- Since they apparently take place in the same universe, many Artifacts are Orphans.
- Claudia is a Klagen, having broken through from her brother's disappearnce, while H.G. Wells is either a Grimm or a Neid.
The interesting part are the Igors. They serve these Geniuses (and many others) and in fact do most of the actual mechanical work for the more out-of-touch ones, yet they are obviously not Beholden, as evidenced by their forming a cohesive clan which commands loyalty from them overriding that to their masters, and them being sane enough never to be there when the Genius finally loses it completely and the inevitable Torches and Pitchforks wielding mob arrives. They also have their own weird branch of science/philosophy based on surgery and primitive genetic theories that builds on a common base but varies from Igor to Igor.
So I propose that the Igors are a whole clan of Geniuses, most likely Staunen Progenitors, and almost certainly Unmada, who have found a way to cheat Havoc by somehow essentially creating a universe-wide, self-sustaining bardo for themselves that actually managed to replace their original universe. They also retained enough sanity to be able to hide their Inspiration and actually convince other, much more dangerous Geniuses that they are Beholden to them to further their own goals. Whenever a Discworld scientist has a Breakthrough, there will be an Igor there to help them with their project and generally be their Butt-Monkey, but at the end, the "marthter" invariably faces the mob alone, and the Igor gets to make off with the most promising body parts.
- To explain more clearly: while the Igor clan is numerous, it's not omnipresent, so their combined Unmada Fields can't reshape the thoughts of the entirety of the Disc. But they are strong enough to cause a significant amount of the Discworld's non-Genius population to believe in their "science", which then invariably gets disproved. This all happened in the far past of the Disc and the resulting Maniac Storm created the bardo, which fed from the Mania of the Igors and somehow managed to replace the original Disc.
Loompaland is a Bardo of all of the deepest Darkest Africa stuff that got disproved once we had explored it properly.
His father from the 2005 film is one too.
- Automata 5: Factories capable of producing Wonders. The prosecution rests.
- Also, maybe he's an Artificer? He doesn't seem to want much more than simply making the stuff...
- The stuff Wonka told the kids about paying the Oompa-Loompas in cacao beans is a cover story. They actually moved to his factory because it's a kind of "pocket bardo" where they can live and be well supplied with Mania while still being safe from the more dangerous Loompaland manes.
- Charlie is a pre-Breakthrough Genius. None of the other kids are, though, so their messing around inside the factory triggered Havoc and caused the various disasters that picked them off. This was the point of the Golden Ticket chase.
- Not only that, she is THE Unmada, who's field of effect encompasses at least the Milky Way (aliens) and possibly the all of existence, since her field of effect can affect timelines, such as the unending summer arc.
- Or its possible the whole show takes place in Bardo resembling suburban Japan, she's the only inspired around, and literally holding everything together due to her mania output.
- So, does this mean Zeke and what's-her-name are going to be sprouting some fangs and draining the pseudo-knowledge of the innocent in a couple weeks?
- Zeke already had Havoc turn him into Bender.
- The Joker is most likely an Illuminated. Possibly either Grimm or Neid.
- Definitely Neid; getting your skin bleached in a freak accident (or getting a Glaswegian Grin) doesn't exactly lend itself to rage about the state of the world.
- To my eyes, the Joker could even be a really, really twisted Staunen. He does it because he loves watching people's reactions...
- Except that Catalysts concern themselves with a Genius's Breakthrough — falling in acid (or other physical trauma) doesn't exactly scream "Curious" to me. And just look at how he reacts in Return of the Joker; he gets downright furious when subjected to Terry's epic mockery. Low Composure and buried-mind technology fit fairly well into the Neid mold.
- I agree that the acid bath version definitely doesn't suit Staunen, and I'm not familiar with all the versions- your points make a lot of sense.
- The Joker is the definition of a multiple choice past. He could be a Neid, Grimm or Staunen depending on what the ST wanted.
- Definitely Neid; getting your skin bleached in a freak accident (or getting a Glaswegian Grin) doesn't exactly lend itself to rage about the state of the world.
- Better yet — the Joker is an Unmada Mane.
- Wait, do you mean Batman is Unmada and the Joker (and presumably the rest of Batman's Gallery) are his manes? Batman is so screwed up that his manes keep him mad by tormenting him... Because if you do then you are a Genius! (Heaven help you.)
- I would say that I hate to burst your bubble, but I enjoy the opportunity. I am a Hoffnung. Unlike my more boring compatriots, however, I LIKE watching my toys fiddled with. All the pretty modern art my Wonders make is so inspiring... thEy REallY PuT a SMiLe oN YuoR FACe.
- The Riddler is also a genius, and he is a Hoffnung.
- More likely he a Neid. He wants to prove to everyone how brilliant he is. Thats classic Neid.
- I'd be willing to bet that he's a Hunter.
- Probably an early member of Task Force Valkyrie.
- Rather, Calvin might be a very strong Unmada. The way he shifts in and out of reality and dislike for things that don't fit his world view are definite proof of it. Hobbes is likely his oldest Mane (and, being a Mane, still untamed), but by far not his only one.
- If the Evil League of Evil is not a Lemurian group then I don't know what it is. Bad Horse is obviously an Inspired Mane. Captain Hammer could well be a Navigator. Being a jerk does not preclude membership after all.
- Captain Hammer is obviously a Clockstopper. His views on science and how the ray guns react around him support this.
- His rants about how the world sucks and he would do better fit with a Hoffnung, maybe he just gained some XP (which he put into Inspiration) and lost a lot of Obligation, and failed an Unmada check of course.
- He drives to invent to show off to Penny, and thinks of social change as an AFTERTHOUGHT to showing the world he's right. I think Neid is a closer fit.
- On second thought "Brand New Day" is the failure of an Unmada check, while "Slipping" refers to his Obligation score. While the final song is when he goes full-blown Illuminated.
- Whoa.
- Or conversely, the Machines are a single giant mane (or possibly a whole race of manes). The "energy" they harvest from the humans of the Matrix is not conventional physical energy (which could be generated more efficiently in any number of ways) but Mania (which can only be generated by active sapient minds). Being in the dreamworld, the humans cannot interact with the machines to trigger Havoc. All redpills are low-level Geniuses (which is what lets them break out), and most of both sides' tech is Wonder-based.
- Batman.
- Spider-Man (even if the Mages tried to claim him as one of theirs at one point).
- Reed Richards and Victor von Doom.
- Iron Man
- Lex Luthor
- Amadeus Cho
- Mister Sinister.
- The Ghostbusters
- Doctor Insano
- Dr Robotnik/Eggman is a Grimm specializing in Automata and Skafoi, most likely a lone Artificer or Lemurian Atomist. Shadow and Omega are also orphaned Wonders.
- Whereas Tails is either a Hoffnung or Klagen Artificer, depending on the the series.
- Dr Wily and Dr Light. Wily is probably a Lemurian Phenomenologist — explaining how he keeps fooling everyone with his blatant lies. And possibly Clown Man.
- Light, at least the version portrayed by The Protomen, is very obviously Klagen.
- Gru (and/or possibly Dr Nefario) and Vector.
- Maybe not Vector, I got the impression that he bought most of his gadgets with his dad's money.
- Megamind
- Dr. Weil is a Grimm Illuminated specializing in Automata and Katastrofi. Copy X, Omega (who is using another Wonder's original body) and Ragnarok are his most prominent Wonders. Ciel, on the other hand, is a Hoffnung Paragon, and the Resistance she establishes is primarily made up of Wonders, as well as a few fellow Geniuses/Beholden.
- David Xanatos and/or Anton Sevarius.
- Professor Layton is a classic Staunen, solving problems for the shear joy of doing so. But it seems his Axioms are mostly Skafoi, from the improvised vehicles he cobbles together, as well as the Laytonmobile, and Katastrophi, from the slot-machine gun. It seems that he has the Kitbasher merit as well.
- Mr. House displays textbook Hoffnung qualities, with a personal specialty in Automata. He also has a lot of points in Apokalipsi, Exlexi, and possibly Katastrofi. He almost completely ignored Skafoi (I'm looking at you, unicycle robots).
- The Question. Based on his obsessive tendency to seek the truth, and his willingness to murder to avert catastrophe, he's probably a Klagen, and possibly an Unmada.
- All three Eds: Eddy's probably a Hoffnung or Neid (he's narcissistic & selfish but also needs to "show them all!!"), Edd's a Neid focused on Kitbashed Wonders (Only Sane Man, pessimistic), and Ed is a Staunen and possible Unmada (Reality acts funniest around him, and if anybody is gonna call things cool, it'll be Ed, regardless of appropriateness). Their scams are in fact Wonders, and Havoc is the reason they always fail.
- Darkwing Duck: He has shades of Grimm and Neid and pinpointing his Catalyst isn't easy due to his Multiple-Choice Past. Additionally he could also be a Klagen, which reveals itself, when he throws all his obligations out of the window (as when Gosalyn disappeared, which led to him establishing a dictatorship over St. Canard). It is worth noting that Gosalyn is the only reason he bothers to have a civilian Secret Identity in the first place, allowing him to keep his obligations high. It could be that he doesn't even realises he is a Genius, as he is more obsessed about fighting crime than inventing stuff. His other Beholden Launchpad can utilise some of his inventions better than he himself. Honker could be a Genius by himself, probably Staunen. Darkwing is a free Agent of S.H.U.S.H. which seems to be a Navigator branch.
- Dr. Nefarious, and with his obvious stupidity he's running solely on Mania. Lombaxes very well might be born Inspired, but Ratchet's Wonders thus far have been highly failure-prone. The Zoni as well, though their attempt at sharing Wonders with an unInspired species resulted in a moratorium on time travel.
For more evidence that this is the WoD, look no further than the (former) SCP-083, a Vampire. SCP-073 may also be a Promethean. Not to mention that The World Is Always Doomed if the Foundation ever let certain subjects escape.
- That means most living SCPs would be Manes, yes?
- The Reality-warpers are obviously Unmada, but other than that, most likely. With a few exceptions for higher-level AI in a few cases.
- Add "Anything made with Epikrato
5" to the list of Things Doctor Bright Is Not Allowed To Touch. - Kondraki, and Kain Pathos Crow are geniuses as well. 'Draki made SCP-515, and Crow made his Eggwalker and an entirely new being, whom he uses as an assistant.
- Clef is, going off his own words following the "Dreamer" termination, a very powerful Mage (most likely Acanthus, given his mastery of the Fate Arcanum; he does know Counterspell Prime, though.) who Awakened young.
- The events of the Theli Crisis make Fish a Genius with at least Apokalypsi 1/Automata 4/Epikrato 3/Skafoi 5, and absolutely no problem with experimenting on his own daughter (maybe a Progenitor?).
- The Church of the Broken God and Are We Cool Yet? probably qualify as well.
- And one cannot forget dado. Probably a Hoffnung, and almost certainly unmada. We could also interpret his difficulty communicating as at least partially the result of Jabir.
- Dr. Lovecraft, the scientist who developed the pseudo-telepathic process for controlling avatars, is described as being a little unhinged, not to mention all the human and animal rights abuses he committed in his experiments.
- Dee Dee isn't spiteful enough to be a Clockstopper.
- She's just a mere mortal who has somehow avoided becoming beholden, and she keeps unintentionally causing Havoc.
- If built using the game's rules, Jimmy must have gained a massive amount of experience points at some time, if the rank 5 stuff he uses almost casually (using a time machine to settle an argument in history class, a portable resurrection device, etc.) is any indication. Must have been all of those movies he starred in- being the hero of a movie is worth more XP than a normal episode, right?
Topher Brink is a Staunen working on the project and Adelle DeWitt is a Beholden working for the Genius behind the project.
- ToonTown
- MundusMagicus
- Oz
- Neverland
- Wonderland
- Jumanji
- Gensokyo - it's an odd one though because the manes helped make it, for themselves. In fact, in 12.3, Suwako says to Sanae, "You're not a mortal, you're a physical god, a miracle worker!" To me, that sounds exactly like a Genius or a Mage.
- Equestria
- Danville
- TV Tropes - and we're all either Geniuses or Beholden. Ever wonder why TV Tropes ruins lives? It's the power of Inspiration.
- Ever wondered why after spending years on TVTropes, your lives are suddenly starting to seem more story-like? Why all the people around you are seemingly obeying predictable dramatic patterns? Why nothing surprises you anymore? You are becoming Unmada. Reality around you becomes TVTropes reality.
- Elder Tale - But not it's not its own Bardo, but a subsection of The Grid.
- Tomorrowland is about a futuristic city residing in alternate dimension.
I mean, most of the tech in 40k is just impossible. So, somehow, everything in the entire universe just got exposed to some sort of wonder, and thus, caused them all to turn into geniuses. The main problem is what happened to everyone else in the World Of Darkness universe/40k universe, like the vampires, werewolves, changlings... Hey...Wait. Oh shit, I think I just found out what the warp is.... IT'S FREAKING ARCADIA!
- Sanguinus was embraced while in the Warp/Arcadia, so the Vampires somehow got there, Chaos Space Marines could probably count as Changelings by now!
- As for the "some sort of wonder" part, I'm thinking that when the God-Emperor of Mankind took over, he used his influence to forcibly convert everyone into either geniuses or beholden.
- And not a science-comedy programme as most people think.
- A Miracle of Science: Gave us the term Science-Related Memetic Disorder, Mars either really is sane and just really smart due to the gestalt or is an Unmada, if not for the fact that it seems to actually care about people it could be an Illuminated with millions of host bodies.
- Though wonders are frequently reverse-engineered and mass-produced, such as the orbital cannons.
- A massive Mania storm at some point in the past removed or lessened the effects of havoc. Likely lessened, which is why they had to "recalibrate" the orbital cannons: they had to bring in a "rocovering" or undercover mad scientist with high enough Katastrofi and Skafoi
- Though wonders are frequently reverse-engineered and mass-produced, such as the orbital cannons.
- Girl Genius: Everyone is a Genius, Beholden, or Wonder, there's even a couple inspired wonders (the prime Dingbots, Baron Wulfenbach).
- Some have even speculated that it is the original timeline.
- Narbonic: Dave might be a Beholden who catalyzed. Helen is an old-style Progenitor (as is her mother), Lupin Madblood is a automata specialist, etc.
- Skin Horse is about a government agency that helps Orphans, not to mention that the staff includes a transgenic superdog, a zombie, a clockwork ex- Killer Robot and a Brain in a Jar in a helicopter. Tip might be a Director, would explain a lot.
- Schlock Mercenary: Kevyn specializes in skafoi and automata, and took up katastrofi as a hobby. Elf might have dots in prostasia and apokalypsi. Para Ventura is exclusively an automata specialist.
- Sluggy Freelance: Riff prefers katastrofi but he obviously knows a lot of skafoi and dabbles in automata and prostasia.
- Freefall: Dr Bowman, created sapient red wolves and then unleashed them on the world. Florence, one of said wolves, restored a spaceship with holes in it in less than a week with no budget, was assigned to a research station two systems away to work on an FTL project (in a world where interstellar travel is anything but routine), tends to alter the personalities of those around her, wants to dissassemble the sun (if only it wasn't one of her sanest moments). Dvorak, robot made using Bowman's designs, invented carnivorous waffle irons, replaced another robot's legs with a sled pulled by said irons with nuclear jet packs, is trying to convert Redwoods to nuclear power...
- Bowman has Automata 5. QED. Yay us. Also, Flo has Exelixi because she fixed stuff Sam had broken.
- Actually I did see the Freefall WMG page, though I'm not sure Flo is an Artificer (maybe a Navigator or Scholastic). Bowman is probably a Hoffnung Progenitor and Dvorak seems to be a Staunen Artificer.
- If Sam is a Walking Techbane it's probably because in most of the future timelines mere mortals stop causing havoc and wonders become commonplace, Sam is from a 19th-century level world so he would cause havoc when handling future human technology.
- Hypothesis: Bowman's creations were made at Automata 4 (except the factories which have to be rank 5) and were immediately orphaned, neural pruning represents how 10-50 year old orphans go up one rank, one of Florence's mutations caused her to become Inspired and the robots love her because of her mania. And maybe the dream machines are generators that the robots draw their daily mania from.
- The only alternative is that Jean is a bardo and the robots are manes built by rank 4 factories.
- Bowman has Automata 5. QED. Yay us. Also, Flo has Exelixi because she fixed stuff Sam had broken.
- Precocious: Those kids might not have broken through yet, but they will.
- The Whiteboard: Doc and Roger, the only problem is that the others don't act like Mere Mortals (take the wonders in stride, eventually), Geniuses (little if any inspiration), or Beholden (why do you think Swampy ends up stapled to the ceiling so often).
- They live in an isolated town in Alaska. Perhaps there was a Mania storm, and the town was turned into a Bardo, and all the inhabitants are either Mere Mortals learning to cope (the faceless humans), or manes generated by the Bardo (all the anthro characters). This Mania Storm would have taken place just before the comics beginning, as evidenced by the growing number of anthros.
- Alternate theory: Doc is an Unamada and roger was his Beholden, since catalyzed himself. All the anthro characters are Doc's Manes (or at very least, all the shop employees, and Jinx).
- Doc's most likely a Grimm Artificer specializing in katastrofi, with some skafoi (such as his truck and those jets), his homemade 'dew and coffee are probably capacitors or generators. Roger is a Staunen as far as I can tell and seems to be working on prostasia and exelixi
- Umlaut House: The spy guild are most likely Peerage agents who use a lot of integral wonders. Most of the "evil" scientists are unmada but judging from Rick, Peggy, and Saundra it is easier than usual to become "sane" again. And the prevalence of "eye-fi's" (integral apokalypsi) indicate that this is one of those futures where mere mortals don't cause havoc.
- In addition Rick's gender-bender ray is metaptropi, peggy coils and time portals are skafoi, prosthetics are exelixi, and Ascii is a rank-five automata who became unmada when he turned off his emotions (I think he still is, his Obligation's just a bit higher).
- The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob!: Jean, Molly, Galatea, Dean Martin. Molly and Golly are also automata or manes.
- Dan and Mab's Furry Adventures: Jyrras accidentally created life at least twice (a magical construct and a robot) and his gadgets have the potential to start a technological revolution. Probably a Hoffnung Progenitor or Artificer, the "fictionalized" version of him in Wildy's "Janus Bond" novel acts more like a Neid.
- Original Life: Abigail, though given that she's something like six and a lot of her "inventions" use legos it can be hard to tell when she's actually breaking the laws of nature or just imagining it.
- Genocide Man: Dr. Tatsushiro Fumiaki, he's created a tribe of empathic blonde eskimos, a superintelligent AI with a life expectancy of five minutes who ended up committing suicide by crashing a bunch of airplanes, a herd of giant sloth/cattle hybrids with human brains, among other unseen abominations against nature. And if that isn't enough to convince you there's his big entrance at the end of chapter 8.
- A.I.s are presumably Automata with a flaw that gives them a limited lifespan, inversely proportional to their mental stats, before they mutate and kill themselves. The one that created Dahnai evidently became Illuminated before self-destructing, and she was the catalyst to Fumiaki's breakthrough.
- And then there's the revelation that the nutty geneticist we all know and love is an AI created by the original Tatsu in an attempt to make a stable AI.
- The Genocide Men are a bit complicated, their Genocide Cases do most of the work of making designer plagues (probably katastrofi), so maybe low-level Geniuses with several integral wonders and a portable factory?
- A.I.s are presumably Automata with a flaw that gives them a limited lifespan, inversely proportional to their mental stats, before they mutate and kill themselves. The one that created Dahnai evidently became Illuminated before self-destructing, and she was the catalyst to Fumiaki's breakthrough.
- Nukees: Gav is a Grimm, Danny's a Staunen, and Luca's just plain crazy.
- Pretty much immediately Jossed by the corebook itself — there were about three famous people who were Geniuses: Hooke, Tesla, and Leonardo. The fact that we're able to say that Freud was misinterpreted and that he'd gotten several things wrong is kind of a point against his being Inspired.
- On the other hand, the corebook says that those three were the only confirmed Geniuses; all but Leonardo belonged to a Foundation or Baramin, and so were easily documented. Freud might have been an isolated Genius, perhaps never even knowing what he was. Furthermore, any discredited theories of Freud's don't mean that he couldn't have been a Genius; the core of Inspired existence is that they can create things that shouldn't work, but do. Reality is beside the point. Rather, the fact that Freud got anything right is better evidence that he was a mere mortal.
- Well, the confirmed ones GOT things right.
- Pretty much immediately Jossed by the corebook itself — there were about three famous people who were Geniuses: Hooke, Tesla, and Leonardo. The fact that we're able to say that Freud was misinterpreted and that he'd gotten several things wrong is kind of a point against his being Inspired.
- Except that Thule Revanchists favor Exelixi as well...
- What? Was The Engineer too sane? He builds teleport pads by whacking them repeatedly with a wrench!
- The Soldier is a Unmada with low intelligence; while he mostly ignores his Genius abilities, his madness is obvious, his Rocket Jumps work due to his Unmada Field, and he has produced a few wonders, such as his robot "disguise". The Heavy, who, while obviously insane, is actually quite intelligent, specialises in Exelixi (his strength and durability, as well as The Sandvich; he might also have modified his guns, explaining why he does not want others to touch his guns. While the Spy's gadgets are not of his own invention, they seem to be Metaptropi Wonders - and considering that the Spy does not seem to trigger Havoc, he might actually be a (lazy) Genius, most probably a Phemenologist.
If the Lemurians are to be believed. The Lemurians say that in the previous timeline, geniuses, unfettered by morality or concern for their fellow man, made sport of humanity, tearing the world apart with wars.
Sounds like Girl Genius to me. Evidently things got better at one point, or humanity destroyed itself and that was a net positive for the cosmos. Lets say things got better eventually.
- Hoffnung: white — order, world domination.
- Staunen: blue — curiosity.
- Neid: black — extreme cynisism.
- Grimm: red — passion, anger, and destructive potential.
- Klagen: green — desire to protect.
- Black Hat Guy could easily be another, more evil Lemurian, although I'm not sure what baramin or catalyst he'd be.
- White Hat Guy doesn't seem to be a Genius as far as we see, but his attitudes could represent things Randall doesn't like about some other Lemurians.
- Beret Existentialist might be a rogue and is definitely a very powerful Staunen unmada (he cares too much to be an Illuminated, though).
- Alternatively, he's not a Genius but a different kind of supernatural creature from the World of Darkness. No idea what, though: anyone know of any HumanoidAbominations in the WoD who aren't unrepentantly evil? Preferably with the possibility of having infinitely long wings?
- Megan is probably a rogue or maybe even an Artificer (there's a comic I'd like to link to that provides evidence of her being a Genius, but I can't find it).
- In addition her breakdown in "Party of One" was her failing an Unmada check. Her "new friends" were manes, and "Rocky" fell apart when Rainbow Dash touched him due to Havoc.
- On that note, Fluttershy was on the verge of a Breakthrough during the events in Best Night Ever. The various traps she built were all pre-wonders without enough Mania to actually work. She managed to supress her rising Inspiration by the end of the episode, but for how long? It's only a matter of time before something causes her to have another psychotic break, at which point she'll catalyze into a full-blown genius - probably Klagen. The Stare is also powered by Mania (Epikrato, to be specific), but she can't control when it happens because she's not an actual genius yet.
He's obviously a Director or some manner of Lemurian. And for all his talk of building robots his true talent is in Epikrato, just look at his fans.
On a related note, the reason there's no time travel in the show despite Rick having a box of time travel stuff is because he inspired the entry on "Really Stupid Time Travel" and is embarassed about it. The whole thing about a death ray and a bottle of Tequila is too specific not to be Rick.
It seems like that he was far more experienced with engineering and mechanics, likely rendering him as being focused on Automata and Katastrofi (as Axis appears to be his best invention, and the wide variety of robots seen throughout the Steamworks [which are not to be confused as being Wonders, it simply means that he was exposed to other robotic creations to help inspire and further develop his knowledge of Automata]). And after being fired from the Steamworks, he attempted to delve into Elelixi for the Serum... Only for it to fail thanks to his inexperience and a dramatic failure at a biological upgrade.
Thanks to his nature as a Genius, his presence around Ceroba and especially her viewing his tapes ended up nearly rendering her as a Beholden and amplifying her need to continue his legacy. Though thanks to her Boss Monster physiology and support from friends, she was able to avoid being completely made into one.
The main reason why Axis didn't mutate drastically after the Steamworks were shut down, and why havoc hadn't caused more issues, is because of the advanced technology shown throughout the Underground (such as Mettaton's mechanical body, the CORE, and again, the other robots of the Steamworks) and the various forms of magic within Undertale's setting (such as the Monster's Magic and the abilities demonstrated by the Human Souls) managing to somewhat mitigate havoc by keeping the gap between the possible and impossible from being as wide as in Chronicles of Darkness.
If he had survived, he would have likely become Illuminated thanks to the lack of support and understanding of Geniuses in the Underground, becoming a greater danger to his family.
- My eyes, the Goggles Do Nothing!
- Natural Body Does Not Work That Way. Hungry Emptiness is the one that makes it near-impossible to think.
- I think that's intended to mean "Doesn't bear thinking about."
- It's confusingly worded and it's referring to the wrong Void. How does that make it better?
- It's not referring to the wrong Void. Just think for a minute- maxed Natural Body destroys all nearby technology. Clothes are technology. Thus, maxed Natural Body makes everyone's clothes fall off. I'd've preferred not to have to go this explicit, but I'm sure that's what he meant. Simple misunderstanding, no?
- No. Mostly because Natural Body isn't an area of effect. It might make the Clockstopper's clothes disintegrate, but that's a tad less "pass the Brain Bleach" and more "oh god oh god run for your life he's going to KILL YOU." Purify the Wounded Earth is the one that causes technology to fail, and that just means that clothes would offer no meaningful protection. Oh, and that the Clockstopper could disintegrate your clothes with an act of will. Violently. (Further, look at the sample characters; Walking Man has Natural Body 5 and yet his modus operandi involves disguise and personal interaction. People aren't liable to listen to a ranting naked guy. I think we can safely class clothing under the "fails" category rather than the "breaks" category.)
- OK, that makes sense, but what constitutes "failure" for clothing? Part of the purpose is to conceal bodies...
- That's a secondary function. Presumably it just gets treated like vaporwear as far as insulative and protective purposes go.
- I think that's intended to mean "Doesn't bear thinking about."
- Well there are Over Nine Thousand of them...
- Well I have a few:
- The Terminals are attempting to make themselves exist again, The Terminals and The Cold Ones are a cyclic phenomenon that exist as Geniuses exist, then Clockstopers exist, as the nature of humanity inverts. From the perspective of "real" time both events exist on top of each other. From a time travellers perspective you can see one replace the other, but not the reverberations of time as they would cancel you out. (Made more sense in my head)
- Except that the Terminals
don't exist anymore won't existdo not, have not, and never will exist/ed thanks to those reptilian jackasses from Lemuria and Clockstoppers have nothing to do with the Cold Ones. - Ah but if the first half of the theory is true then the second half follows naturaly (ie they exist because the latter do). In any case the Terminals Do-Never-Have-Existed, there is no reason why they can't Never-Can-Have-Be-Happening again.
- The Terminals don't existed anymore. The only way we know they were ever there is because the Guardians of Forever and other time-travellers who encountered them remember. There will have been numerous attempts to re-establish the Terminals. They've all failed. It's one of the oddities of the current time travel "settings." There is nothing to suggest the Terminals had any direct fundamental correlation with the Cold Ones besides keeping them from screwing around with time in the original timeline.
- Except that the Terminals
"(Made more sense in my head)"- Please don't destroy anything of value in your Breakthrough.
- Inspiration created itself. It is trickling back through time from humanities transhumanist future, when all humanity has it, to the past. It exists in direct opposition to the supernatural forces acting on humanity, such as Mages and Vampires. Just as Werewolves are the natural defence of Gia Geniuses are the natural defence of Humanity. And I think this might be the scariest of my ideas.
- Werewolves aren't the natural defense of Gaia in this game; I think that was back in Apocalypse.
- There is a separate extradimensional entity for each Axiom. The ones closest to humanity (the ones with the core Axioms) are also the ones that have affected humanity the most. The can also be viewed via the five elements, Air all seeing like Apokalypsi, Earth is constantly changing from one form to another like Metaptropi, Fire is destructive like Katastrofi, Water heals like Exelixi and Wood grows, warps and poisons like Epikrato.
- You sure Metaptropi wouldn't be Water and Exelixi Wood?
- What? Really? Why would Water (an interesting molecule to be sure) trump Earth when it comes to change? The constant warping and alternation of the Earth's crust, the tens of thousands of different high energy chemical reactions that take place alone, never mind the fact that the entire face of the Earth is moving and is made up of highly reactive and volatile elements. And minds are inherently part of Wood, minds are living things after all. Water is perhaps the most difficult to pin but I do feel that Exelixi is the best fit.
- Water is dynamic. It changes. It comes in many forms. Earth, meanwhile, as a Platonic concept, is generally considered the steady-state of the bunch; you'd be hard-pressed to equate Earth-as-element with the ever-shifting Axiom of Change — most of those reactions fall under the domain of Fire or Water. Wood, meanwhile, is all about growth, all about improvement, all about "All Things Strive." If we're going with the Exalted-type element set, I'd say Earth fits Epikrato better; Earth-as-element imposes itself on its surroundings — witness the effects of a hill on a rolling stone, or a wall on a speeding cart. Earth Controls things in ways that are both subtle and overt.
- Pardon me for assuming that a Mad Science concept would follow Scientific rather than supersitious reasoning. (Please note the massive hypocrisy in that statement is deliberate, this is a game of MAD science after all.)
- Natural Philosophy. (Ah, brevity…)
- The Terminals are attempting to make themselves exist again, The Terminals and The Cold Ones are a cyclic phenomenon that exist as Geniuses exist, then Clockstopers exist, as the nature of humanity inverts. From the perspective of "real" time both events exist on top of each other. From a time travellers perspective you can see one replace the other, but not the reverberations of time as they would cancel you out. (Made more sense in my head)
- Inspiration is part of the reproductive cycle of some sort otherworldly entity that uses Genii to reproduce. This explains why wonders can eventually become Orphans, which are mini-Eldritch Abominations.
- …Which can themselves become Inspired. What then?
- Well, Eldritch Abominations are probably not too concerned about incest.
- More asexual reproduction than incest, actually.
- Well a Genius is required for the process. That does make it sexual in a weird sort of way.
- The Eldritch Abomination is none other than Autocthon, this assumes that the idea that Exalted is the pre-history of The World of Darkness (or possibly vice-versa) is true.
- Autocthon is an almost-Bardo.
- The Eldritch Abomination could be a knowledge spirit, or even several (who dont even need to be as powerful as Phragdrk in that case).
- Here's one. I don't know much about Mage, but perhaps Inspiration is the Fallen World trying to "regenerate" a new Supernal realm? That might explain why Havoc is similar to Paradox, but isn't triggered by mortals seeing the Wonder; it's because this new source of magic is better integrated with the Fallen World. It would also explain why geniuses can't talk about science with mages; it's the two realms coming into conflict.
- Havoc is a problem with the tech. Paradox is a problem with reality. (More specifically, it's what you get from two different realities trying to reconcile themselves.) And here's another possible reason: Geniuses represent an archetype that a lot of really bad stuff also happens to replicate. There's at least three different Abyssal entities that cause Mad Scientist behavior, the idigam's Essence-shaping powers are regularly used in ways that would make Mengele cringe, and the less said about the truly archetypal mad scientists the better. And then you have to remember that Mages are very concerned with getting humanity out of the Lie. The theory behind a Genius's Wonders is a fundamental misrepresentation of how the Fallen World actually works. If your powers work by lying about the way the world operates, you are going to get the people who care about Truth pissed off at you.
- That actually explains perfectly why Mages don't trust Geniuses! ...on that note, I gotta wonder what would happen if a Genius discovers the Nemesis Continuum. Probably something very bad.
- The abyssal incursion would occur, however as a Bardo. Any abyssal entities that show up would be Manes.
- Unmada fields might be a safty meachanism to prevent geinuses from discovering the Nemisis Continuum. In any case, if a new Supernal Realm is being generated by the universe, then it's probably Gone Horribly Wrong at some point, possibly being hijacked by the Abyss... (I also might point out that each individual geinus is trying to impose his own reality onto the world, which is where Havoc comes from).
- That interpretation of Havoc is contradicted by one very important thing: Manes. Things that were never made can suffer from Havoc. A time-traveller can suffer from Havoc. And the idea that leaking Inspiration is the result of attempting to block a single specific phenomenon from a completely separate game's supplement is a tad overdependent on crossover.
- Havoc is a problem with the tech. Paradox is a problem with reality. (More specifically, it's what you get from two different realities trying to reconcile themselves.) And here's another possible reason: Geniuses represent an archetype that a lot of really bad stuff also happens to replicate. There's at least three different Abyssal entities that cause Mad Scientist behavior, the idigam's Essence-shaping powers are regularly used in ways that would make Mengele cringe, and the less said about the truly archetypal mad scientists the better. And then you have to remember that Mages are very concerned with getting humanity out of the Lie. The theory behind a Genius's Wonders is a fundamental misrepresentation of how the Fallen World actually works. If your powers work by lying about the way the world operates, you are going to get the people who care about Truth pissed off at you.
- Inspiration is Inspiration. It defies understanding.
- Which is still the explicit definition of Eldtritch Abominations. Now I know that just because A is defined and B is undefined does not mean A=B, but does rationality and logic even apply here?
- Inspiration is what the Sons of Ether contributed to the new universe in Mage's "Good" ending!
- Inspiration is a refined form of the Divine Fire, but refined into a form unlike human souls. The Inspired are the only supernatural splat who can create Prometheans without optional rules, there's got to be some connection. Perhaps a Genius is channeling wild ideas from the Mind of God.
- Inspiration is just that: a memetic drive to understand and build as much as possible, implanted into pleasing recipients by the God-Machine. An Illuminated is nothing less than a human-turned-substitute-angel, with their bizarre schemes being unknowing occult matrices. All the inventions a Genius makes are actually scientifically possible, it's just that the run on very arcane ones only the G-M is aware of and not like their own pet aesthetics at all. They're just frames of reference they can understand (hence, Jabir-it's the only way a Genius can understand what he does, and it's only on a subconscious, intuitive level). Havoc is simply the largest Concealment and Elimination Infrastructure ever, preventing the sane from inquiring too deeply into the G-M's business and accidentally creating another Mechanist, and Unmada Fields are unfortunate but occasionally useful computer viruses that cause constant and subtle (or...not so subtle) adjustments of the world by the G-M's autonomous processes. It's unknown what it seeks to accomplish through the Inspired's existence-part of that scheme was getting the Terminals out of its way, but still...
- Inspiration is the result of the God-Machine's tampering, as its occult matrices and calculations subtly break reality. This breaking allows Mania into the world, and the Inspired are simply those that are most sensitive to this. The fact that Inspiration is contagious would cast an interesting light on the God-Machine itself, really.
The Inspiration is actually a weird limbo between being a mortal and being Awakened, Awake enough that they can use magic but not enough to accept it's existence as fact, so it masquerades as technology. This is also why Inspired are so unstable, they have a total of THREE different realities that are all true in their heads, and they can't make any sense of it.
- Ego. Pure, supernaturally magnified, ego. Neither side can even contemplate the idea that there is a group out there that could out conspiracy them.
- The Lemurians are incapable of seeing the Seers because they fall far, FAR outside the reality they're willing to accept.
- At one point, they tried a Villain Team-Up, and things went so badly that the Guardians of Forever go out of their way to mind-wipe Lemurians who come in contact with the Seers of the Throne, preventing even the chance of something like that happening again.
- Remember, the Lemurians are all Unmada. They believe they know the real way the world works, and Mages as a whole do not fit into their worldview. Their stacking Unmada Fields erase all evidence and even memories of the Seers, and possibly even amplify (and are amplified by) Paradox to do the same to the Seers. Maybe. I could give a more elaborate theory but I don't know enough about the Seers.
- Exactly. That much Unmada-ness edits reality to the point that even mages who know of the Seers would have difficulty remembering them while in one of the Lemurian zotheca. Presumably there's something similar at work on the Seer's side...
- Jossed; Moochava, on Unmada Fields:[An unmada field is] never noticeable as "unnatural" to normal people, and it's the manes that handle most of the subtle transition, that and an effect like the Epikrato "move things around through a series of odd coincidences" trick. While a normal person—let's say a vampire who knew what to look for—might get a feel for what sort of weird environment he had entered, even a high-end unmada field looks normal, if odd. For reference, I live a hundred feet from a library with a lawn that's covered with metal sculptures of planets made of wrenches and similar oddities; this sort of thing is what shows up in an unmada field. (Try 2 Williams St, Williamsburg, MA, United States in Google Maps Street view and observe the...oddities there. Or try things like the Fremont troll or other bits of weirdness; in the World of Darkness, those would be signs of an unmada field.)
- Jossed; Moochava, on Unmada Fields:
- Exactly. That much Unmada-ness edits reality to the point that even mages who know of the Seers would have difficulty remembering them while in one of the Lemurian zotheca. Presumably there's something similar at work on the Seer's side...
- From each others' viewpoints, the Seers Of The Throne and the Lemurians didn't exist until recently. There are multiple Worlds of Darkness, one per splat, that have only recently begun to converge, Twizzler style, in the late 20th, early 21st Century. Its not that they don't see each other, its just that they don't the other as actually significant, having come into existence in the last decade or so.
- Agreed, with the additional caveat that the Terminals would have been brought into being as a result(direct or otherwise) of the assorted end-of-the-world scenarios in oWoD playing out. So the "Causality trench" from the Genius Book is just the Terminals' timeline-shaping machinery trundling along with nobody to guide it, like a Steamroller with a driver that's asleep at the wheel(or dead).
- Everyone in-universe agrees that the timeline that lead to the Terminals was basically the Best Timeline Ever (which is one of the reasons it sucks that it's gone), which rules out such situations as the primal force of destruction unmaking all that is, the Earthbound monstrosities making life Hell on Earth, the Antediluvians rising from their slumber, or other catastrophes from leading to a timeline full of grand wonders of life in any straightforward manner. Further, there's no evidence that the Terminals would need "timeline-shaping machinery." They were (and here the past tense would like to apologize) the trans-sapient gods at the end of the universe — why would they have needed machinery at that point?
- In order to keep the timeline in check. As for the rest of it, who said that the Terminals originated on Earth in the first place? If I remember correctly, oWoD wasn't that big on extraterrestrials, AFAIK all the apocalypse scenarios were limited to Earth. In other words, Humanity and Earth die around 2004ish, Humanity doesn't spread to the stars and displace the indigenous wildlife of countless other worlds, someone doesn't accidentally do something that results in the Terminals becoming preemptively extinct.
- At least one of those apocalypse scenarios results in the entire Universe either being destroyed or turning into Hell. And you seem to be forgetting that the Guardians of Forever - and thus at least some humans - existed before the Terminals disappeared. We're talking about entities at the end of time. They can be expected to be the cosmological equivalent of The Singularity, and the existence of "timeline-shaping machinery" would suggest that there was no way of altering the past at all. Need I point out how wrong that is?
- We're talking about time travel here. If humanity was destroyed in the old Terminals timeline you still have a few centuries worth of humans who could get recruited into the Guardians of Forever and show up at any point in time. (Aren't all the canonical examples of Guardians we've seen so far been born before the oWoD apocalypse?). Timeline-shaping machinery doesn't suggest no way at all, just harder. It builds a causality trench not a straitjacket.
- I don't see how oWoD could turn into The Singularity either - and I only skimmed Ascencion. (For historical value only)
- There's a scenario in Ascension that features a kind of apotheosis as the Good End, where everything wonderful happens at the same time and the combined That Which Is/Was is hurled through time to get things started all over again. It's possible that the Terminals were simply wiped out before they could go back to re-start the cycle, demolishing the entire timeline through paradox and Paradox.
- Everyone in-universe agrees that the timeline that lead to the Terminals was basically the Best Timeline Ever (which is one of the reasons it sucks that it's gone), which rules out such situations as the primal force of destruction unmaking all that is, the Earthbound monstrosities making life Hell on Earth, the Antediluvians rising from their slumber, or other catastrophes from leading to a timeline full of grand wonders of life in any straightforward manner. Further, there's no evidence that the Terminals would need "timeline-shaping machinery." They were (and here the past tense would like to apologize) the trans-sapient gods at the end of the universe — why would they have needed machinery at that point?
- Except Bardos are a tad more complicated than just "place based on disproven ideas." You need a certain mode of thought to get into particular Bardos — the book provides the example of needing to be in geosynchronous orbit and focusing on a particular patch of land to get to the Martian Empire. By contrast, any shmuck with a time machine can get to the various futures. Besides, how would you explain the Cold Ones?
- The particular state of mind could be what you expect to see- you'll always get to a Bardo when you activate a time machine in a time-travelling state of mind, but which Bardo depends on what you expect to find- it does say it varies every time.
And the Cold Ones? Nobody in a sane state of mind would want to believe the future will be a Cosmic Horror Story. A Genius, however, is not in a sane state of mind.- I'd just like to point out at this juncture that this particular theory seems liable to go down the same road that theories of the "the world is flat" bent are — i.e. there's no way to prove otherwise because it may very well be a colossal deception-slash-illusion. (The corresponding theory is that the Earth is flat and every time you think you've circumnavigated you've actually come to an identical iteration of the previous plane. Space travel is explained away in a very strange way that escapes my memory and the internet cannot immediately provide. Your theory — it's all Bardos — seems likely to go the same way by arguing that if someone, somewhere believed in it, and then didn't, or died, then that's enough for a Bardo to form.)
The idea that each and every timeframe reached by Skafoi 5 is actually a Bardo — something which has set internal rules and logistics, but which does not require extradimensional teleportation or similar — is counteracted by a very important point: for a Bardo the size of an entire timescale to exist (that's an entire universe, just so we're clear), a lot of people would have to have believed in it (the Phantom Slaver Yetis being spawned by one madman's feverish night-terrors is explicitly pointed out as an anomaly, and that's just on the scale of a species of Mane — imagine how fervently everyone would have to cling to odd worldviews for time travel to still work like time travel in your proposed model).
For that matter, fixed changes in previous eras (ones that have been paid for, that is) wouldn't be able to influence later eras; Bardos tend to stay more or less the same — they are the worldviews they cling to. A far simpler explanation is this: the timeline's FUBAR from the Guardians of Forever's rising corruption and the continual screwing around of other time travelers.
Further, your theory doesn't work on the simple grounds that if the "future" matched what people thought the future would be like at the time, it wouldn't be a Bardo because people would still believe the future would be like that. - Well, if there is a place for crackpot physics theories that don't make a lick of sense, it's in G:TT. P.S.; is that you, The Kings Raven?
- Nope. Won Sab. Different identifying feature.
- I'd just like to point out at this juncture that this particular theory seems liable to go down the same road that theories of the "the world is flat" bent are — i.e. there's no way to prove otherwise because it may very well be a colossal deception-slash-illusion. (The corresponding theory is that the Earth is flat and every time you think you've circumnavigated you've actually come to an identical iteration of the previous plane. Space travel is explained away in a very strange way that escapes my memory and the internet cannot immediately provide. Your theory — it's all Bardos — seems likely to go the same way by arguing that if someone, somewhere believed in it, and then didn't, or died, then that's enough for a Bardo to form.)
- The particular state of mind could be what you expect to see- you'll always get to a Bardo when you activate a time machine in a time-travelling state of mind, but which Bardo depends on what you expect to find- it does say it varies every time.
- Inspired can somewhat perceive different alternate realities. What is easy to build in one reality, is hard or impossible in another. When building wonders, they "borrow" the laws of physics from these alternate realities where their wonder would be easy to make.
- Quantum functionality is a canonically followed theory for a number of Inspired.
- Inspiration is basically the culmination of the state of mind that thinks something questionable is a great idea at around two in the morning. Mania works like the energy you feel when you've been staying awake for too long. Wonders function by instilling some of this energy into the ideas that sustain them. Mere mortals' eyes are closed to the infinite possibilities of the Waking World, and their contact has an effect not unlike that of yawning near a sleepy person. And to cap it all off, Hallucinations!
- Being a Genius is implied to be a lot like having schizophrenia, except that you can make your delusions real. And the crazier/more powerful you get, the more grandiose and dangerous your delusions get.
- None of the above theories can be true- but Geniuses have been known to use them as a basis for Wonders. As said above, Inspiration defies understanding.
- And as said above, so are other things; I propose that creating Wonders is really a form of summoning aspects of such entities into this world. Kind of like Chaos.
- Geniuses subconsciously understand the laws of physics. Every single one, including the supernatural powers from other splats. (Notice that Mania is pretty easy to turn into any sort of metanormal energy). A Wonder is a mix of mundane science and whatever metanormal stuff would make it useful with Mania as a binding glue so the various unique energies don't mix badly. For example an Exelixi healing device is nanotech but the nanobots are using principles borrowed from Sin-Eater Plasm and Werewolf regeneration. Of course a lot of those powers react badly to mortals: Paradox, Disquiet. Mania helps with that too which is why a Mortal has to actually touch a Wonder to cause Havoc.
- Genius are pawns/products of the God Machine, effectively being "living Infrastructures". Their Wonders? They work because they're miniature Infrastructure pieces and Lynchpins. God(-Machine) help you if a Genius and a Demon teamed up.
- Both of the previous two theories are correct. Infrastructure and Wonders are based on the same principle of Clarke's Third Law applied to a world where magic really does exist, and the only real difference between the God-Machine and the Inspired is that the God-Machine also has dots in Pankosmoi. One did not necessarily create the other, but it's the same principle nonetheless.
- So basically, both groups think the other are Eldritch Abominations that pervert everything they know. Nice.
On the other hand, we have Eldritch Abominations arriving from the depth of zero Entropy future following the Moon landing trail.
One side knows where they come from, the other one - what exactly they do.
- I could see this. Maybe they're all using a modified form of Calculus Vampire to keep alive.
- Maniac Storms Do Not Work This Way! Think Of Transgression as a reverse Acsencion, if that helps.(Also, spelling. Argh.)
- Well they were believed in, but then people stopped believing in them in cycles. They'd be powered by the disbelief, not the belief.
- Page 284. "No one has figured out what happens if the scientific community decides that a true thing is true, then decides that that true thing is false. Probably something very bad." This does not bode well.
- Page 393. "Not every strange thing in the World of Darkness stems from Mania."
- Nothing trumps Word of Moochava.
- Sigh. Fine. Ok, maybe not Prometheans, but the rest...
- Frankenstein Prometeans are the closest thing to a mane official nWoD has.
- They run off of Divine Fire. That doesn't sound like mania to me.
- Clockstoppers are Inspired who've catalyzed through hatred, either of self or of technology.
- Clockstoppers come from Anti-Illumination, or a side of Illumination that causes Anti-Inspiration - kind of like Flux
- Clockstoppers could be created by the very Nature of Havoc itself, seeing as they can make any kind of technology fail.
- Fridge Brilliance: A bardo is created when the Consensus (read: White Wolf) changes their mind about how the world (of Darkness) works - causing a maniac storm that creates an alternate world (of Darkness) based on the disproven model. Coincidence? Pattern?
- Boy would the Technocracy be annoyed when they found out...
- Rather improbable, if very, very symbolically appropriate.
Their relationship tends to be both figuratively and literally volatile. Genii tend to see Beasts as especially freaky manes, which gets on Beasts' nerves like nothing else, while Beasts are split onto whether they're a sort of 'younger sibling' Beast representing the fear of the unknown, or an extremely bizarre hero variant due to their delusions. A Beast and Inspired who manage to overcome their differences and work together can become an incredibly powerful duo, but this is rare.
Said rarity happens to be largely the fault of the Beasts, who often consider Obligation as something holding the Inspired back from their true power and will occasionally try to turn their Inspired friends Unmada or Illuminated. The Inspired, on the other hand, who often see their brilliance as alien to them and universally see the Illuminated as beings to be feared, pitied, and killed as a favor to their former selves and everyone around them, see this in a way akin to someone slipping heroin into a friend's food because said friend is 'too uptight', and will at very least lead to the Genius cutting off the Beast... and more often, leads to fights that easily result in murder and various parties winding up as Larvae. And that's if the Beast is lucky enough to fail; if they're unlucky, they succeed and learn that Evil Is Not a Toy and that the Illuminated are completely alien even to Beasts.
If a Genius knows that Heroes are a thing and not just Hunters, Slashers, or just obsessive and violent humans, they often consider them 'semi-beholden' who mindlessly oppose their master instead of following them. In any case, a Hero cannot become a Beholden (though a Beholden can become a Hero if they can break out of their condition in the process), nor do they ever Catalyze.
The reason why both Inspired and Demons can base themselves in Seattle and seemingly never notice each other is fairly simple (aside from the Demon line being created after the Genius book): they keep mistaking signs of the other faction's activity for being their own. For example, one defining feature of demons is that they're perfect liars- something that's also a signature trait of the Phenomenologists, just for completely different reasons (a demon has perfect control of their tells, while a phenomenologist fervently believes that they're telling the truth no matter what). A Genius who winds up in a splinter timeline and a Demon that falls into a Bardo are probably both going to assume it's the thing they're used to. Wonders are also easily assumed to be Infrastructure (and might actually be a form of Infrastructure, if some of the guesses about Inspiration above are correct), and if a Genius even notices Infrastructure, they'll probably examine it as they would a Wonder.
The original Mages were Genii, all unmada, who unlocked the Axiom of Inspiration. This allowed them to buck the Anti-Clark Corollary, interact directly with thought and ideas, and change the way their own Inspiration functioned, including somehow eliminating Havoc. As a result, most people came to believe in the metaphysical theories put forth by these proto-Mages — until something happened that shattered everyone's belief. The result was the mother of all Maniac Storms, producing the Supernal Realms and the Abyss as bardos. Modern Mages are Genii who tap into Pankosmoi during their Breakthrough, allowing them to utilize modified Inspiration.
- This is why the Supernal Realms kinda-sorta resemble other worlds in other splats; the proto-Mages discovered those other worlds and tried to work them into their cosmology, so Supernal!Arcadia, for instance, is a reflection of what Atlanteans thought the real (Changeling) Arcadia was like.