Mr. Freeze spouts bad ice puns as a form of catharsis.
It's obvious that with Freeze having his wife in critical condition and himself In a terribly humiliating situation (anything beyond freezing temperature being lethal to him without his specialized suit, and his disturbing physical appearance) and being forced to commit terrorist acts just to sustain his own life and his wife's life, would inevitably take a serious toll on his psyche—so as a coping mechanism, he feigns self deprecating humor to bottle up his chronic depression by frequently spouting his cheesy ice puns and literally presenting himself as a villain as a form of self pitying modesty (I.e. When he tells his mooks to "Kill the heroes!" and says he and Ivy are "Adam and Evil") because he's really just trying to make the best of a tragic situation that he sees no alternative out of, and thus he makes no excuses for his reprehensible actions and just tries to roll with it and get into the spirit of things as best as he can feign.Freeze doesn't actually harm Poison Ivy in her cell in the ending.
- Instead, he spends several hours each day delivering a blizzard of bad ice puns against her will, as punishment for trying to kill Nora. After all, Freeze got incredibly lucky by being allowed to be near his wife and continue working on a cure for her while serving in Arkham, so there's no way he'd blow this opportunity by directly harming Ivy, even if he still wanted to settle the score for all the crap she pulled on him—so he settles for the mental equivalent of Chinese water torture.
- An alternative, more plausible interpretation would be that Poison Ivy was merely hallucinating that an angry Mr. Freeze became her cellmate. In fact, the movie wasn't particularly subtle about the imprisoned Ivy having lost her sanity.
The (successful) "Mystery Bidder" was either...
Ra's al Ghul or Lex Luthor.- You're wrong, the mystery bidder was Dr. Clayton Forrester.
- Dr. Clayton Forrester was the one who made Bane in the first place.
- Actually, it was our future Overlord, Dr. Insano! All hail Insano!
- No, no. It was Doctor Doom. Because why not.
- You're all wrong. It was Slade. He needs new dumb muscle to distract from his real plot...whatever that plot may be.
- Actually the mystery bidder is Doctor Robotnik.
- Why not Zoidberg?
The movie's version of Venom will, in time, be known as Brawndo.
...or, at least, the ingredients will be diluted to some extent. Sure, they say it's like Gatorade, but who knows what is in that stuff?!- Electrolytes. What plants crave.
The wacky changes to Gotham and the Batman verse from the first movie are because Batman fixed things.
The drastic change in tone of the last two of the original four Batman movies can, in fact, be reconciled with the darker, more serious tone of the first two.Because of Batman's presence, and possibly this movie version's willingness to use lethal force, all or most of the remaining sane criminals have either skipped town or gone straight (or at least been forced back into a quietly desperate law-abiding life, despite possibly extenuating socio-economic circumstances, because of the hopelessly omnipresent law enforcement via vigilante); most of the ones who're left are the kind of wackos who think it's a great idea to hang around putting on face paint under blacklights, and increasingly isolated and unorganized low level criminals. Crime is kept so in check, and mostly to the domain of harmless bumblers and weirdos, that the city has experienced a massive economic and cultural boom, and the streets are safe enough that the Dark Knight can openly attend charity auctions in front of the press. The movies didn't get stupid, they're a realistic depiction of an urban society becoming ridiculously decadent after the removal of a hitherto intractable societal bane.This troper admits he can't really explain the silly sound effects, or why someone thought it would be a good idea to build freeways through the middle of the city perched on the shoulders of 80-storey tall statues. Maybe the latter was a make-work project, or something.- Some kind of public works project would make sense, given the no doubt absurd problems that the mass-poisoning of Gotham in Batman and the insane terrorist attacks of Batman Returns would have on the city. Besides, even in the first film Gotham's architecture was crazy enough to support skyways through the city, just look at the pan at the end of Batman.
- Or, supporting the theory below, after Batman Returns the events of Superman Returns takes place. Lex Luthor's crystal continent could have caused damage not only to Metropolis but also (and maybe to a larger extent) Gotham. With most of Gotham in disrepair the city is completely renovated replacing all the gothic architecture with the bright neon lights shown in Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.
This version of Batman is the version that exists in the Superman films universe.
Only a reality goofy enough to support Super Flying-Around-The-World-Faster-Than-Light-To-Turn-Back-Time powers for Superman would be goofy enough to support the Batman films. Plus, that version of Superman canonically exists in a world with a Gotham, and this version of Batman canonically exists in a world with a Superman. Since The Dark Knight clearly doesn't, it makes the most sense for the Burton/Schumacher Batman to share a reality with the Donner/Singer Superman.- Jossed by Crisis on Infinite Earths (2019), which clearly shows the two film series belonging to different universes; the Superman films on Earth-96 and the Batman films on Earth-89.
The Burton Batman and The Schumacher Batman are not the same people.
There are really - Jossed by references to the Burton films and Pat Hingle and Michael Gough appearing in all four films.
- The same actors don't necessarily mean the same continuity. And as far as I can remember, the closest things to Burton references was the Jack Napier scene in Forever, and that could've easily been an entirely different assassin from an entirely different continuity (he's even played by a different actor!). The credits for Forever even list him as "shooter".
- Flashing back to Batman Forever, Chase does mention Catwoman. That makes me think the Schumacher films are indeed in-continuity w/ the Burton films.
- Through heavy implication I thought it was pretty clear that they intended him to be The Joker. When Dick and Bruce talk about it in Batman Forever Dick tries to argue that he cannot fully understand because his parents, "Weren't killed by a maniac." After which Bruce asserts back to him, "Yes they were." The Joker naturally, even when he was Jack Napier but just repressed, being one. The line implying that he did get some kind of greater understanding of his parents' assailant, if not having confronted him again. (As also implied when he tells Dick what will happen to him if he does get his revenge, seeming to be speaking from experience. And as we know he did kill his parents' killer, The Joker, in the first movie) Added on top of that they directly say he had a past in killing criminals (as we see in the proceeding films) that by his word only got worse after he got the one he was after. Which fits in with how he got a lot more violent/murderous in Returns than in Batman 89 where he didn't actually start killing regularly/frequently until after he discovered The Joker was the man who killed his parents in the third act.
- The same actors don't necessarily mean the same continuity. And as far as I can remember, the closest things to Burton references was the Jack Napier scene in Forever, and that could've easily been an entirely different assassin from an entirely different continuity (he's even played by a different actor!). The credits for Forever even list him as "shooter".
This was a movie in the Burton universe.
Decades after the original 1989 movie, Batman decided to retire and it was safe for his identity to be revealed. He decided he wanted a B-Movie done about him, as he has become a fan of B-movies like the ones Ed Wood does. In his universe, it was regarded as "hilariously cheesy"; however, a copy of the film ended up in our universe somehow—and the rest is history.The movie is All Just a Dream.
Sometime after Batman Returns, Bruce Wayne came down with a high fever and had to be bedridden for several days. Both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are just his fever dreams.Bruce was shot and killed by vengeful ex-convicts.
The manager at a Macy's in Gotham discovered that frequent shopper Batman's Bat-credit card traced back to the Wayne estate and sold the information to some of the criminals that Batman put in jail.- Counter-argument: A Bat Credit Card would likely be a corporate credit card, which can't be traced to an individual.
The satellite-aided telescope is a front project.
Bruce is actually setting up the satellites for a global surveillance system for the Batcave.Nora Fries died.
Once Poison Ivy pulls the plug on he, we never see Nora again in the the movie. We're only told that she's still alive by Batman. Batman lied to Mr. Freeze so that he could find out how to cure Alfred. When we last see Mr. Freeze, he's in Arkham and threatens to make Poison Ivy's life a living hell. He comes across as being angrier than usual as he just found out that his wife is dead and that he's bunking with her killer.This is Christopher Nolan's original inception.
Young brothers Christopher and Jonathan Nolan grew up as huge Batman fans. As the nineties wore on and Batman movies grew campier, they began to become upset. So the brothers collaborated for the first time to write the campiest thing they could come up with and sent it to WB. Alkiva Goldsman who's credited with writing the script is really an alias of these dastardly brothers. Sort of like Roderick Jayne is for the the Cohen brothers. Why would they do, it you ask. Simply so six or so years after the movie came out and there was a new Batman movie series in development, Christopher Nolan could pitch his idea of bringing Batman back to his dark status and then his brother could help him after the idea was accepted and they could make the masterpiece that is The Dark Knight. This idea is also how Christopher Nolan came up with Inception. Cobb knew it could be done because Chris Nolan had done it all to us.Batman is jealous of Superman.
In the film, Robin annoyingly wishes for a car of his own, to which Batman responds, "this is why Superman works alone." We never see Superman, of course, but he must exist in order for Batman to mention him. And suddenly, Batman looks like him. Well, not exactly. He doesn't have the more exotic features of Dean Cain, but he's gotten more face surgery, darkened his hair, and started looking like George Clooney, so he's closer to that "type."Then, there's Robin's costume: red & blue with no cowl but rather a domino mask. Surely, Batman had deduced that Superman was really a reporter who hid his identity behind a pair of glasses. Well, they weren't about to do that, but this is the next best thing. He'd also have deduced that Superman was married to a co-worker who looked like Terry Hatcher. Oh, he'd been around. Kim Basinger, Nicole Kidman, Michelle Pfieffer in a skin-tight black vinyl costume. But none of them wanted to settle down and start a family. Finally, he gets that with Elle McPherson, but seems bored and disinterested. Why? He knows she'll just come and go.
Meanwhile, let's look at what Batman's had to deal with in the past. A killer clown, a disfigured madman, a lithe anti-heroine, a schizo and a conceited genius. Superman would have eaten them for breakfast if he'd been around for the first two, and the second one had a larger scale beyond Gotham (which, given the plot, you'd think it would, but whatever).
In this film, he's got an enemy with the ability to freeze things, while the other villain has a super-strong henchman. The chance to go toe-to-toe with them would seem like a place to start showing him up, but it hadn't been that long since the world had been subjugated by Kryptonians only for Superman to stop them.
Jason Woodrue's lab is in Corto Maltese.
The eleven minute mark is more of an estimated point of no return than a point of instant death.
Since Freeze's technology was originally designed to preserve humans, they don't instantly die of temperature shock. But without a life-support system like the one Mrs. Fries has, frozen victims do slowly begin to succumb to the cold. It takes a little longer than eleven minutes for complete organ failure, but that's generally about the time permanent brain or heart damage begins to set in due to the slowed, but not completely halted, hypothermia.Not only the Reeve Superman exist in this world, but other super heroes as well.
Just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they don't exist.The Batmobile in this movie is an unfinished prototype.
The opening scene is the car's maiden voyage (hence Alfred only now remarking "Do try and bring this one back in one piece, sir!") and it hasn't had time to be finished before Batman needed it. That's why the engine is seemingly exposed and it has no windshield or proper covering on the cockpit.Someone sabotaged Victor Fries' lab.
Because the movie bases the character off of his Batmanthe Animated Series counterpart, it wouldn't be a stretch to suspect somebody above him tampered with his lab equipment and caused the explosion on purpose. In BTAS, the big wig at the company Fries worked for thought his project was a fiscal drain, and here in the movie, Fries tells a henchman that he needs literal billions to finish his research, meaning whoever was housing his experiments may understandably have felt the same in this version.In the security footage of the alleged accident that mutated Fries, the control panel that knocks him into the vat just sort of randomly explodes in a shower of sparks. The incident is never really elaborated on, but it doesn't seem like anything that would have been caused by cryonic research, especially given that the equipment that exploded looked to be some kind of computer, not the component that would house any kind of volatile chemicals. Even if the intended outcome wasn't to kill him or his wife, a small explosion due to short-circuiting equipment may have been enough to pin the blame on Fries, fire him, and thereby terminate his costly ventures.
Superman exists as a media franchise in this film's universe, not as an actual hero.
- Hence Batman's line of "This is why Superman works alone" despite his never showing up to help Batman. The lack of actual superheroes before Batman in this world would also explain why people in the first film are skeptical about Batman's existence
If a comic min-series similar to Batman '89 were ever made, Bane would become the main antagonist, if not a major one.
- As a means of redeeming his portrayal in this film, this hypothetical Batman '97 would see Antonio escape captivity and find a way to acquire the Venom formula, alongside an Earth-97 version of his gang from the comics, as well as modify it to allow him to retain his mental faculties as Bane.
