Kingdom Hearts represents the Disney cartoons as being real and living in different worlds; Who Framed Roger Rabbit represents them as being actors and actresses along with all other Toons, sharing the same world. These depictions cannot be reconciled without either acknowledging the KH world as fundamentally "false" or putting alternate realities into play...
- Kingdom Hearts is about alternate realities. Disney has addressed the other aspect in some of its other works: classic Disney toons are Animated Actors, but they usually are just like the characters they play. (Disney is attempting this with much of its live-action line-up as well.)
- It could be a Fred Flintstone situation, getting bonked on the head and thinking he's different person. Or was Fred just following a script for those cartoons, and in real life Fred can take heavy objects to the head without incident? (Or is Fred half-human as well?)
- Probably the first one.
- If you count licensed comics as canon, the "Fred Flintstone" situation is actually confirmed in a comic book sequel to the movie. According to the comic, Judge Doom was originally a Toon actor specializing in bad-guy roles, who was known for his versatile range and played many one-shot bad guys in cartoons for different studios. Until he got bonked on the head and started thinking he was a villain in real life too.
- As Baron von Rotten, he may have taken his villainous roles more seriously than the more comic toons, and began getting tired of being something merely to laugh at. Notice that as Judge Doom he has only disdain for the way most toons behave, in (to him) total disrespect of the law. The plan of dissolving all Toontown is his way of getting back at them for not taking him seriously. Being hit on the head didn't so much make him believe he was a real villain as more push him fully into what he was already becoming.
- As a (presumed) human, Judge Doom commanded some real respect, much more so than any toon, even the most famous; after the blow he seems to switch allegiance from his toon to his human side.
- No doubt there have been evil toons, but none seem to ever have thought of passing themselves off as human.
- As a (presumed) human, Judge Doom commanded some real respect, much more so than any toon, even the most famous; after the blow he seems to switch allegiance from his toon to his human side.
- But there are a lot of 50s cartoon characters IN THE MOVIE.
- The humans don't create the toons. The toons are just a repressed minority with a culture based on showmanship and Rule of Funny. (Jessica's "I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way" is a pun, a play on words.) The toons that haven't appeared in any cartoons before 1947 but became famous afterwards have just not gotten their start in Hollywood yet.
- So were Peter Griffin and Homer Simpson (or for that matter, Fred Flintstone, debuted 1960) somewhere in the background or not born yet? How long do toons usually live?
- Toons are potentially immortal, barring Dip. This is canon in the Warner Brothers verse — a toon can live and be young as long as people remember him or her. It is probably true in at least some layers of the Disney-verse. Fred Flintstone is alive, but — well, limited-animation toons like him were doubly despised before the freeways were built... which is why people making TV shows hired them.
- Hmm, tricky. This contradicts a line spoken by Baby Herman in Who Censored Roger Rabbit? that goes something like, "What most people fail to realize is that some Toons age and some don't," as a way of justifying why he's matured mentally, but physically he's still an infant. Then, in Who Plugged Roger Rabbit? Roger reveals (to Clark Gable, no less) that in Toon communities it's considered extremely poor manners to ask someone's age (in fact, it's one of the two questions you should never ask a Toon, the other one being "what's the other one?")
- If there was a third question, it would be "why'd ya bring that up at all?"
- That's not a contradiction. The toons that age that he was talking about are the ones who grow older to make themselves fit the roles that they need to play. In other words, aging for toons is fake, little more than makeup. Baby Herman is just grumpy because he wishes he could work in a soap opera so he wouldn't have to look like a baby all the time. Because he would experience Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome.
- Toons maybe immortal/indestructible but not omnipresent, as if they always existed, we see in the movie Toons of different ages and it is also kind of implied that they are hand-drawn for someone (not only Jessica's line that there no reason to believe is a pun and not a real statement, but also because Dumbo is own by Disney as if is a thing and not a person that had a pre-existence life). So, I'm going for the theory that The Flintstones didn't existed before the 60s nor The Simpsons before the 90s, and so on.
- At least 34 people on the internet do.
- That's not too far from how it was in the book.
- What about Red Hot Riding Hood then?
- This theory explains a lot, can also explain from where all the adult-animation toons come from.
- Another possibility: Jessica was actually an unauthorized adult animated character based off of a Tijuana Bible. Many people may not realize that though more "adult oriented" animated films came into mainstream with films like Heavy Metal and Fritz the Cat, there were many adult oriented cartoons that were made that weren't known about that were more pornographic even before the time the film is set. Jessica being from such an unauthorized porn creation by someone in the 1930s or 1940s isn't really that far out of the possibility (even Rule 34 isn't just limited to just pictures).
- Roger is a pin-up by toon standards. And they are cartoons; they don't seem to have breeds.
- The planned, but never made, prequel actually goes into Roger and Jessica's relationship a lot more. She was doing a sleazy nightclub act when she first met Roger, and was incredibly miserable. Roger was the first person to ever make her laugh.
- Jessica is a rabbit. And Betty Boop calls her lucky to have married Roger, implying that he's considered desirable by toon standards.
- We see how flirty she can be with the men, who's to say she doesn't act that way with the women who watch her?
- That one woman in the audience with a cigarette holder could be checking her out while Jessica is snuggling Eddie. Also Betty Boop has a crush on Jessica.
- How does other women finding her attractive make Jessica bisexual?
- A guy can dream, can he? Jessica was briefly checking out Dolores before leaving Eddie's office and after Dolores said "that's not all she's trying to get her hands on!" (which is why Jessica smiles at that, since it can have many meanings).
- This explains the Kissing Discretion Shot as Jessica was smothering Roger with Smooch of Victory kisses. At first it was a sweet and innocent enough gesture of gratitude to be on camera, but as Jessica began to turn up the passion the camera conveniently looked away.
- Even laughing to death doesn't kill a toon - Psycho was still dangerous when he was a ghost, and Wheezy almost managed to save himself by dragging his 'soul' back into his body. The four weasels who laughed themselves to death were merely temporarily incapacitated. But Dip even destroys the Ghosts of Toons.
- This is probably right. Dip is a mixture of the three chemicals that will clear the paint of cel animation off the film frames themselves, so it's quite probable that it works at a meta 'erasure' level.
Unfortunately, Doom grew tired of being hounded by his creator and killed him, giving him the freedom to do whatever he wanted without Teddy setting up the crimes for him.
- While I've no doubt that anime characters also exist in the world of Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I don't think some of your descriptions are spot-on. Do they possess more physical strength as a rule? Surely you haven't forgotten about Superman and Popeye! As for the savviness, the Looney Tunes and others like them constantly break the fourth wall and use animation tropes to their advantage. And wouldn't they be more of a race than a different species, the same way there are some genetic difference between Asians and Westerners but both are still human?
- Yeah, you've gotten it more correct there. I kinda wrote that on the fly and didn't take the, ahem, Unfortunate Implications into account there.
- Well considering the movie takes place in the 40s Anime-cho might actually be the toon equivalent to an internment camp for Japanese Americans during WWII.
- The Japanese Toontown is better known as Chibi-cho, for the sake of having an Alliterative Name. Furthermore, the real Super-Deformed state of an anime character is actually the serious one, as demonstrated in the Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) ova "Chibi Party".
- Anime characters can be identified with a species of youkai or spirits - well, they are often youkai. So that also a toon could be a sort of elf or goblin.
- But anime are also aliens and robot! Could be?
- Moreover, see Astro Boy for robo-racism, analogous to toon-racism.
- But anime are also aliens and robot! Could be?
- How about the different Face Faults? Can you explain that?
- Face Faults are no different than the bug eyes, or gigantic mouths, or wild takes Western cartoons are able to do in the movie. Meaning, there IS no explanation.
- Maybe there's also an alley off main Toontown that's a dwelling of anime characters travelled FROM Japan. That would explain why they've only acted in English relatively recently. Many toons disliked them and they returned the sentiment, only warming up over time—which may have led to toon/anime hybrids in a similar guess. Now it may be hard to distinguish them, like maybe Robin from Teen Titans (2003) is the son of the toon who played Batman in Batman: The Animated Series and a somewhat-realistic anime character such as the anime girl who played Sato from Case Closed.
- This is a very cool theory. Someone should make a sequel of Roger Rabit with anime characters in it using this logic! Now, if Western animation are the equivalent of Westerners and Anime is the equivalent of Asians, what would be the toon equivalent of Africans?
- Going off this WMG, one would think for the Toon characters, whatever they're doing has to be fueled by Rule of Funny. For anime characters, however, it relies primarily on whatever looks the coolest or happens to be the sexiest or cutest, three big defining aspects to Japanese anime. And that there would be, um... lots and lots of hentai bars in Anime-cho that make the sexualization of Jessica Rabbit look positively chaste, with things like lolicon, shotacon, vore, tentacle rape, yaoi, yuri, and so on. In fact, one could see humans going to Anime-cho simply to buy "services" with many of the characters, whether role-playing or sexual in nature, similar to legal brothels in the United States today. As a final note of Worldbuilding, one would imagine that there'd probably be numerous accidental panty shots in Anime-cho, so be careful going there if you're female, because the world itself will conspire to somehow flash you to others. (Frightening or liberating? You decide!)
- Other towns include Serkis Point, Sovietus, Flasidiak And Rotorian.
- So CGI characters aren't Toon / Human hybrids, after all?
- This makes a lot of sense for Muppets. It's never stated outright in a muppet movie, but humans seems to have the same social prejudice against them that they do against Toons. In The Muppet Christmas Carol, the lower class is nothing but muppets. In The Great Muppet Caper, the run-down Happiness Hotel is the only place shown to house them.
- Shouldn't muppets and clay characters be more Living Toys ála Toy Story?
- So considering Disney owns the Muppets and a ton of CGI characters (Characters from Pixar movies and Blue Sky movies) how close by is Mupp's Creek and CG vill to Toontown? I'd assume only a couple miles away because all the Pixar characters and the Muppet cast constantly work at Disney Studios.
- What!? First of all Anime wasn't all that common in the 40's, the most Japan had animated where WWII propaganda films. So if there where toons in Japan the government clearly didn't have much interest in them and wouldn't waste time with it (besides they did have a "war" going on.) Second; post WWII Japan got many American imports one of which where films, and many animators (or directors in this world) where "inspired" by many western toon (Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit, etc.) and later incorporated some of that style in the 60's. So by that anime characters would look up to toons as idols, and wouldn't dream of killing them because without them they probably wouldn't have gotten that far... or exist... or something.
- And Bugs found Nemo.
- It's just that we never get to visit Toon Town in that film, and because of it taking place in the present day instead of the 1940's, the toons have developed the ability to warp real world reality by now (i. e.- a car that doesn't fall from the sky until you're aware of it cannot do that if Bugs and Daffy were not in it, Bugs can transition locations of a scenes by turning the frame over, etc).
- By that time the well-known Toons live in the well-known "rich people" parts of Los Angeles since it was made in 2003, 25 years after the Fair Housing Act of 1968.
- Steve Martin's Acme Head is a disguised Toon, just like Judge Doom.
- Unlikely, since he turned into a live-action monkey rather than a toon monkey.
- Toons: Mostly originating in America. One of only four species of naturally occurring toons.
- Flatties: Comic strip and comic book characters. They are less animated than Toons and move jerkily from one position to the next and are "flatter" and have less substance than Toons. If one becomes popular enough they can eventually become a Toon (sort of making a successful leap from theater to films).
- Anime: Toons mostly hailing from Japan, the Anime characters rarely breed with cartoons. When they do this, the results are very unpredictable.
- However The toons of Avatar: The Last Airbender turned out great.
- CGI-lings (aka People of Data): The result of the unthinkable - sex between humans and Toons.
- Also, CGI-lings are immune to the Dip, partly because they aren't made from ink and paper and partly because of the human component in their DNA.
- Claymen: Despite living for the most part in America (and England), these are Human-Anime crossbreeds.
- Muppetoids: Utterly unrelated alien beings in the same universe. In a subversion of common tropes, and in a step forward for reality, they cannot reproduce with humans. Or Animane. Or Toons. They do have a symbiotic or parasitic relation with humans, though, and CAN breed with flatties, however this results in Gender Equals Breed rather than hybrids.
- Note: The cast of Robot Chicken and Titan Maximum are claymen.
- Having Claymen and Muppetoids be alive opens more questions than it answers.
- Is any form of animation in this world just "the impression of life" rather than actual life? Or will shadow puppets achieve self-awareness?
- Shadow puppets having self-awareness is silly. But it would be a shame if Wallace & Gromit or Jack Skellington didn't exist somewhere in this 'verse.
- They are claymen.
- NPCs and Videogame Physics, in that sense, would logically be the future versions animated toons. Everything runs on Nonsensoleum and giant brawls are common place.
- Modern videogames with high budgets enough to make separate CGI cut scenes are a haven for CGI-lings. You could see true Toons in the arcade vs. of Dragon's Lair, as well as Sonic CD and Sonic Riders.
- I was also talking about old school Pixel characters, like Mario and placeholder Kirby.
- What about Flash cartoons? And things made on Pivot? And realistic Serkis Folk in live action? And the paper cut outs from Blue's Clues? The people from shows like Robot Chicken?
- Flash characters are toons, Serkis Folk characters are CGI-lings, Robot Chicken characters are claymen, Eastern European Animation characters are toons. The rest I have no answer for.
- Serkis Folk are the equivalent of a human dress as a toon.
- Rowan Atkinson, no doubt. Just look at him!
- Johnny Knoxville. Like Roger, he takes way too much physical abuse and doesn't die.
- President George W. Bush. The funny face, the speech impediment, the predilection toward violence... come on!
- His environmental record reminds one of Judge Doom.
- Jim Carrey. He did his own stunts in The Mask, they just want you to think it was computer animation.
- Jack Black. There's a reason he's popular with kids.
- Mick Foley, of WWE fame. Only a Toon could take hits like that man.
- Doug Walker. There is no way Doug is a human.
- Carol Channing. Clearly nothing like that could evolve in nature as we know it.
- Pretty much every actor who played in Kung Fu Hustle.
- Amy Adams. Enchanted was far more autobiographical than people think.
- Chuck Norris The only toon in existence dip CAN'T kill.
- Michael J. Nelson. His middle initial should be a clue... as should his distinctly Toon-like Lantern Jaw of Justice.
- "Weird Al" Yankovic. He may actually be Roger Rabbit.
- Nicki Minaj does have toony qualities.
- Michael Jackson. He was clearly manipulating cartoon physics with his dancing. His changing appearance happened for the same reason Bugs Bunny's and Tom and Jerry's appearances changed over time, as a gradual Art Evolution.
- Most celebrities skewered on South Park aren't really parodies. That's their real origin. They got tired of being picked on and branched out into live-action where everyone is much kinder.
- This troper assumes I am a toon to! (Just wait till I get famous, then I can put my name here to...)
- So, like... a True Neutral version of The Warp?
- Possibly closer to Chaotic Neutral, but yeah.
- Wait...The Warp? Chaotic N— OH MY GOD MAN! GET TO FANFICTION.COM! WE HAVE A FANFIC IDEA!
- The tunnel to Toontown still exists. It's at a little theme park in Anaheim.
- It really makes sense to why we never see Bambi's mother's corpse; because the filmmakers found the death scene horrifying.
- Also the pheasant was very scared of MAN, [[Jerkass while Gaston is a prick]] he's far, far from intimidating it had to be something so horrendous that it went against rational thought and decided to flee out of fear only to be shot down. it probably saw Doom's real face, not just the eyes that have terrified most of the people who ever watched the film as well as the insanely high pitched voice, it was the whole deal. After that, the staff seeing how sick he is, decide to burn down the studio {the forest fire scene in the movie), but only manages to get themselves killed in the aftermath, while Judge Doom walks away and Gaston spends the rest of his career pretending to be a dumb Jerkass in order to repress the sight of that scene.
- Word of God says that "actor" was Gaston. Perhaps after killing Bambi's mom due to Doom's setup, Gaston decided to become his braggart self to forget about the trauma of having been involved in genocide and seeing Doom's real Toon face.
- It really makes sense to why we never see Bambi's mother's corpse; because the filmmakers found the death scene horrifying.
- Don't dismiss it right away. First of all: I have scanned all of fiction for people with red eyes, and I keep coming right back to Xehanort and his incarnations. VERY red. Now consider that Xehanort lives in a universe populated by toons, and he interacts with many of them. Even though he is game-original, he may still be of the toon SPECIES, and this may only be apparent if he is drawn in 2D (which hasn't yet happened). He is also indestructible by weaponry, having survived an ultimate beat-down in Birth By Sleep, being crushed in both Kingdom Hearts I and II, and Word of God saying he's STILL going to come back!!! Therefore, he, like Goofy, cannot be killed by mere injury. He will have to be destroyed by Dip. This is further supported by the fact that in WFRR and KH respectively, he is the worst possible entity in the Disney-verse.
- This of course implies that WFRR either takes place after KH, causing his ultimate death, or after his first death-by-Dip, he was resurrected by Hades. Because Hades is a Toon too, and he can do that, you know.
- Unfortunately, neither Master Xehanort nor ANY of his incarnations have red eyes. They're all various shades of gold, amber, or orange. None of them are even close to the shade of red that Judge Doom has.
- Cartoons used to be black and white, so his red eyes wouldn't have shown up. He was washed up when Universal got its hands on him, and when Mickey came around it was all over for him. He killed Teddy Valiant in a fit of rage, but then started thinking more strategically and created the Judge Doom persona. The Oswald in Epic Mickey is a cover-up story.
- Can Toons choose not to be black and white? In-universe, I mean, of course they can in reality but we see Betty Boop and some other black and white character (like the clown) and they all look black and white.
- Maybe toon-Cinderella for example goes into the Disney studios, puts on some dresses, is photographed then paid. These photos henceforth appear on Cinderella merchandise.
- Not most of them, just a select few. It would explain a lot.
- And I can explain that: A lot of toons' heads are too big to fit through the hole in a shirt, so they have to have their clothes sewn on.
- I reckon all Toons can change what they're wearing, but it's like extreme special effects makeup - it has to be painted on and it's a lot of effort, so most of them don't bother unless they need to do it for the animation. When just wandering around, they stick with a standardized outfit.
- It starts with a toon couple playing patty-cake, or doing whatever their sex equivalent is. As the toons play, a sliver of sound makes its way into the sky, onto some sort of floating cloud like feature, where some baby delivering storks live (like in the Dumbo movie). While humans and most creatures are incapable of hearing the sounds, the storks can, and occasionally, one of them will be inspired by the sound, and start to draw a new cartoon. The qualities of the sound floating up depend on the toon couple in question, and also influence how the stork draws. Once the drawing is complete, with a fully formed body and partially formed personality, the stork delivers the new toon baby to the "mother" toon in the original couple. And thus, a new toon enters the world.
- Theoretically, a gay toon couple could have a baby this way!
- Toons are born in any way that's funny.
- It's possible that animators and voice actors are involved in the birth of new toons, just not in the way they are in the real world; this would explain why some toons have similar art styles and voices to each other.
- Maybe the word 'toon' is a slur, and became a universally accepted term used to refer to them, like prawns.
- Plus, 'toon' rhymes with 'coon', a racial slur for blacks.
- Bugs Bunny was already fully grown by then and is implied to be around Roger's age, if not older.
- Although toons really have exactly a sense of age. And it does kinda make a little sense...
- Or a really big magnet or EMP.
- Or just dip their storage units. Silicon chips aren't that hard to damage.
- Maybe the Dip works on digital 2D cartoons, but not 3D ones, which are a whole different "animal" that can't be made by hand (and given the Dip is paint cleaners, maybe splashing CG characters with them only removes colors).
- Perhaps the Dip is capable of injuring digital 2D Toons, often irreparably, but not killing them. (As 2D Digital Toons are the in-between of traditional Toons and CGI Toons, you need to use both The Dip and an EMP to kill them-just one of the two won't do the trick on its own.)
- Laughter is a Toon's purpose in life and when they are offered a funny opportunity they absolutely have to take it, even if it involves humiliation (Leena Hyena watched Eddie change the street line but followed it into the wall anyway), self-injury (until someone turned off the skipping record or the joke got old, Roger wouldn't have been able to stop hitting himself with the plates in the bar), or their own death (Judge Doom couldn't have dodged that Dip to the face if he'd wanted to because the comedic timing was perfect).
- This explains Roger's seizure-like reaction while trying to hide from Doom's "shave and a haircut" routine: no matter how hard they try, Toons can't suppress the need to take advantage of a funny situation.
- Also might explain why Toon Town is as crazy as it is - everybody and everything is playing along with every humorous scenario they encounter, dropping pianos and warping reality accordingly.
- This would explain the logistics problems of toon casting directors somehow finding several main characters and numerous extras in exactly the same (and required) art style.
- They can change to CGI or claymation, or even a Muppet as well.
- Maybe changing art style, or going from black-and-white to color, are the Toon equivalents to cosmetic surgery. Betty Boop either couldn't afford the colorization procedure or hadn't decided to go through with it yet at the time.
- In our world the animation quality depends on the human animators and the time they have. In Toontown, the quality of the animation is based on how good(and thus, expensive) the camera they're using is.
- Or they're just wooden actors. South Park and Hanna Barbera cartoons might be considered unwatchable trash in this universe while Felix the Cat: The Movie and A Trollin Central Park are critically acclaimed.
- Isn't most of that because he grew up in the circus, though?
- Supported by the fact that he can drop weights on his head and electrocute himself without being seriously injured.
- He could be a perfect boss, or even a Heartless.
- I like this theory except for a few minor nitpicks. The first is that with what we know about aging of toons (there is absolutely no accurate way to judge if a toon is twenty or two hundred and if comic characters become toons (as is suggested by numerous guesses that Toon Town and Cool World share a universe there is absolutely now reason to believe that Discord wasn't in Toon Town the entire time and only returned to Equestria shortly BEFORE being freed from stone. As for his power difference between the two appearances Discord strikes me as the kind of prick who might just play around with people For the Evulz. We know based on Celestia sending Luna to the moon and Discord being regarded as more powerful that he could have easily dealt with the Mane Six in a much more permanent way if he'd been inclined. Perhaps he's a trickster a 'la Gabriel from Supernatural? I'm also not sold it's really an explanation for Doom's shape shifting. Most toons seem to be capable of it to one degree or another. Jessica clearly shifts at the sight of Dip, Roger changes several times into strange things. What seems to set Doom/Discord apart from other toons is the fact that he's in full control of his shifting abilities to the point of being able to weaponize them. Which as far as we can tell seems to be fairly unique. The others can only shape shift when it's funny.
- Did Doom decide to dip that poor little shoe just to demonstrate how evil he is? No, that shoe was very intuitive. Look at the way he appears by Doom's feet, snuggling up to him like an affectionate pet around someone familiar. Though it could only communicate through squeaks, it could tell what Doom really was. Doom got rid of it to allay suspicion.
- Unlike Humans, who are generally attracted to other Humans by physical appearance, Toons are attracted by how funny another Toon is. Hence, Funny Bunny Roger is considered a stud among female Toons and his wife Jessica is a "lucky goyl" to have him.
- ...Stupid would probably be too dumb to be believed and Psycho, like a certain lagomorph would probably have a short attention span and probably lose the train of thought before he could tell anyone about it. At least in theory.
- The trouble is that the Marvel comic The Resurrection of Doom has an entirely different explanation, revealing him to be a toon named Baron von Rotten (who was simply a caricatured version of Judge Doom). What the scriptwriters intended, on the other hand, is anybody's guess.
- Although it might be possible the Pistol Packin' Possum was simply a role Baron von Rotten played as he apparently was able to shape or alter himself to play many different characters (remember, he can morph his right arm into an assortment of objects). So while the Possum may not have been his true form, it could've still been him. However, Resurrection of Doom isn't considered canon, so we'll never really know.
- There's actually some validity to Doom being "Pistol Packin' Possum" because, if you pay attention, the movie tells us with a subtle foreshadowing tell. In the very first scene where Valiant talks to Maroon about taking on the snoop job, behind Maroon are posters of cartoons on the rotating wall. The one on the right is a poster of "Pistol Packin' Possum". But watch more closely! When Valiant and Maroon walk over to the desk to discuss more business, the rotating wall is closed and the poster (along with the gun the possum is holding) is always pointed towards Maroon with his back turned to it. This both foreshadows how Maroon dies, but also gives away who the triggerman always was!! Taking that into account, also notice how the gun similarly turns before Maroon is shot in the latter scene.
- Of course it could just be there simply to enunciate how ridiculously tall that building is.
Since then we've seen plenty other big examples which either follow this trope or use it on their own ways to captivate the audience (as opposed to amusing them that Toons do), from One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Sailor Moon, Jojos Bizarre Adventure, Samurai Champloo, A Certain Magical Index, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, Attack on Titan, etc. Some create their own genre through this to appeal for different audiences, like the Mecha Anime, Magical Girl-genre, etc.Some subversive animes like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Haruhi Suzumiya and Puella Magi Madoka Magica tend to break these tropes up but they still insist on good degree of coolness or appeal in their work in order to be alongside the ones that they were inspired by. note .
- In fact, in one of his lessons on drawing good manga in Hetappi Manga Kenkyuujo, Akira Toriyama insisted how it's not only boring to have nothing happening in a manga, but you are able to do just about ANYTHING you can imagine in that medium - as long as the readers are sucked to how just cool or appealing it just is. Sounds a lot like what the mangas mentioned above, right? note
- These words ironically parallel that of Tex Avery regarding American cartoons in that they can, and should do ANYTHING in their given medium in order to get laughs.
- Going further with the "appeal" of Anime-characters, usually by how human-like yet cool/lovable or other qualities they are for the fans, have been shown to be so huge and infective that humans tried to capture them now and then to claim them their own (nowadays dubbed Waifuism). Along with this is how much more difficult it is to monitor Rule of Cool than it is of Rule of Funny, especially since manga and anime are more story-driven and giving such consistent yet impressive powers to Anime characters comes with good degree of responsiblity, from the author creating them and the characters themselves. Since the 80s, the Anime-equivalent of Toon Town has been sealed away from Humans, and has never been shown on public, leading to deep mysteries and debates on how it must be like - or if it even exists at all, if thinking back how many kinds of universes are out there that work by their own rules rather than mostly universal ones from Toons.
- Oh yeah, this also explains how easy it's been to witness boy protagonists becoming quick badasses in recent anime even if there's little to no logic to it (especially if it is there to serve their new-found yet generic badassery)
- Dragon Ball is far from the only anime around, and to pretend it is does both the work itself and the genre as a whole a disservice. Dragon Ball itself belongs to shonen, but there are other genres, such as the Magical Girl genre (mahou shoujo), seinen, what is marketed towards older males, Pokemon, of course, which is a Trope Codifier in its own right that kicked off the "catch them all" genre, family dramas, and pure fetish fuel anime. And some of those are just as huge as Dragon Ball is. And anime has been around far longer than Dragon Ball has. So, yeah, one would logically deduce anime characters would not be beholden to what's "cool," or "looks" awesome - those would simply be the strongest defenders who protect their world, like how the Justice League defends the DC Earth. Rule of Sexy and Rule of Cute also is something that would be equally important for Japanese Toons, especially to female characters and children.
- It really depends on the genre of anime that determines the "rule" that they must "obey". Shonen anime like Dragon Ball Z and My Hero Academia run on the Rule of Cool, while Slice of Life anime like Nichijou and K-On! run on Rule of Funny like the Toons do, but it's more subdued. This isn't limited to anime, either. Superhero Toons created for comic books but then adapted to animation run on the Rule of Cool just as much as the shonen anime characters do.
- Confirmed when Doom's true toon nature is revealed and Eddie says he's not really surprised. The only thing he didn't expect is that he is the same toon that killed his brother.
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In this sequel, we’d learn that the transition from theatrical shorts to television has greatly impacted Toons for the worse. They have been deteriorating for decades and Toon oppression has become much more common, Eddie and Roger would be appalled at the latest generation of Toons that run on a completely different train of logic then the Golden Age Toons and exist only to sell toys. The film ends with a master plan to bring Toons back to the spotlight, which ultimately succeeds and ushers in a Toon renaissance.
Thinks about it! Why would a toon need to hide their identity behind a human disguise? A toon who has traditionally hid behind a mask anyway, that's who!
Because the film's version of the world is populated by cartoons, there would be no need to make puppets when there are already plenty of real characters that would fit the bill. In this universe, Jim Henson still exists but instead of being puppets characters like Kermit and Elmo are toons, and Henson revolutionized the idea of toons doing live performances and performing alongside humans.
My theory is that the high pitch voice is actually the voice he used when playing Pistol Packin' Possum and robbing the bank. I mean, PPP does resemble as gangster of sorts, and robbing a back would be within character.///
Also, the high pitch voice doesn't realy match Von Rotten's design. Granted, you could argue Rule of Funny, but to be honest, the joke would get old realy fast, especially with such an annoying voice.
It may seem like Anime characters are different to western Toons at first glance, but when you take into consideration western Toons like "Avatar: The Last Airbender" and "Teen Titans", the dividing line between Anime and westeren toons is blurred to the point where the only real diffrence is Anime are from Japan and other chartoon characters aren't.
- Errm... Could you explain please?
Doom is revealed to be the murderer of Marvin Acme all along at the end of the movie. Also, Roger had the will, the very thing which could have ruined Doom’s plan to dip Toontown and build a freeway over it. Therefore, he figured the rabbit most likely also knew he was Acme’s killer and framed him for the crime to get rid of the only Toon that could foil his scheme.
That's what made them far more realistic than some toons, but there could be rumors that more realistic toons (superheroes) does also have human DNA in a way or another. No one tell this because otherwise ... chaos will erupt.