- Will find out about Sym Bionic Titan and somehow become a part of it, creating a Five-Man Band with Lance, Illana, and Octus. Why else would we get a shot of them at the begining when our three heroes are crashing toward Earth? Also, in Episode 10, Kimmy developed a crush on Octus, so it may lead to this.
- That would be AWESOME! And you know every Humongous Mecha show needs a Five-Man Band.
- So what would they be? We've already got heart, body, and mind.
- Will, Spirit, Guts... I'm betting on "spirit" for Kimmy for reasons that should be obvious ("school spirit").
- Wouldn't both of those technically be covered under "heart?"
- Heart, Body, Mind, Booty, Something...
- I would be quite disappointed if that gray skinned jock didn't serve some kind of purpose later on.
- Alternatively, maybe Lance and Ilana are captured later, and Octus will have to recruit Meat and Kimmy as the new body and heart for Titan.
- It is based on Japanese mecha anime shows, so its quite clear a Mecha Expansion Pack will come along at some point, so they're very good choices for it.
- Octus will probably either malfunction or be controlled by Modula at some point in the series. It would serve for some great drama to have Lance and Ilana fight their own friend.
- I'm for the theory that Octus will develop a true soul and have an existencial crisis that threatens the group.
- By some sort of Eldritch Abomination which is the Man Behind the Man. How else would you expect someone stranded on a planet filled
ZergMutraddi to survive? For more evidence, take a look at that hat. The eye on it moves and blinks and helps him to control the Mutraddi. That sort of thing ain't natural, especially if he's the same species as the rest of the Galalunans.- Also the way he wears his cape. I'm betting there's going to be a dramatic reveal which shows he's less then humanoid beneath it.
- In the second episode we see more of him under the cloak, and he looks pretty humanoid- but at the same time, he pulls off some seriously superhuman combat moves. Modula's appearance isn't visible mutated (from what we can see so far, anyway) but at the same time, he's clearly no longer an ordinary Gallallunan.
- Maybe he wasn't saved so much as possessed, and the eye in the hat belongs to whatever's taken him over...
- Or, to Take a Third Option, it's somewhere in between- the hat is an Artifact of Doom that whatever saved Modula gave him; it gives him his powers, but while he thinks he's still the one in control, his will is in fact being subverted, not unlike what happened to, say, the Nazgul after Sauron gave them their rings.
- Maybe the hat itself is the evil entity, and it's just using his body as a Meat Puppet.
- Or maybe the Mutraddi aren't as stupid as they look, and they're controlling him as an avatar of a pre-existing hivemind rather than the other way around, with superficial elements of his original personality remaining.
- And in keeping in mind with the second suggestion, The Reveal will be that underneath he has a sexy chitinous female humanoid body...excuse me, I need to go bleach my brain.
- Or the way he was saved was through a Deal with the Devil with said Eldritch Abomination, the Eldritch Abomination gives him the power to get revenge on the people who Left. Him. Behind. in exchange for his soul. Sort of like Gankutsuou.
- The second episode seems to support this theory, with Modula able to dodge lasersand Neck Lift a large Gallalunan man (complete with Neck Snap). Also, check out his complexion compared to other Gallalunans, its pink rather than human skin tone. It seems kind of odd, unless that sort of thing is natural for Gallalunans, and makes him look sort of like a tall, white-haired Mojo Jojo.
- Also the way he wears his cape. I'm betting there's going to be a dramatic reveal which shows he's less then humanoid beneath it.
- Giant robot, check. Rule of Cool, check. General kickassery, check. Powered by thoughts/emotions, check. Bonus points for having two pilots.
- Now all we need are some Kamina Shades and a drill-based weapon!
- Oh, come on. I can't be the only one seeing this happening.
- Galalunans look identical to humans, and Octus mentions that Earth has the same atmosphere as their home planet. That's because Galaluna is Earth, in the distant future.
- That could explain the Aliens Speaking English...
- Also, “…barbaric tribes of our ancestors.”
- Sorry, guys. Galaluna has three moons in Ilana's flashback.
- Your point? Either two of them are no moons, or we made more for aesthetic reasons, probably to fit the "body, mind, heart" tripart philosophy that seems to have supplanted religion.
- It's also possible that Earth captures another set of moons at some point in the future. Maybe fragments of another world.
- Alternately, Galaluna is where humanity settled after the Earth somehow became uninhabitable.
- Sorry, guys. Galaluna has three moons in Ilana's flashback.
- After the war ended society and two of the moons were destroyed.
- The fact that he broke off the attack after his Wave-Motion Gun caught the monster off guard could imply that he's on the Titan's side (assume he didn't simply want to avoid a direct fight with the Titan). He also wants to keep The Masquerade going, as evidenced by the confiscation of the mall security tapes. But most importantly, the Galactic Guardians' uniform includes a mask that looks a lot like the faceplate of the Galaluna Military uniform helmet that Lance wore when he first arrived on Earth.
- And now they've implied that Solomon is Lance's dad who created the Rift Gate in the first place. I have zero doubt about this now.
- I'm thinking it's more likely that when Lance's dad went through the rift gate, he ended up on Earth, and HE started the Galactic Guardians as a contingency in case something ever happened on Galaluna, and somehow contacted the King, telling him that Earth would be the safe-house of sorts in case shit ever went down.
- While it wouldn't be the first series to do something, it'd make for a creative twist if Modula is Lance's father (since it's suggested in episode 2 that Lance has no one on Galaluna to worry about anymore). It would be pretty interesting to see the two cross paths and possibly have either a Villainous Break Down from Modula or Lance being tempted by The Dark Side.
- Episode 6 may have Jossed the idea of them being father and son. But there's always the evil grandpa/uncle angle to work with.
- May as well scratch that theory too, as episode 8 clearly establishes that Modula was only friends with Lance's father. However, this could still lead to some kind of dramatic situation when Modula realizes he's been trying to kill his friend's son.
- I think this goes without saying. If this show is anything the giant robot and Super Sentai series it's inspired by, it only seems fitting that a dark counterpart is eventually introduced. This could even possibly lead into the theories of a Sixth Ranger addition (granted we see a fourth and fifth).
- Or perhaps Modula, after concluding that none of his normal Mutraddi are up to the task, will find some way to combine them/ create a suit of Powered Armor that runs off their energies in a way that is comparable to the Titan. This will probably be a finale of some sort if it happens.
- Of course there's always the evil doppelgangers that typically appear in these kind of series.
- Well have we do have the perfect Psycho Ranger variant for Lance in Baron now...
- Confirmed, assuming the wikipedia page is accurate [1].
- He was looking for the Hulk in the city when giant robots attacked.
- He's not Thunderbolt Ross, he's the Cartoon Network version of Thunderbolt Ross, and before the Sym-bionic Titan came to Earth, he was chasing down the Infraggable Krunk.
- Their parents, the King and Queen of Galaluna, separated at some point for some reason and each raised one of the two children respectively. Nothing to go by for Lance aside from him having nothing back on their homeworld, but Ilana has made zero mention of a mother so far. There's also Octus' speculation that perhaps her father sees something special in him, so maybe the King knows of their relation (and chose Lance to protect Ilana for that reason). There's also the potential irony of them posing as brother and sister while actually being related.
- Jossed as of episode six. Though of course there's nothing to say that Lance's dad wasn't possibly related to one of Ilana's parents.
Specifics:
- Illana, when she gets focus, will become The Woobie in some of her appearances, maybe even an Iron Woobie.
- Steel will grow gradually less antagonistic toward the Titan.
- He was in the middle of watching it, when another monster attack occurs.
- What episode was that?
- Because episode 6 said so.
- He had brown hair, and the jawline seems wrong. I call it as adoption.
- Because that would be awesome!
- It helps that Solomon and Lance's Dad have similar outfits.
- It doesn't help that they look nothing alike, and Solomon seems far too young.
- In episode 11, we do see that Solomon is old. And there's an action sequence wherein Lance and Solomon have the same fighting style.
- Episode 11 shows that Solomon moves far faster than any of the other Earth characters, has access to Galalunan technology, and obviously knows how to use it. There are strong implications that he is, if not Galalunan, at least a humanoid alien from a planet that uses Galalunan technology.
- Also, how did the King knows to send our heroes to Earth, if Octus himself didn't know where Earth was (in comparison to Galaluna)? Because he used the coordinates used by Lance's father, the last person he could trust who wasn't on Galaluna.
- As a side theory, perhaps Lance's father suffers from Identity Amnesia (perhaps from the warp gate accident) and became Solomon.
- It helps that Solomon and Lance's Dad have similar outfits.
- And still fall in love with him.
- Nah, I see Barb as being more of the "perpetually oblivious" type, where no matter what crazy alien bullshit she witnesses from the trio, she will never EVER grow wise to their goings on.
- Either a glitch or attempt by a Monster of the Week will suddenly have the Titan armor itself become sentient. Possibly the linking system that connects Lance, Ilana, and Octus will give birth to an independent being that thinks and feels for itself.
- In episode 11, we get to hear the Titan speak, and the voice doesn't sound like Lance, Illana, or Octus. Solomon asks which one of them is talking, and the Titan doesn't answer. So either the Titan has a voice modulation thing to disguise who's actually speaking, or Solomon was talking to the Titan itself.
- But, Titan needs all their armor and Octus to work, so...
- Well, they're apparently collecting anything alien that crashes to Earth and have access to technology more advanced than the regular military. It would also make sense for them to develop some sort of counter against the Titan.
- Or an ally, a second supporting mecha would rock!
- They share one creator, and the art style is very similar. This also explains the fact that the citizens of Sherman seem to take all the alien monster attacks in stride. They don't even close down the schools!
- I actually kinda agree, this would be cool.
- Though you would think the Justice Friends or Monkey would investigate the constant monster attacks in Sherman.
- The Justice Force are probably occupied with "More Important" matters... That aren't important at all.
- I actually kinda agree, this would be cool.
- Also, Deedee, and her two friends are cheerleaders at the school.
- He talked about wanting to be inside of a robot, but not being of the "elite." Some horrible accident took place where his mind had to be placed into a "shell"....
- They weren't exactly getting along well at the end of the episode. It may be Lance's fault that Arthur is Octus and if Octus ever remembers, he may very well hold it against him. Glad I'm not the only one who thought Arthur reminded me of Octus.
- He just kind of looks like he could be. Not to mention that a guard said that Baron's dad was able to persuade the king to release Baron. While the King of Galaluna is a benevolent king already, the only person that could convince him so easily and so quickly would be Modulla. Keep in mind that the episode takes place prior to Modulla's Face–Heel Turn.
- Possible, but wouldn't it seem weird considering he readily threw both in prision if one of them was his own son?
- The guard said Baron's bail was paid, not that there was persuasion involved. Modula seems like the kind of guy who'd let his son sit in prison as a lesson for such stupidity.
- True, but then that begs the question of whether Modula is out for revenge for something happening to Baron or has slipped so far off the end that he doesn't care anymore. Of course, Baron could be among Modula's ranks and hasn't had his reveal yet.
- Except Baron looks to be around Lance's age, if only a few years older. Baron would have to have had a Plot-Relevant Age-Up to be as old as Solomon, not to mention Baron is a Jerkass and Solomon has barely shown any malice to anyone.
- We never hear about his mom, even in the flashback episode she wasn't at her husband's funural.
- To drive him being the Evil Counterpart to Lance home, he'll probably be a Baron.
- Who but a total nut thinks that Rottweiler + Gerbil = good playmates?
- I thought that was a given?
- To create an antiTitan. Seeing as how this show is obviously going to thrive on Continuity Porn, it only seems fitting that Steel was planning on making some of weapon to use against the Titan. However, whateve he creates will obviously not be a powerful (at least in times of funtionality) like the actual Titan.
- Confirmed.
Leading to a cultural/weapon exchange, giving the Titan a massive Deadly Upgrade via Octus scanning and absorbing the tech. Think Titan+Wave Motion Gun.
Just look at how similar they are. They both dress alike, both are members of mysterious organizations that deal with taking down monsters, and both are quite intimidating even when they're not doing anything particularly threatening. The Hellsing organization must've learned that aliens are as big a threat as ghouls and vampires, had Alucard disguise himself as "Solomon" and sent him overseas to ensure the various giant monsters are destroyed.
- Leading to a Love Triangle of sorts between his Dual Personas trying to juggle both relationships.
- Serious outlook: He loses both, with either both wising up, or just becoming upset by his other selves.
- Fun outlook: He will then go on to become a real robot playa, Bender as his wing-man as they spread across the country, establishing an empire of robot pimps!!
- Why do you people like Barb so much?
- Who said they liked Barb? The above posters are simply commenting on the fact that she's also shown an interest in Octus.
- Most likely Jossed by "Escape from Galaluna"
- Baron's father wasn't shown? Then who led Baron into the vehicle to leave the prison?
- You mean the skinny guy in the mask that walked him out of his cell? That was either a soldier/guard or a student who perhaps was guarding the cell. No where does it show Baron getting into a vehicle to leave the prison. He could've easily left with the King but wasn't shown doing so.
- Richard McGonagle voicing both of them can't be a coincidence, either.
- Exactly what I was going to say. Of course, The Gauntlet man may not recognize Lance, or maybe hasn't even seen all the information Solomon has collected.
- I imagine that he's perfectly aware of who they are, he just hasn't chosen to reveal himself for whatever reason. Turning evil, or because he's afraid of confronting Lance after so long. Especially now that he's a cyborg.
- You guys beat me to it. The only problem is all that Galalunan wreckage Octus investigates. Doesn't just seem like G3 left it there. Perhaps additional rift experiments transported it there? And lance's father knew about all of it so he became the leader of the place? And they don't know he's an alien so that's why they don't know Lance and Illana arent a threat?
- It's all but stated in that scene where both he and Lance wonder where the other learned to fight like that. The combat scenes just before that also explicitly show how very similar their moves were.
- Somewhat subverted. Now, it's airing at 8 am in the morning. On Saturday! Might end up being Screwed by the Network.
- On the other hand, he's very quick to call out General Steel for his antics. So either he's a hypocrite, or he's fairly reasonable andepisode 11 was just a bad day for him.
- Or he knew that Steel had no idea about what he was doing and it would only lead to trouble.
- All of his calling out of Steel involved the fact that the general does not think things through and just tries to bull his way through anything with More Dakka, not because he's being a hypocrite or whatever. Solomon's actions, on the other hand, are comparatively subtle and thought out. Unlike Steel's usual shoot-until-I-get-whatI-want approach, Solomon took the pains to have the GGG do a quick and quiet commando abduction of Ilana and Lance and go through all the deception of Kane and the escape attempt — all to gather info. It's just that his plans were made based incomplete info as he had not known about Octus.
- Neither of those ideas really work, though, since Lance's father is all-but-officially-confirmed as the man behind the G3, and the Manus units are known to be mass-produced Powered Armor-style mecha units, not full robots.
It may turn out that, once all is said and done, when Modula has been defeated and all danger is gone, and it's time to go 'home', Octus will probably choose to stay on Earth. Maybe escort Lance and Ilana back to their planet, but come back and live his life here, on Earth, as a robot in disguise, with all the friends he has made over time. Leaving for a kind of bitter-sweet, happily ever after sort of ending.
- Makes sense. Or, as quoted from the main page, someone of the storyboarding staff is a hardcore ass man.
- So...Mary leaving town with a new, loving boyfriend is creepier then her dying alone in the woods. Just because Mary was never seen again by her classmates after that night does not mean she met a horrible fate after meeting the Fonzie-lookalike. She could have just moved out of town the next day (something that had been set up for months and she never told anyone because she had no actual friends), or something to that effect without any of the other kids knowing. Yes, Mary's fate was ambiguous. That is not the same as a death warrant.
- Or he just took her home and her family happened to move away soon after the barn incident. The legend sprang up because well, kids are kind of dumb.
- You're probably right.
- Violent? An action series from Tartakovsky? Oh no, whatever shall we do?
- If they just wanted to kill it, they wouldn't have advertised the slot change, just like they didn't with The Secret Saturdays.
- Also if they're so concerned about it being violent why even bother with the show in the first place? The show doesn't seem to suffereing from that much Executive Meddling. The show seems to be doing well, and if they kill it they can't make any money from merchandising.
- Though I don't know their reason, the CN just might want to get the show cancelled. I don't know if your idea is the best, but the show's definitely been repeatedly Screwed by the Network. The new time slot just got moved back to only Saturday mornings!
- Yeah, it's kinda been on the chopping block. They haven't produced any marketing merchandise, so, I guess we'll just see...
- It's not just Kimmy, For all their insistence that Octus is just a robot Lance and Illana certainly treat him as if he were a living being.
- Another idea is that the evil Titan only has a single pilot, with the villains missing the point on the whole "teamwork" thing.
- This could actually happen, if Episode 19 "The Steel Foe"'s description is anything to go by.
Episode XLVII. In the ep, A faraway planet is at war. The king sends his son and daughter, Prince Aster and Princess Ravina away from the planet to protect them. He sends his robot aswell. After a quick chase (That also reveals some character similarities, like Aster's(Lance) imagination in battle), the trio decide to land on planet Earth, becasue, aside from the gravity, the two planets are fairly similar. After landing, and getting arrested by Aku, Ravina(Ilana) gives a heart felt speech about why they're there. Then they get imprisoned and Jack shows up, which is where the similarity just about ends (unless Soloman gets up to some stuff). Basically, I'm saying that the storyline and characters are very similar, right down to character design (Asters hair is like Lance's but fluffier, Ravina's clothing looks like something Ilana would wear, and they have the same body types for age.) and fighting technique (Ravina stuck strictly to laser beams, while we see Aster take out at least one robot by jumping on it's back, punching his hand through it's eye and pulling the wires out viciously.) Either Genndy really liked the idea and built on it, or he repressed the memory somewhere and it came back out.
- It's possible he had been working on Sym-Bionic Titan for some time and merely adapted what he had into an episode for Samurai Jack as a sort of proof of concept. After his later successes with Clone Wars he came back to the show and started work on it in earnest.
- I had a similar theory after watching episode 18. But here's what I think. Octus will be revived by Edward (Lance's father), who will be revealed to be indeed the mysterious gauntlet man from episode 11. What will happen from there, I can't say.
- Maybe Genndy always thought this would happen, and introduced steel so he could kill off modula and still have a big bad for a potential renewal
- Possible. Though its also possible the next few episodes and series finale will attract enough of a draw to warrent CN to revive it.
- The Venture Bros. is another show that is not automatically renewed at the end of each season. It is possible (however, unlikely) that Cartoon Network wants to see what kind of numbers the finale brings in as well as seeing how re-runs perform before committing to the series any more than it already has.
- Another theory is that Genndy is fully embracing the Anime style of showrunning and producing shorter series with tighter storylines so he can at least finish a plot before the show gets canceled. Just in case.
- Possible, but Genedy usually only makes good shows for money. If Genedy sees this show as an opportunity for more money, he would likely take it.
- As many have theorized, in The Hero Returns, Octus will make a dramatic return to help Lance and Illana in their darkest hour. Here are possible explainations as to how:
- Lance's father resurrects him: As Edward is believed to be the man Solomon answers to, he'll figure out how to revive Octus, who will then transport them (all of G3) to Galaluna for one massive, epic showdown.
- Octus had a back-up: This does stray more into Ass Pull territory, but perhaps Octus considered the possibility of himself being "killed" and made sure to create a back up of his memory in his security network back at the house. However, something delays it's activation until the series finale.
- Octus installed a failsafe into Lance and Illana's armor: Octus was about to say something to Illana about Titan's formation being impossible should he die. What he was about to say was that he managed to encode the formation process into the manus and corus armors, so that the two could still form Titan in his possible absense. This of course, however, may mean he won't come back.
- He saw the destruction, he saw that the place is doomed. He's just trying to put up a brave front while trying to give Ilana a chance at a new life in the hope that she'll eventually get used to Earth.
- Since this troper isn't entirely partial to the idea that Solomon is Lance in the future, she's decided that Solomon's boss is Lance's father and that he created a clone of Lance in the form of Solomon. Tartakovksy pays special attention to how similarly Solomon and Lance move or fight, usually in Backto Back Badasses moments (like in The Fortress of Deception, when they make EXACTLY THE SAME MOVEMENTS in tandem). You could argue that Solomon only fights like Lance because he may have gone to the military academy, but that doesn't explain by he uses the exact same moves as Lance does without even looking at him. It's doubtful they taught them an exact timed sequence for how to hit people. Lance's father could have taught Solomon those moves – he knew Modula and the King, so he could have easily been to the Academy or maybe even taught there (that's kind of going out on a limb, the last bit). Aside from which, look at the scene in A Family Crisis when Lance and Solomon are sitting in the hallway waiting for the creature. They both sit down in the exact same way and the shot shows a wide-angle view of the two of them, and they're in the exact same position, with their knees up and everything. Look at the shot and just try to say that wasn't intentional.
- A bit rushed, it would seem. Considering how episode 19 ended, they have a lot to clean up in 22 minutes. Either that, or some stuff will be ignored all together, and we'll put together some spankin' Fan Wank.
- Or it could be a one hour special, never know.
- It better be.
- Seems you were right, it was somewhat rushed due to the H.M.E.R being destroyed so easily. It seems like a waste to have it introduced in one episode, decimate a Mutradi and then be destroyed in the next. It seems like there was a lot more intended to be done with it before it got cancled.
- Or it could be a one hour special, never know.
- Modula destroyed their lives, ruined their homeworld, and made their lives a living heck. I don't think Lance and Illana are going to be merciful on Modula. What better way to punish someone like Modula than to capture him and bring him back to the home world in chains to pay for his crimes before the surviving people of the planet?
- While the most OBVIOUS idea was that the H.M.E.R and Titan will have a huge fight ending with its destruction, with all the Tokusatsu influences in the show, it'd make more sense that he'd get his butt kicked but they spare him and he becomes an ally. Who knows, maybe the H.M.E.R and the Titan were even intended to combine sometime later on (despite Steel's bosts, the H.M.E.R WAS built with alien tech after all). Anyway, just a thought. And who knows, still might happen in the finale.
- The last episode will mostly entail Lance being reunited with his father, who is now leading G3. G3 teams up with Ilana and Lance and using Galalunan tech and possibly recovered Mutradii tech they plan to fight Modula. Lance's father may or may not be able to revive Octus, but either way Ilana, Lance, and G3 make it back to Galaluna for the final showdown with Modula. Take your pick on whether its either going to be a downer Bolivian Army Ending with perhaps a bit of hope or an optimistic ending, where the final battle is mostly skipped over or rushed, but the heroes win complete with a quick "Where are they now?" epilogue.
- Really? Because I thought the Hammer was supposed to come off as a poor man's Titan in episode 19. It was really slow, very cumbersome, and didn't have the matter-generation technology of Titan. Heck, even that stomping attack they made a big deal out of was extremely slow-moving compared to Titan's moves. It was mostly able to whale on the Mutradii beast because the thing just stood still. Compared to Titan's agile moves and weapon-generating capabilities, the Hammer looked underwhelming.
- It wasn't that powerful compared to Titan. All of those shots of all of the expended ammo it used up in its pursuit of More Dakka were probably meant to be a Chekhov's Gun were, in a fight with Titan, it runs out. It uses perhaps a small amount of alien technology, but it is primarily modern day millitary tech that only works because it is such a resource sink.
- Maybe, but both Ilana's and Lance's fathers, General Modula, and even Steel all have nearly that exact same body-type, and would look almost just like that were any of them to don a trenchcoat and hide in silhouette.
- Alternatively, he may be the same Octus, but from the future!
- This scene shows his "head" better.
- The stature of the stranger fits.
- The shape of the head doesn't, but stay with me here.
- One notes that he hasn't shown up in any of Modula's scenes towards the end of the series.
- When he was held prisoner his hands were entirely encased, he's definitely enough of a badass to rip them off if he thought he had a chance at freedom. Now he has robot hands.
- Most importantly, he built Octus in the first place, so naturally he'd know how to fix him (and how to build robot hands).
- They're both well-respected, very capable scientists. They both mysteriously vanish after stepping into a column of light projected from an unusual machine. They may never be seen again. This also explains Al's unusual taste in fashion: he's Galalunan.
He's fat, he has long hair, he has at least one robotic limb, and as per Underfist vs. the Astro-vampires (which is canon, since it's seen in the credits of the Halloween special), he's been to space. It's not unlikely that he got tangled up with the Mutraddi on one of his ridiculous adventures.