This is a list of silly, or Just for Fun wild mass guesses for the series Umineko: When They Cry. More serious entries should go in one of the open pages.
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...there is no monster. There's just folks, trying to get by.
- Both involve immortal witches who are served by a man who proclaims himself to be a demon and invoke chess symbolism.
- In the Code Geass universe, Japan was not occupied until the Twenty-first century. Also, in EP1 there is reference to the Korean War. If The Royal family of the Britannian Empire fled to America, The Korean War sure as hell wouldn't have occured, as the attack on Pearl Harbor never happened. (The Japanese would have had no reason to attack Pearl Harbor, as Britannia would've already been involved in World War II if there was one at all, there would have been no reason to try and prevent America (which doesn't exist here.) from entering the war!) No Pearl Harbor, No MacArthur. No MacArthur, no Korean War. No Korean War, no war funds. No war funds, no fortune. No fortune, NO PLOT!
- You forgot to add that the American Revolution never happened, either.
- The fact that The Korean War as we know it did not occur does not mean that there couldn't be a war in Korea involving Britannia. If such a war took place, it would still be called the Korean War, because it would be a war taking place in Korea.
- Possible hint from the first game:
- ... Surprisingly confirmed.
- In EP1, the giant murder party started after tea was served. Poison tea could cause everyone to hallucinate about stakes and gore and shit. What contained the tea? Teatrice.
- In EP2, Shannon gets the gold butterfly brooch thing while she's on the beach. This makes little sense, though, as a) she wouldn't be on the beach, she'd be doing meido things, and b) how the hell would a servant get a perfectly made golden brooch? Shannon is actually just in the kitchen, and she's holding the teapot that is Beatrice. She's thinking about George and how she is in ~RABU~ with him, which translates to the magical love-enhancing power whatsit of the butterfly brooch.
- One of Natsuhi's many delusions in EP5 is that she's drinking tea with Beatrice. However, Bern states in red that there was only one person drinking tea there. Natsuhi still was technically drinking tea with "Beatrice," because TEATRICE.
- Bronove hangs around Beato and makes cookies. Cookies go with tea, right? And tea goes with teapots. TEATRICE.
- Beatrice is Western. Kinzo's got an obsession with Western shit, right? Well, the teapot was imported from Europe.
- To get around the "only humans are involved" rule...well, who brought out the teapot? Who bought it in the first place? Who put the tea in it? There's an "accomplice," someone using the teapot...but the teapot itself is what's killing people.
- This kind of implies that Battler fell in love with a teapot and said lots of Engrishy things to it. HE'LL RIDE IN ON A WHITE HORSE TO SAVE YOU, TEAPOT-CHAN~! He could have dropped the teapot or something, which would make it really hard to put back together. He probably got in trouble and promised that he'd be back next year to put it together on his own, but after he left the family they realized that he wouldn't be back. So, they put it together again, and put it on some shelf somewhere...until the family conference six years later, where they decided to take it out again.
- Maria's used to speaking to inanimate objects, so TEAPOT AS BFF is no problem there.
- I like this theory.
- It's actually a lot closer to the truth than you might think. While she might (or might not) be teapot shaped, though, she isn't a teapot.
- I get it all now! The original Beatrice whom Kinzo fell in love with was a teapot. They had a daughter who was half-teapot whom Kinzo knocked up again and created Yasu, who is quarter teapot. Because of that her parts are all made of teapot and thus she is unable to love.
- Nobody got murdered, but the connection wasn't great, so there's a fair amount of disconnecting going on.
- These people were using invisible units. Freaking invisible. Where are the gosh darn things? They aren't there at all! I won't recognize them! They don't exist!
- Red got confused, though, and started taking things too seriously. But he got better after a good challenge was thrown at him.
- Grey and yellow pulled a "in order to fool your foe, you must first fool you friend" style of trick, which involved yellow killing grey's main and then grey warping in Zealots on red. Luckily for red, that was about when his little sister's forces arrived, and she managed to save his base.
- After a couple of games, the host (yellow) got tired and started lagtrolling everyone. Thankfully, blue and pink lived in an apartment near her's, and threw stale spaghetti at her windows until she reconnected.
- Red's little sister wanted to play, too, but he didn't realize who she was and almost killed her main. Then she lagged out.
- So this clearly means Sakutaro is Jesus (the White Heart of Maria, her best friend and main creation, redeems her soul when he's revived, is a lion like Aslan, is loved by all, cannot be harmed by anything magical), so does this mean Beatrice is God? She speaks in Red Truth like Jesus in some versions of the Bible, her Endless Magic is godlike according to Eva-Beatrice, Mary/Maria believes in her despite being devout, she speaks of love and can command demons while mentioning Jesus a couple times, only people who believe her can see her, accepting her existence means going to a paradise, and she starts off being an evil monster, then turns into a hippie Love Freak like the Old and New Testaments.
- Wait, Jesus speaks in red truth in the Bible? That's awesome!
- Well not so much Red Truth. Literally every word he says is in Red, because he's just that badass.
- I thought that was just to assert his authority (ties in with a WMG above) whether those around him acknowledge it or not. Alternatively, it was a clue that he's not a normal human.
- Wait, Jesus speaks in red truth in the Bible? That's awesome!
- I agree with the main theory linking Maria to Mary, but not that other troper's theory linking Beatrice to God. No, Maria is Beato (which is an actual word meaning blessed), Beato is known to be in love with Battler, and who impregnated the Virgin Mary in the Bible? And by that logic, Battler is God! (it's certainly more supportable than "small bombs")
- Everyone is God in Meta World.
- OP here. Just to expand on my opening theory, I don't think Sakutaro is Jesus. He's more of a Joseph figure. I'd assume we haven't seen the Jesus analogue yet. As for God, they mention the actual God in the text multiple times, so maybe... bare with me now... GOD IS GOD!
- I fell in love with her at that point.
- I do not watch to see someone do such murders, or grant evil wishes. I watch to see one who commits such actions be CAUGHT!
- How could we expect her to understand this? If you underwent such a horrible ordeal, only to learn it was for somebody's entertainment... how likely would you be willing to listen to anyone claim they didn't mean any harm, or that they were on your side the whole time?
- This is canon and nothing will convince me otherwise.
- Not seeing the connection. Can you explain, please?
- (Respondent here.) Why does my request for an explanation keep getting deleted?
- Because there are three of them, and they had a fourth member, who is now dead. Also, said dead member played a trumpet, much like one of the 'living' Prismrivers.
- (Respondent here.) Why does my request for an explanation keep getting deleted?
- Impossible, she's clearly a relation of Red Green.
- Objection: Her complete insanity means that she must be related to Professor Moriarty.
- OBJECTION! Professor Moriarty was not a detective! If Erika Furudo was related to him, she would be a criminal, not a detective! You must have been thinking of Sherlock Holmes, who was a detective!
- Being related to a criminal does not automatically make one a criminal.
- She would have been brought up in that kind of lifestyle, hence my previous statement. Besides, she's not insane. She's just a bitch.
- OBJECTION! Professor Moriarty was not a detective! If Erika Furudo was related to him, she would be a criminal, not a detective! You must have been thinking of Sherlock Holmes, who was a detective!
- Imposes ironic, fantastic tortures on her victims, check.
- Forces the one person who pisses her off the most into a Fate Worse than Death, check.
- Are beings of pure hatred, check.
- Clark's Third Law is cheating and not allowed, according to Lambdadelta.
- I think you meant Knox's 4th. Besides, I did not mention that they were killed by nanomachines but rather that the golden butterflies they see at times are merely caused by the nanomachines messing up with their brains.
- I meant what I said. Anyway, things like nanomachines or drugs that cause hallucinations has been denied in Red. No such drug EXISTS. It must not EXIST.
- Only because it's forbidden by Knox's Decalogue! I propose that Knox's Decalogue does not apply to Beato's game!
- I think you meant Knox's 4th. Besides, I did not mention that they were killed by nanomachines but rather that the golden butterflies they see at times are merely caused by the nanomachines messing up with their brains.
- Ooh, interesting! If someone actually made this IRL, I would so totally play it!
There's no way Kinzo and Rotti aren't related. This makes even more sense if Beatrice actually was Italian; Rotti just reached back to his mother's(?) heritage.
- This is the best theory ever. Who are their Digimon partners?
- I'm not sure, but I would guess Black Gatomon for Bern, and I have no idea what Lambda's would be. Someone, with a more comprehensive knowledge of Digimon then me, would probably be able to provide a better answer.
- I haven't watched (or read, or played...) Umineko yet aside from the first few episodes of the anime (and am only on this page because I was bored), so I had to look up Lambadelta on the Umineko Wiki and on the character sheet, so if this doesn't fit her, I'm sorry. I'd guess a possible partner for her would be Lopmon, with the Mega (Dub name)/Ultimate (Japanese name) being the dark form of Cherubimon.
- I'm not sure, but I would guess Black Gatomon for Bern, and I have no idea what Lambda's would be. Someone, with a more comprehensive knowledge of Digimon then me, would probably be able to provide a better answer.
- Or, they're all extremely GOOD RPers, and it's Battler who sucks.
- Would this RPG happen to be titled "Witches & Woodlands"?
- Will is the Moderator of the "witches" Rp board but he had to retire because of IRL obligations. He passed on his modship to Dlanor, who is always trying to remind the "witches" of the rules they're violating.
- Alternatively, the witches are all Sim-players. The constant use of a Locked Room Mystery makes perfect sense - it's a favorite tactic of Sim-players everywhere. All the characters have Impossibly Cool Clothes because the witches download modded content.
- Maria is a Persona User, and Sakutarou is her Persona. Same with Ange, who can summon the Stakes too, having the Wild Card. The Meta-World is the Velvet Room, and most of the witches and demons are obvious in what they represent. Beatrice, especially, is Shannon's love for Battler forced out of her conscious mind and into another one. If that's not a Shadow, I don't know what is.
- Philemon and Nyarlathotep even have a challenge similar to the games in the meta-world. And the entire fourth game was about REACH OUT TO THE TRUTH. Who knows, maybe we'll start seeing some red text scattered around soon...
- Bernkatsel is of course, Rika's shadow. Or is that canon?
- Not to mention that Izanami is voiced by Takano, who Lambdadelta is an Expy of. What's Izanami's special ability? To kill unfailingly!
- I demand fan art of this. Right now.
- Will a fanfiction do?
- Theory poster here. That story is awesome and must continue!
- And the title of the story is really just "Na", and Higurashi never happened. We've been hardcore trolled.
- Because music in Umineko have NEVER been remixed for use outside of thematic reasons. No sirree, not at all. Never.
Meanwhile, poor little Rika Furude has a bit of a problem on her hands: her master suddenly just... stopped playing/reading. She has no hope of reaching that one good end now - she'll just be killed in the same ways over and over.
Eventually, something very unlikely occurs and Rika manages to reach that single good end by herself and becomes Bernkastel, the Witch of Miracles because of it. She's not happy though. Most pieces aren't after being abandoned by their master to be repeatedly killed for no rhyme or reason.
Bernkastel decides that she can only be satisfied with revenge. The next time Battler returns to Rokkenjima, she's going to make him experience the same hell she had to go through...
- And Lambdadelta too
- Alternately, they're both aspects of Hanyuu. All we need is a Fusion Dance!
- Is this just Fantasy?Caught in a landslide,no escape from reality.Open your eyes,look up to the skies,and see...
I'm just a poor boy.I need no Fantasy!Because I'm easy come, easy go, little high, little low.Any way the wind blows, doesn't really matterTo meMother,just killed a manput my gun against his headpulled my trigger now he's deadMother, life has just begunAnd now I've gone and thrown it all away.Mother, didn't mean to make you cryIf I'm not back this time tomorrowcarry on, carry on, as if nothing really mattersToo latemy time has comeSends shivers down my spineBody's aching all the timeGoodbye everybodyI've got to goGotta leave you all behind and face the truthMama, oooooooh (Anyway the wind blows)I don't want to dieSometimes wish I'd never been born at allI see a little silhouetto of a manScaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the FandangoThunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me(Galileo) Galileo (Galileo) Galileo, Galileo FigaroMagnifico-o-o-o-oI'm just a poor boynobody loves meHe's just a poor boy from a poor familySpare him his life from this monstrosity!Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?Bismillah! No, we will not let you go!Let him goBismillah! We will not let you goLet him goBismillah! We will not let you go!Let me go (Will not let you go)Let me go (Will not let you go) (Never, never, never, never)Let me go, o, o, o, oNo, no, no, no, no, no, no(Oh mama mia, mama mia) Mama Mia, let me goBeelzebub has the devil put aside for me, for me, for me!So you think you can stone me and spit in my eyeSo you think you can love meand leave me to dieOh, baby, can't do this to me, babyJust gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here(Oooh yeah, Oooh yeah)Nothing really mattersAnyone can seeNothing really mattersNothing really matters to meAny way the wind blows...
- Orangeish hair? Check
- Powerful ability to restore anything to a previous state? Check
- Sentinent flying homing weapons that stab people? Check
- Lady Gaga does things RANDOMLY. Beatrice kills RANDOM people RANDOMLY
- Her friendship with the former Beatrice, and she asks Virgillia if George was cute when she was about to fight him.
- In the Male Protagonist's story, Shinjiro died at October 4th and lost his ability to summon his Persona (though in another Kakera, the Female Protagonist's Story, he survived, but he might die later). Heaven reconized his deeds and his sacrifice that he was appointed as first-class archbishop and Chief Inquisitor of SSVD, and became successful with Van Dine's Commandments. As part of SSVD, Shinjiro changed his appearance and was given a new name, Willard H. Wright. But similar to his action in the Past, he quit SSVD just as he quit SEES, but just because of SSVD's brutal standards.
- Also, Willard still has Shinjiro's Hidden Heart of Gold, and of course, his signature Head Butt.
- This is so canon that it's not even a WMG. Did you only watch the anime or something?
- Sorry. That's exactly it. I'm a noob to this series and I'll admit it. I want to see the visual novels, but I don't know how to purchase the translations and I don't want to watch videos online because I feel like that's stealing in a way.
- Wait a minute. That was 'scientificly proven'...
- Da red wunz go fastah!
- Ok, so which one should we believe? The red truth, the scientific theory or the power of da WAAAGH!!!?
- Da red wunz go fastah!
- I've got a feeling that they would.
- Confirmed. It will be released by NIS America in December 2012.
- Ange's summonings are imaginary friends that aren't supposed to really touch stuff and shouldn't be counted.
- At least on Rokkenjima, Beatrice is plenty capable of opening windows when no-one's around and having them stay open: this is how she gains power when she's too weak to do much else, but it can too easily be explained as servant neglect.
- From a mystery perspective this should be impossible, but if magic 'actually exists until it enters a viewpoint denying it', a simple vanishing boxholder could prove it exists, just out of sight.
Does this mean Kumasawa knows about the bomb?