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  • Bakugan: King Zenoheld, from New Vestroia, despite being a tyrannical man and an abusive father, has 2 moments of this.
    • He calls out Gus on how overconfident he and Spectra were, which led to their attempt to take over New Vestroia for themselves failing. It’s also Hypocrite Has a Point as Gus points out that Zenoheld is hardly a humble person himself.
    • Even though he’s the one abusing and degrading him all the time, Zenoheld, while battling Hydron when he finally stands up to him, calls out Hydron on his biggest weakness: his craving for his father’s approval. It ultimately comes back to bite him when Hydron realizes this himself and sacrifices himself to ensure Zenoheld’s demise.
  • Embryo of Cross Ange is infamous for being a total Hate Sink. However, his route in the trill game allows him to have a point about Libertus not changing anything in the long run. Rather, it will become a Persecution Flip where Norma and ex-Mana users will trade places as oppressors and victims respectively. Of course, this is a route where he Took a Level in Kindness and breaks away from his usual appearance.
  • In Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba, Muzan Kibutsuji is responsible for many of the tragedies in the series, as the progenitor of all other demons. However, he's right when he points out that Tamayo has no one but herself to blame for her family's deaths, since she asked him to turn her into a demon. Tamayo briefly protests that she only did it because she wanted to see her children grow up, but concedes that he has a point, which is why she'll sacrifice herself to defeat him as atonement for her sins.
  • The Elusive Samurai: The Kanto Hisashiban believe the Ashikaga were heroes who overthrew the corrupt and ineffective Hojo regime and that they are arbiters of justice trying to maintain a fair and unbiased rule. Although from his perspective the Ashikaga were villains who betrayed and murdered his clan, Tokiyuki is aware that the Hojo weren't saints and acknowledges that they have a point.
  • Fullmetal Alchemist: When Edward Elric furiously attacks Mad Scientist extraordinaire Shou Tucker for using alchemy to transmute his own little daughter and her dog into a chimera, Tucker says that he doesn't understand what the problem is because human experimentation can lead to scientific progress. While it's clear he's desperate to come up with an excuse for his vile actions, later events in the series prove that his statement was unintentionally (from his perspective) accurate. The Philosopher's Stone is powered by human souls imprisoned within it, Amestris itself was founded by a being of sentient alchemical knowledge who obtained his power by sacrificing the people of Xerxes, its military uses alchemy to wage war and performs many unethical biological experiments in secret laboratories, Amestris is ruled by twisted Homunculi (of which the aforementioned founder of Amestris is one of them, and is their leader and creator) who see humans as nothing more than a resource and are themselves powered by Philosopher's Stones, and automail mechanics require an understanding of human anatomy and neurology.
  • Is It My Fault That I Got Bullied?: When Shiho serves Shinji divorce papers, she throws all of the Domestic Abuse he inflicted upon her and laments how she became an Education Mama to Shiori to gain his approval. Shinji snaps back at her that the only reason they got married in the first place was because she baby-trapped him.
  • Moriarty the Patriot: William's not exactly wrong that the class system in Britain is hurting people and some people are simply immune to the justice system. Sherlock never even argues with that, just that maybe murder isn't the best way to deal with it, William.
  • Muhyo and Roji
    • Enchu, arriving to save his accomplice Rio Kurotori in the Arcanum arc, asserts that the person in question came to him willingly because the Magical Law Society was to blame for letting her mother die. Yoichi, a mutual friend of Muhyo and Enchu, agrees that the MLS has plenty of corrupt members, though he says that Rio, as an artificer was unlucky enough to have to deal with "bad neighbors" due to wanting to stay near her ailing mother.
    • Goryo is a Corrupt Corporate Executive with some cutthroat business practices and callous disregard for those he helps, but he's not wrong when he observes that Roji's teamwork with Muhyo is lacking. Muhyo and Roji ultimately lose to Goryo and Ebisu in the ensuing competition, and Muhyo puts Roji on leave to find out what he needs to do to improve himself. In fact, Ebisu, Goryo's rather unpleasant assistant, helps give Roji some of the advice he needs.
  • My Hero Academia:
    • After his brother's Career-Ending Injury, Iida tracks Stain to an alley where he was attacking another Pro Hero. During the fight, Stain notes that Iida is obsessed with a selfish desire for revenge but is completely indifferent to helping his newest victim, which means that Iida is not a true hero at all. When faced with the contrast of Midoriya and Todoroki showing up to selflessly help him, Iida has to admit to himself that Stain was right. This actually freaks Stain out.
    • Stain's whole motive is his hate for heroes who are only in the business for their own popularity and fame rather than to actually help people. While everyone agrees that his methods (killing everyone who doesn't live up to his outrageously high standards) are awful, it is acknowledged in-universe that his complaint isn't entirely baseless. There are a number of heroes who are far more concerned with winning accolades for themselves than actually being helpful. Todoroki, of all people, knows the consequences of such personal gain via his father, Endeavor, who Stain openly calls out upon encountering as the worst of the "fakes".
  • In No Game No Life, the main characters' first opponent, Kurami, is seeking to win the throne of Elkia to make Imanity a Protectorate of the Elves, who are the world of Disboard's largest nation. Her reasoning is that since Imanity, which can't see or use magic, is declining due to being unable to win the games that serve as an alternative to warfare in Disboard, they need the help of the Elves in order to survive. While Sora is disgusted with Kurami's lack of faith in Imanity, he believes that an Imanity-Elf alliance does have potential merit, and after defeating her and becoming co-rulers of Imanity alongside his adopted sister Shiro, sets out to unite all the races under one banner.
  • One Piece: In the midst of a Villainous Breakdown, Moria rants to the Straw Hats that even if he hadn't challenged them and they had gone peacefully to the New World, he's seen that they're nowhere near strong enough to survive in that hellish battleground, where there are many pirates much stronger than him, and they would've been instantly crushed. He knows because that's exactly what happened to him in the past. After Moria is defeated, some of the crew do briefly wonder how they'll manage to keep up if they have to keep fighting for their lives against every strong opponent they'll encounter. Following this, Luffy suffers terrible defeats in Sabaody, Impel Down and Marineford, and he realizes Moria was right and they aren't strong enough to survive in the New World at their current level. So he tells his crew that they need to train for two years before they'll regroup and try for the New World again.
  • Outlaw Star: While it initially seems that Ron was evading Gene's question about the murder of his father, Ron raises a fair point by countering that Gene wasn't specific enough for him to really say whether the accusation was true, or not.
    Gene: (pissed) Don't gimme that! I know it was you! It was the El Dorado that attacked our ship!
    Ron: (calmly) Look, I'm a busy man. You can't expect me to remember every job I've ever pulled, and "10 years ago" doesn't exactly narrow it down. Though I suppose it could've been me.
  • Puella Magi Madoka Magica:
    • The series Big Bad, Kyubey, is despicable no question, but has a point; a system where a relatively small amount of people are traumatised and killed is a lot more preferable to the premature heat death of the universe. Both the characters who find out about this agree, and while one doesn't try and change it, the other keeps it in place but slightly alters it to make it less harsh on the girls.
    • At the end of Rebellion, the new Big Bad traps the entire universe in a Lotus-Eater Machine. The thing is, Demon Homura just wants to give everyone happy lives. And she brings back three magical girls. One character declares that she will oppose the Big Bad but finds herself crying a Tear Of Joy when she sees her friends again. In the end, the only real problem is that the Big Bad is clearly a bit unhinged at that point and they're nearly omnipotent so it's a question of how sincere they really are since they create the happy lives through force, brainwashing, and threats.
  • In Yu-Gi-Oh!: The Rare Hunter who beat Jonouchi/Joey up after taking his Red Eyes Black Dragon is a sadistic jerk but he is well within his rights to tell Jonouchi not to help Yugi by revealing his strategies, as such an act is not permitted in any tournament setting.
  • Yu-Gi-Oh! GX has Professor Satou, who exists primarily to deliver one of these. Satou may be a jerk who's working for the main villain, but his appraisal of Judai as an idiotic slacker who is squandering his potential through laziness is essentially accurate, and his claim that Judai is a terrible role model is also shown to be true. Furthermore, he claims that Judai's lack of perceptiveness and general passivity make him an inadequate hero, when many prior conflicts have indeed partially arisen from Judai's insistence on slacking off and coasting to victory on natural talent at the last possible second. Judai can't come up with a good answer to any of his accusations, and many of them haunt him to the end of the season.

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