This is a list of silly, or Just for Fun wild mass guesses for the series Lyrical Nanoha. More serious entries should go in one of the open pages.
Please add new entries to the bottom of the page.
- And maybe, in keeping with the general theme of this thread, Al-Hazard is an Ancient outpost, and magitek as seen in the Nanohaverse was invented by the Ancients along their path to Ascension. And the Ancients are the reason why the people of Midchilda and (probably) practically everywhere else are human. They had time travel, and the ability to become energy, so... Interdimensional travel isn't all that far out of the question for them.
- Given that Seven Arcs used to make eroges and is noted for dropping shout-outs all over the place, this is probably intentional.
- The agent from Hückebein demanded that Tohma hand over the EC Divider and EC Reactor. We know what the Divider is, so....
So - following the events of GGG FINAL, Kaido and Mamoru return to Earth and grow up as normally as kids like them can. In the time it takes them to become teenagers or otherwise hit "protagonist material age", the technological advances brought about by G-Stone technology become commonplace, and mankind leapfrogs forward into the space age. At the same time, research on dimensional physics leads to the first instance of interdimensional travel. Unfortunately, the first people Earth meets upon jumping out of their own dimension are members of the Belkan Empire, and war ensues because the Belkans insist on trying to conquer Earth. The war that follows devastates Earth, but Kaido and Mamoru successfully drive off the invasion fleet at the cost of their lives.
With Earth in bad shape and their last G-Stones and J-Jewels destroyed, the remaining defenders of Earth scramble to devise a new defense system- and stumble over Professor Leo's notes on Zonder Metal. After a lot of careful experimentation and a very deliberate attempt to subvert A.I. Is a Crapshoot, a form of self-replicating mechanical life is created that shares traits with the Zonders but is also fundamentally different.
The differences between Ixpellia and the Mariage and the original Zonders lie mainly in the failsafes built into Ix and the Mariage. First, the Mariage give off a modified Z0 Particle that is useless for Zonderizing anything that isn't dead biological matter, but on the flip side they can convert corpses into more Mariage just by being near one. This also allows for the integration of a set mechanization template that makes the Mariage all have identical abilities. Second, the Z Master program was installed into a human instead of a crystal to ensure that the program wouldn't go rogue and try to kill-and-mechanize the human race for the same reasons the original did. To ensure the human couldn't go nuts and do this, the "hibernation cycle" was installed to ensure the program had a built-in exploitable weakness. Lastly, as a final layer of security, the program was installed in Mamoru and Hana's daughter, Ixpellia; Ix's own powers of purification cancel out the powers she would get from being a Zonderian and vice versa, thus ensuring that she is helpless without her troops to protect her. She's still an immortal machine-based life form though, which leads to the events in SSX...
- By extension of course, this also means there's a Super Robot Wars: Original Generations universe somewhere out there waiting for the Bureau to find it...
- As well as an Earth home to dimensional travelers Reiji Arisu and Xiaomu of Namco × Capcom, which apparently is the same Earth that become Lost Jerusalem of Xenosaga.
and Bardiche's Zamber Mode
◊ both vaguely resemble tridents with gems in the center of the crossguards.- Thudgelmir was Sanger's machine in his first appearance in Super Robot Wars Alpha Gaiden. Wodan debuted in Super Robot Wars: Original Generation 2, which came out in 2006 - a year after the end of Nanoha A's. If Fate is a Shout-Out to Wodan, then the writers either could see the future or had inside info on the games.
- Maybe you're right, but, actually Super Robot Wars Original Generation 2 was released in February 3 2005 in Japan and A's was run later in August of the same year
Nanoha travels dimensions via TSAB technology to save herself in another world. Her rage even carries over.
- So where does Bernkastel fit into this?
- Thus, the TSAB is another form of the organization seen in Robert A. Heinlein's The Cat Who Walks Through Walls, protecting The World as Myth.
- There are several such organizations mentioned in The Cat Who Walks Through Walls, with ethical levels ranging from 'relatively benevolent' to 'chaotic evil'. There's no reason the TSAB couldn't be another multiversal faction jockeying for position (and jurisdiction) with all the rest.
- Every fictional story except Haruhi Suzumiya, you mean.
- Perhaps the universes are discrete parts of a whole, and Haruhi is only able to affect her own. If she remakes hers, it would not touch the other parts of the multiverse.
- "Lindy-san, what's that dimension there, with all the barriers and warning labels around it?"
"Oh, that's the Imperium of Man, Nanoha-chan. We don't go there."- If the "Star child" theory is true after all... we may know Vivio's future husband.
- Oh? Shouldn't the Dimensional Sea be a tesseract, or an extra dimension, like the last part of Voltes V or the tesseracts in A Wrinkle in Time?
- Does that mean the TSAB is actually aware of a certain Doctor with a blue police box? See further down this page…
- This newcomer (to the series) troper agrees, given the similarity of the the invocations and Nanoha's going "Eeeeeeeeee?"
- So Fate is Syaoran Li? Makes sense, considering that in both cases started as antagonists and then became almost-canon couple.
- Also, Raging Heart was very similar to Sakura's Star Staff in Triangle Heart 3.
- Though it was subtler, and not to the same degree as Nanoha, Sakura showed some traces of being a workaholic in her Sick Episode, when she went to school and even to investigate a magical occurrence while she had a fever.
- Taking this further, the entirety of the Combat Cyborg project is based on reverse-engineered GGG-tech.
- As a further extension, Subaru's unique IS is based on Mic Sounder's Solitary Wave attack, only that it's tuned to attack cybernatically-enhanced warriors.
- The (il)logical conclusion being that eventually, Subaru will come across a J-Jewel powered cyborg who ends up as her rival.
[[WMG: Nanoha's God-Mode Power Level? It's fueled by the strong, angry emotions of Shippers.Well, it would explain all the Ship Tease regarding her...
- Boy, are we lucky the guys from Avatar aren't fueled by it. That would be... like Dragon Ball Z! Ugh!
- It would be even worse if it happened with Naruto, especially considering recent developments.
- Doubtful; all signs point to Maleficent still being sane.
Because the Shadow Mirror is not unique in all the Multiverses, there will be a lot of versions of Lamia. In this version, the Super Robot Wars universe has Gone Horribly Wrong after she was unceremoniously killed by Juergen. Axel didn't come back to life, the EFA went downhill after her death, and eventually the Zuvorg Alliance conquered the Earth. Eartth became a battleground/trophy between the Zuvorg Alliance and the Balmars. After seeing how things happened after her death, Lamia, who had developed a soul, lamented that it was her fault that she couldn't protect the ones she cares about, thanks to her death, and that she wasn't strong enough.
The Book of Darkness offered her a chance to redeem herself by gaining new friends and protecting them, but at cost of her past memories, skills, and body. Knowing there would be no return, Lamia eventually accepted and was remolded and christened 'Signum' and given Levantine. With her natural talent, she became the Signum as we know today. Of course, there was a time when Signum grew cynical and cold-hearted after the Book of Darkness kept falling into the hands of abusive masters, and thought that its offer was a lie. But that changed when she met Hayate.
- Moreover, everything since late second season has been a simulation within a simulation run by the Book of Darkness. The purpose of this simulation is to make Hayate's dreams come true in such a way that she thinks she achieved them all herself. Adversity is there for Hayate to triumph over it. That's why none of her many friends ever die and happy endings abound. Meanwhile, the Earth of the first simulation was destroyed.
- If this were so, you'd think she could manage to get a bit more screentime then...
- Nanoha is still the main character. Besides, people who aren't Hayate do not share her protection against suffering, which makes them more interesting for the story and keeps the world becoming too saccharine for Hayate to believe in. It's even possible that Nanoha's wheelchair episode in the flashback only came about to sate Hayate's buried darker impulses so that one of her friends would have to suffer like she had. Meanwhile, Hayate is hanging back directing the troops, casting flashy long-distance magic, and getting the credit for everyone's successes because she's the leader. The Book of Darkness is making sure everything goes according to the script. Vita failed to destroy the generator's shielding because of her extreme fatigue, and the Book of Darkness had to intervene. That's why there was such a delay before the visible cracks appeared.
- It's worth noting that the Lotus-Eater Machine produced by the Book of Darkness in the second season wasn't good at all. Fate wasn't even slightly convinced of the reality of the situation.
- The simulation was unrealistic because it was meant to be a subtle form of torment for Fate, a world where there is nothing to strive for and everything is meaningless and false. The Book of Darkness only allowed Fate to escape an eternity of that because Hayate wanted her back.
- If this were so, you'd think she could manage to get a bit more screentime then...
- Or maybe Hayate is already using the Death Note and most of the 3rd season was influenced by it. See the entry on taking over Midchilda for her possible purposes. And when you think about the deaths of Hayate's superiors, these seem like they didn't need to happen; they didn't do much good for Scallietti, but they furthered Hayate's cause a lot.
- Guys. Book of Darkness. Hello?! Though of course, Rein is a lot cuter than Ryuk.
- Perhaps when the Book of Darkness regenerates it doesn't just appear out of thin air, but instead it converts another book into itself in which case the Book of Darkness is Light's old Death Note. Taking this further that process also caused Reinforce and Ryuk to merge into one being with Reinforce being the most dominant part. Hayate was able to communicate with Reinforce before sufficient pages were collected because of the link she had to Ryuk as the owner of the Death Note.
- This means there's possibly a sleeping Demon God Alicia somewhere...
- There is also the rather remarkable similarities in legends surrounding Alhezard, compared to the ones of the ancient civs of El-Hazard.
- Alternately, the series is set after the first Gurren Lagann Parallel Works video.
- ... so that would make Vivio the God-Empress of Mankind?
- And Heidi Ingvaldt is Warmaster Horus?
- The Sankt Kaiser protects.
- ...Yes. By deh Kaisah YES!! Someone make a fic of this!!!◊
- And Heidi Ingvaldt is Warmaster Horus?
- Meaning that Vivio may be the combination of Queen Serenity and Madokami.
- Considering that the backstory of the Saint Church described Olivie ending the Belkan Wars by sacrificing herself for the good of all, she might just as well be the reincarnation of Madokami.
- Better yet, Hayate = Hayate! Talk about Opposite Sex Clones
- I sure do hope this becomes canon. Vivio needs an equivalent of the MPBM and ECM though... and how will they do that front air-intakes shtick?
- This one seems to be playing out, as the Big Bad of Vivid claims to be a historical figure from the "Saint King era" named Ingvalt. Further, a "Demon Lord" also from that period named Ixpella has shown up (albeit in a coma) after apparently getting Befriended back during the Sound Stages. Vivio calls her Ixy.
- A speculation on what character type/powers Vivio's key opponent may have, corresponding to AC planes:
- Badass Normal/Weak, but Skilled: Canonically, Cipher was using a F-15C Eagle to take down Morgan, the former of which doesn't have any super special weapons. Plus it would be appropriate if Yuuno or Chrono had to smack Vivio down because Nanoha or Fate didn't guide her properly.
- Extreme agility and speed, Fragile Speedster or Lightning Bruiser style: The Wyvern doesn't have any superweapons either, but it is one of the most maneuverable, if not the most, of the AC birds.
- Has only one of Vivio's powers, but a much more refined version: Corresponding to the Falken, with its superior TLS but lacking the MPBM or ECM.
- Beam Spam/Macross Missile Massacre combined with Attack Drones and a modded version of one of Vivio's powers: Corresponding to Ilya Pasternak's Nosferatu and its UAVs, with the Beam Spam/Macross Missile Massacre standing in for the ADMM, the drones substituting for the UAVs and the modded power fitting the railguns acting like a TLS. Plus it would allow this enemy to act as an Evil Counterpart to Nanoha and her Blaster Bits too.
- Invisibility combined with attacking Vivio's power source and "easy" WMD-level blast: Corresponding to the Fenrir's Digital Optic Stealth, High Powered Microwave cannon (which, As You Know, made your bird's fuel explode) and the Long range Shock Wave Missile. It would also give an excuse to bring Hayate into the fight to counter the super-blast.
- You've got it all wrong Cipher is clearly Nanoha. I mean come on he flies around in a blue white plane, is constantly refereed to as a "demon" by his foes who question if he's even human, and faces down his friend in a duel to keep him from doing something terrible with the later realizing after being beaten half to death how wrong he was? Clearly he reincarnated as Nanoha so he could smack some sense into his buddy once more.
- "Fails tragically." Did she really? She sacrificed herself, yes, but would she have been as venerated as a Saint if she had completely failed? I get the impression that while many kingdoms still fell; her example eventually led the way out of the Belkan Dark Age.
- Alternately Ace Combat Belka is an off shot formed from by a splinter faction that was isolated on the planet ages ago, the few magic users eventually died off after founding the nation and propelling it to a prominent position and imparting their concept of "Knighthood" into it's culture.
- So how would you explain Reinforce Zwei's existence?
- The Belkans might not be as powerful as they use to be, but they are by no means a lost race.
- Of course, if we're going by such an angle, the inverse could also be true. See below.
Superman does all these things, but since he's never been properly trained or had a Device, he doesn't manifest the usual magic circle Instant Runes, and his energy power is the eyebeams because he's selftaught and for whatever reason that's how he thinks it should manifest. Instead of the usual flashy external shows of energy, he internalizes it, and his body adapted to deal with the increased stress making him Nigh Invulnerable.
I'm sure someone will notice some of the Gadgets have Brainiac's tri-circle symbol going on, too...
- Superman is Chrono's son who was transported back in time. The reason? Chrono's son is named Carel, which is obviously the original form of "Kal-El".
- Since when on equal footing (if lower) with Signum = not hot in melee? 2 of her upgrades in A's were melee-based (she taught them to Elio later)!
- Did Nanoha fight Signum that much? I think she usually faced Vita, whereas Signum got matched by Fate...
- We know of at least two
duelsbrawls that Nanoha had with Signum, both in the manga. We only catch a glimpse of the first one since Signum only mentioned it as an aside, but we got an entire chapter for the second one. Both ended in a draw after they got into it a wee bit too much and practically tried to kill each other. <<
- We know of at least two
- Did Nanoha fight Signum that much? I think she usually faced Vita, whereas Signum got matched by Fate...
- "Takamichi" is his first name. Death-Specs' last name is "Takahata". "Takamachi" cannot become or be mistaken for "Takahata".
- Nanoha's family real family name are Fuwa or Mikami depending on member, Takamachi is just "cover" name for safety after both clans were mostly wiped out by enemies. So no relation.
- Which members of Nanoha's family have which real family name?
- Miyuki is Fuwa by mother and Mikami by father, others are just Fuwa (Miyuki is adopted - she is daughter of Shiro's sister).
- Flat "What". Is this another of those All There in the Manual things? From a Sound Stage? Or imported from Triangle Heart?
- Imported from Toraha. The game goes a long way to explore Takamachi ancestry, even though from Kyouya's point of view.
- Well. With all this Chinese/Japanese vs Western naming convention and All There in the Manual confusing business, I guess the more you know, the more you realise you don't. Allow me to suggest another, hopefully less foolish theory then:
- Come on, I think we are being too harsh. It's far from unheard of for folks to get the "surname first or last" thing confused, especially since it's not uniform in this series either. Nanoha's is rendered in Japan Takamachi-first, whereas Fate's has the Testarossa in the back on both sides of the language barrier. Plus, there were - and probably still are - people rendering Nanoha's family name as "Takamichi".
- Which members of Nanoha's family have which real family name?
fit her so well. the Sniper: "Because she's bad/she's bad/You know it/Yuuno".Alternately, she can be Wiz Khalifa, because... Yuuno what it is.
- He's working on dealing with the foreseen End of the World as We Know It per Notes. If it can be avoided; that's great. If not, hopefully humanity can survive it. He's got projects for both.
- TSAB was canonically formed by the TSAB High Council (the three brains on life support in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS), but Zeltretch could have played an advisor role to them, kinda like he helped founding the Holy Grail War system.
Shameless copypasta from the AC page.
In the wars that ended the Ancient Belka empire, a cache of their techno-magery was blown across the dimensional void, eventually arriving in the Ace Combat universe to land in Strangereal, where it was scattered, the parts discovered by various nations - hence why you go through protagonists of various nations but all have the high ammo counts - and reverse-engineered. In gratitude, the Belkans, who did not use to be called that, renamed themselves.
Alternatively, the Belkans in the Ace Combat universe are a defeated faction from the Nanoha Belka who chose to cut and run rather than be wiped out, and brought their technology with them. Mingling with the locals, their techno-magery contributed to the high ammo counts and various other technological advancements like the TLS. As they spread across the nations and time went by, though, their violent tendencies returned, leading to the international conflicts of Ace Combat.
In Chapter 99, Mikami tells his secretary that he's going to the scene of a case. It's thus possible that she's somehow related to Genya, at least before his part of the family went to Mid-Childia, but she's a Muggle to the degree that she most likely not only wouldn't know about magic, but doesn't suspect anything about what her boss is doing.
They were both happy couple and even was blessed with Alicia. Alicia's death served as a catalyst of Relius' ambition to create the Perfect Doll, so the clone will be perfect and would surely please Precia. However, when Relius continue to research about how to make a Perfect Doll, for some reason he is thrown to the BlazBlue universe, leaving Precia to continue the research on her own, and had her bitter over Relius that she starts thinking that he didn't exist and claims the research's efforts for herself (Relius also did the same, gets re-married, fathered Carl... and then abuses the hell out of him). This would explain why they seem to be asses to their own kids. Truly a cross-over Unholy Matrimony.
- So what's Noel's connection to Nanoha and Teana? (see "Nanoha will learn Gun Kata and advanced Blaster Bit control" above)
The mad Belkan tech that they were so keen on destroying in Ace Combat Zero? It was sent to Strangereal from Al-Hazard to help them defend against the Ulysses asteroid—too bad it landed in the Grey Men's hands. Basically, Nanoha is set in an Alternate Timeline of the AC games where Pixy killed Cipher, the V2 hit its targets, the Grey Men rebounded from defeat, allied themselves with AWWNB (who wanted a world with no borders... like a world controlled completely by Belka), and together, conquered Osea, Yuktobania, and the rest of Strangereal. Also, unbeknownst to Pixy, the entire data on Al-Hazard tech was carried by the Morgan when he took off, and was extracted and returned to the Grey Men after his victory. Thus, the Belkans not only conquered the world with it and stopped Ulysses, but also found a way to expand to other worlds. Realizing what they've unleashed, Al-Hazard sealed themselves from the rest of the universe, while the Belkans conquered it. Oh, and Pixy was crowned the first Saint King (hence all the Arthurian allusions in Zero).
, about 1 minute in: "What are you going to do?"
"Make some friends."
- Eh, I don't think so. Considering that that is not what Ezio had in mind or what he is referring to when he says that line. And then, of course, there's what happen's to the people Ezio actually does defeat...
- Wouldn't he be Dramatic Ferret?
- This troper always saw it as more like the corrupted Grail himself.
It could be that Cipher actually died (some combat wound, assassination by the Grey Men, or maybe a mundane accident) and that was kept secret. However, his soul reincarnated in a Japanese girl named Nanoha Takamachi. While she didn't inherit his memories, enough of him is left to influence both her Barrier Jacket (the blue trim, not present on the school uniform she used as a template, was his plane's paint scheme) and her combat attitude (befriend people through superior firepower).
Somewhere in Force Nanoha will stumble on Cipher's plane, his memories will return, and she will proceed to smack down the Hückebein's ship, immune to magic, with "her" old F-15C. She can even ask her old friend Pixy to help her out, and maybe even Mobius 1 and the Ghosts of Razgriz.
- See also the various "Nanoha Belka = Ace Combat Belka", "Pixy = first Saint King", and "Grey Men in Nanohaverse" theories above.
- Step 1: Madoka's wishes Witches out of existence. Acends to a Higher Plane Of Existence.
- Step 2: At some point someone wishes for Soul Gems to be housed entirely internally.
- Step 3: A Highly emotional boy gets the chance to make a wish. Does so... but wishes that the powers manifest as something more 'Cool' and 'High Tech' looking...
- Also, the wish messed with reality and caused Madoka to reborn as Nanoha and Homura to reborn as Fate. The real reason why Nanoha fought so hard to befriend Fate, she subconsciously remembered her lover.
- Alternatively, Madokami leaves a lineage of Gods in the material plane to continue her divine guidance. Yes, the most powerful of all the Mages: the Sankt-Kaisers.
- That makes Tohma Avenir stronger than Chuck? He wipes the floor with Nanoha after all.
- NO.
- They share a similar dynamic but their powers and personalities differ somewhat. Funnily, Nanoha and Vita are more direct expies of Weissritter and Alt Eisen respectively and are even paired together as a team frequently, their dynamic is quite different, tough.
Added logic: Nanoha's Determinator was moved into Kamina and Simon, who "befriend" Viral (although he's really stubborn, so it takes multiple "befriendings").
In the years before her sacrifice and thus the end of the Sankt Kaiser Unification Wars, Olivie is known to have been in the middle of a Love Triangle. Well, said triangle was a lot more intense than History records, and Olivie had a child whose father could have been either one of her suiters/lovers. Knowing how having a successor would affect the politics after the war, and in fact could have restarted the war(s) all over again, Olivie determined to keep the existence of the baby from as many people as possible, even her lovers. She placed the child, when he or she was born, in the care of a close aid and met her destiny, being sure to leave enough money and connections to ensure her child and 'mother' could get away from the fallout and still be comfortable. Eventually that child, or that child's child, a boy, wound up being raised by a clan of Archaeologiests, The Scrya's. You can probably see where this is going.
So had history gone differently, Yuuno Scrya's surname would have most likely be Segbrecht, and as such he unknowingly has the strongest claim to the Belkan Throne. If he and Vivio have physicals at the same hospital, and a doctor or nurse starts seeing striking similarities in their respective bloodwork, Yuuno should, due to being older and being a naturally born descendant, expect a few house calls from the Belkan Church, asking if he would like to become Pretender to the Belkan Throne.
- You know, if this gets out, Yuuno could suddenly become the most eligable bachelor in the multiverse: Smart, Kind, good with kids and heir to the throne of the greatest empire in history, albeit the remnants of it. And all of this attention might get Nanoha to actually look at him as a man and not as JUST a friend...
(1) He was definitely a Dirty Young Man. Everyone else in the series has relatively ordinary familiars, and the young Gil Graham goes and summons up... a pair of oversexed catgirl twins.
(2) ...who do you think taught Hayate everything she knows?
Just a wild idea of mine, but if you think about it it can explain a lot of things up to the Unperson-ing of Yuuno. He was in a constant search for artifacts of terrible power since an Improbable Age; his interference changed the destiny of many; he gradually retired from the front line to offer support behind the scene in the form of lore and occult knowledge; he deliberately (maybe) try to remain as inconspicuous as possible, even using his Charms to create an "almost" unnatural lapse of information about him in any records, official or other wise...
- Middle Earth (=Midgard) is Earth.
- Adding support to this: Nanoha's spells are called Divine, and her magic is pink. How much more obvious can you get?
- Still, Madokami is the God-Empress of Magical Girlkind. It is entirely possible that she had a descendant in the material realm, the closest we have to the God-Emperor, the most powerful Mage in the Nanohaverse: The Sankt-Kaiser Vivio.
And now you know why there are so few mages on Earth.
Yes. I've just completely destroyed Nanoha's noble intentions for about one episode. note /人◕ ‿‿ ◕人
Human mages have always been rare; no matter what era or dimension. In one of the old worlds; the war with their neighbors was all but lost. All of their active mages were dead; and while some of their familiars were left; they were about to die/lose sentience without their masters. A few people who were given command altered the familiars. They no longer required masters to exist; they could create multiple bodies, and their job was to create mages and energy to "save their universe." (The re-programmers were dramatic and patriotic) The war had cost most of the adults; and women were more prone to magic than men so they focused on them for logistical purposes. These Familiars would Incubate the next generation of Mages. It was decided that the best way to ensure loyalty would be to program them to be emotionless and be only dedicated to their goal.
The augmented familiars went through the population; and by "forcing" non-mages to cast a Reality Warp even though they don't have Linker Cores (making a Wish); they burned part of their permanent Life Energy into positive and negative energy to create a type of pseudo-Linker Core/Device fusion Cast From HP and the owner's emotional state. Soul Gems. Unlike normal Devices; these did not use computations to protect the owner from being directly linked to Magic.
Magic Users were regained; at terrible cost. Untried in combat; many of the new batch of mages quickly fell. But those who survived fell into despair; and their Soul Gems collapsed. Their despair; running unchecked through the magical channels blasted open by the Reality Warp; turned them into terrible monsters; and the dimensional walls surrounding the old world collapsed.
The familiars, now the Incubators, viewed this as a complete success. The remaining witches were "safe" from the old world's enemies. They left the dimension; to fulfill their programming. To save the universe by creating magical energy.
Worlds visited by the Kyubey often experience massive jumps in technological and magical advancement due to the Reality Warp; sometimes without the social infrastructure to handle this. Often their populations fall to rampant inter-warring sessions or are slaughtered by witches and the world becomes a danger to the dimensions surrounding it, requiring the world to be destroyed or dimensionally quarantined.
The TSAB considers the Kyubey to be Alpha-level threats and they are to be destroyed upon discovery via Arc N Ciel.
- In any universe affected by Madoka's wish; most of this story is still true. Any time the old world lost a battle with its new mages; the opponent could never hold that area for long due to Demons that sprang up due to weakening world walls to the Spirit World (where Summons come from). The Puella Magi could not keep up a war against their countries' enemies and their own Demons; and they died. One of the last Puella Magi of that world made a wish to send all their non-mage population offworld. The Incubators still escaped through their own means. Planetary destruction of worlds visited by them is still possible due to Demons, but far less likely.
- The TSAB is divided on Incubators. While there are some who argue that the wishes possible are worth it; others feel the risk is too great. They have enough problems with Lost Logia; why add Demons? Sometimes they don't have a choice; and feel that having anyone who can fight Demons and Lost Logia is better than having noone who can fight Logia alone.
- Most TSAB believe that the process doesn't create demons, but rather opens gateways to a Layered World where emotional states have physical form. Usually the TSAB prefer to strengthen the dimensional barrier; there is debate on whether relying on beating physical manifestations of negative emotions is healthy; as it bypasses people and society from naturally addressing their own issues.
- Most Administrated Worlds ban Incubators; and the few that allow them (usually due to critical low mage population) have it very regulated. Incubators are not allowed to contract anyone without permission from the TSAB; and contractees are briefed by experts on how to make and word their wishes (even better if the TSAB can "buy" a wish by using their resources to accomplish the goal instead. The wish can then be used for less emotional goals; thus giving a better chance of a favorable result). "Puella Magi" Mages have regular psychological check-ups; and many are assigned professional teams ("Hope-Givers") to keep their spirits up. Every last one are, of course, employed by the TSAB. Attempts have been made, with no success, to restore Soul Gems to a Puella Magi's soul; or to modify Soul Gems with Devices and/or traditional familiars.
The Incubators are unchecked on Non-Administrated Worlds.
- If they go with Miyuki as the protagonist, the Takamachi women (including possible in-laws) may get the limelight. There could even be something made out of Shinobu's original vampirism or Fiasse's idol career if it ever gets brought back up in some fashion.
- If Kyouya is the protagonist, there may be a focus on the Takamachi men instead. Shirou's old assassin job may be a plot point. If they end up adding sidelined males from the Nanoha-verse, this would be an easy way to shunt them into a world where they can be relevant and not upstaging the main cast.
