Times where an antagonist rejects the heroes' attempt to reason with them in Fan Works.
Crossovers
- In Amazing Fantasy, Mitsuki gives a scathing speech to her son Katsuki about how his petty and bratty behavior could jeopardize his chances at becoming a Hero. Rather than listen to her, he throws the door of the car open and stomps away.
- Bring Me to Life:
- In chapter 37, when Willow calls her insane for being onboard with the First's plans, Amy responds with a "The Reason You Suck" Speech, chewing Willow out for being scared of her own power and continuing to be Buffy's sidekick.
- In chapter 38, when Giles declares they will find a way to stop it, the First responds sarcastically, having already put Buffy and Angel out of commission.
- Friendship Is Aura: When offering her a Last-Second Chance, Lucario tells Chrysalis that her subjects love her, meaning she doesn't need to forcibly take it from anyone. She responds by absorbing said subjects and trying one last time to kill him.
- Guardians, Wizards, and Kung-Fu Fighters: During the fight in Chapter 17, Jackie tries to get Hak Foo to abandon his Oni mask, appealing to his desire to be the strongest warrior by pointing out that he's relying on the mask's power instead of his own. Hak Foo responds by saying that he doesn't care, as long as he wins.
- Hell Is a Martial Artist:
- The Norns, Urd in particular, try to convince Ranma that Hild is merely using him, and she tricked him by rewriting reality to make him her son/daughter. Ranma shoots back that he's the one who pressed the button to do so; so far as he's concerned Hild is his mother, even before they made it reality.
- Likewise, whenever someone brings up that Hild is Satan and tortures souls for a living, Ranma responds that she tortures the damned. He met some of those souls and learned what they did in life and every last one of them deserves their torment.
- J-WITCH Series: In "Gladiatorial Clash", Will asks Hak Foo (who's just been turned into a Dark Chi Warrior) if he's really willing to let himself be turned into Wong's slave in exchange for power. His response is a Blunt "Yes".
- In Lost in Camelot, a hero-on-hero version occurs when Arthur initially orders Merlin to leave when he's angry to learn that Merlin's lied about his magic for years. As Merlin prepares to walk out, Bo instead forces the two to talk it over, pointing out to Arthur that he can't exactly be angry at Merlin for lying to him when he had good reason to believe Arthur would kill him if he knew the truth.
- A rare hero-to-hero example in Origin Story. Captain America takes Superwoman to task over her willingness to indulge in lethal violence, stating the Avengers don't do that. Superwoman throws it back in his face by pointing out that not only has he and the other Avengers all acted ruthlessly in the past when the situation called for it, but she points out that for all her questionable decisions she could have done a lot worse.
- The Prayer Warriors:
- When Jerry confronts Books, a representation of one of his critics, this exchange happens. Jerry concludes that Books is "an idiot only suited to telling lies and killing innocent Christians".Jerry: Jesses Christ is my saviour. HE will pretext me in my time of need. Where is your false gods now? I know perfumery well that your gods is not real but is a lie created by Stalin (which s secretly demon processed by the Satan, the worse demon of them all! And he is not a god!)
Books: Laugh out loud. - Earlier on, when Jerry first tries to convert Percy Jackson, he gets this response.Percy: No I will never. I will always fool you by worshiping a false set of gods, Zeus the king, and will secret preying to the lord of the darkness, Satan himself,
- Annabeth tries this on Jerry at one point, saying "Those ways are old and tired. Our way is much better", but he responds with "But at least our way works! Amen" before killing her.
- When Jerry prays to God for forgiveness for killing the "demon processed" Grover, Stalin tells him "Pray as much as you want, your God will not save you."
- When Jerry confronts Books, a representation of one of his critics, this exchange happens. Jerry concludes that Books is "an idiot only suited to telling lies and killing innocent Christians".
- Teenage Jinchuriki Shinobi: When Splinter tries reaching out to Neji, Neji not only rejects his efforts but calls him a rodent, earning himself even more scorn from Team Seven.
- A non-villainous example in Fullmetal Bitch. A 22-year-old Toph refuses to train Aang who then calls her a coward for refusing to help fight the Fire Nation. Toph responds by taking off her shirt and showing all the scars she earned fighting on the wall of Ba Sing Se, ending it with, "I fought the Fire Nation for four years; where were you during all that time?"
- The Stalking Zuko Series:
- During an argument between the Northern and Southern Water Tribes over inter-nation marriage, Bato gives a passionate speech about his love for Ming, a woman from the Fire Nation. In response to that, Hahn, the would-be son-in-law and heir of Arnook, chief of the Northern Water Tribe, gives this exceptionally dismissive and condescending response.Hahn: I get that you have urges. But you know you don't have to marry her right? They aren't like us. All firebenders are such sluts. You can fuck her and leave her. You don't have to debase yourself by having a relationship with one of those firebitches.
- When Zuko, Aang, and some of Zuko's advisors are discussing what to do with Ozai, since some Ozai loyalists are planning to overthrow Zuko and re-enthrone Ozai, Aang insists that sparing him was the right decision and that he wishes this wasn't happening. Za Jei, one of Zuko's old teachers, responds with a mix of this and Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!.Za Jei: Listen, Avatar, I don't know if anyone in the land of fairy floss, fruit pies, and rainbows ever told you, but this is the real world. Here you cannot just wish away your problems.
- During an argument between the Northern and Southern Water Tribes over inter-nation marriage, Bato gives a passionate speech about his love for Ming, a woman from the Fire Nation. In response to that, Hahn, the would-be son-in-law and heir of Arnook, chief of the Northern Water Tribe, gives this exceptionally dismissive and condescending response.
- In Dance with the Demons, Talia Al Ghul tries to get Catwoman to assassinate Selina when the latter gets married to Batman. When Catwoman says Talia doesn't know what loving someone selflessly is like, Talia retorts that's very easy for Catwoman to say.Selina: You wanted to kill me. After I fought beside you, trusted you, twice. With my life. Talia, Talia. You claim to love my man. But I can't believe you know what the hell love really is. Not a bit of it.
Talia Al Ghul: I do know what love is, you witch! I know because you broke my heart. And so did he!
- Did I Make the Most of Loving You? features another hero-on-hero case of this; after Lee learns that various members of his family have memories of an alternate future that they have been actively trying to change, he explicitly asks if they have the right to make such big changes on behalf of everyone in the Colonies. However, Kara Thrace stops him asking that question by asking if he’d really prefer to live in a timeline where his brother Zak was already dead before the Colonies fell.
- Frequently in The Defeated
a Soul Reaper (usually Byakuya, Soi-fon, or Yamamoto) will call out Ichigo and/or Orihime for breaking their laws and later joining Aizen. Each time, someone fires back that Soul Society decided to kill schoolchildren (Uryu and Sado) for trying to prevent a wrongful execution then tortured the survivors before sending them home without admitting they were the ones in the wrong.
- Generally speaking, any time Suzaku tries to convince someone in Six Paths of Rebellion that violence won't solve anything and that by fighting the system, they're only causing "unnecessary bloodshed", they or someone else will call him a hypocrite for spouting such beliefs while working for a tyrannical world-conquering empire. Particularly of note is when he tries to convince Kallen to leave the Black Knights.Kallen: Then explain something, what higher purpose did the death of my brother serve? What about the people in Shinjuku? In Saitama?
- In System Restore, Monobear does this at the end of the first trial, after a speech describing what could have been done to prevent the murder.Monobear: Ugh! Why do you keep assaulting my ears with all these speeches speeches speeches speeches! It's as if you actually think you're an important character or talent or human being! Nope, I'm done, I've decided. Done listening to people who think they're in charge. I think it's time I showed you bastards who really was.
- In Frozen Hearts (Sakume), during an argument between Hans' brothers regarding Hans, Heins tries to remind Harald of what makes a prince.Heins: He's our brother, Harald! Our brother! And I, for one, love him! Have you all forgotten what makes a prince? A prince forgets trespasses! He forgives! He sacrifices! He is compassionate!
Harald: Don't recite those time-old rhymes to me! God knows we spent half our childhoods reciting them back to the king whenever he asked like a bunch of trained parrots!
- In Boys do Tankary?, Vincent, after telling Maho she knows nothing about true family because she pushed Miho away, not realizing that Maho does, in fact, love Miho, Maho contemptuously replies "Family. This coming from a guy who has no family." Vincent is unfazed, though, and tells Maho that he considers the Oarai crew and his platoon his family.
- In Boys und Sensha-dō!, after Shiho disowns Miho, Akio tells Shiho that Miho is far more talented than Shiho realizes and that Sensha-do is about friendship and camaraderie, not just victory. Shiho responds by saying "That is not what Sensha-do is about, little boy!"
- In Ages of Shadow, when Trace starts to give a Patrick Stewart Speech during the Final Battle, Jade interrupts him and tells him to get started with the dueling.
- In uthando lukabawo, T'Challa disapproves of his cousin Erik's justifying his terrorism through his need to protect his daughter, asking if she wanted her dad to become a monster. Erik verbally shreds him to pieces by pointing T'Challa's father killed Erik's so he's not qualified to criticize his parenting, and Wakanda itself failed his daughter when she needed help and they wouldn't give it because she was an "outsider".Erik: Aliens rained hell on Manhattan, and a fucking building fell on my daughter. Where was Wakanda?
- FIRE! (DarkMark): When Iron Man replies to Firebrand's "everything sucks" rant by stating that progress is being made, he gets this answer in return.Firebrand: Oh, God, Iron Man, Iron Man. I thought you, of all people, would understand. You've been so close to the wheels of power in this country for so long, you can't be that ignorant.
Iron Man: Ignorant of what?
Firebrand: Ignorant of the price the world's paid to keep us on top. Do you know how much of the Earth's resources is used up by the United States, let alone the rest of the First World? Do you know how many people starve in India, go cold and hungry in Africa, just so about two hundred million people in America can go to bed under central heating and wake up to a nice bowl of Cheerios in the morning? Do you know how much we use up?
Iron Man: I know. I've been in a lot more of the world than you could imagine. You also ought to know, if you've been keeping up with us, that Stark was one of the first companies to take heed of the pollution problem and act on it. That we've been instrumental in seeking alternative power sources, building factories in underprivileged nations to help the local economy. That we've worked with the United Nations to try and improve methods of farming, of...
Firebrand: Oh, shut the hell up.
- CONSEQUENCES: In SINS OF THE PAST, Ladybug tries to convince the akumatized Frederick that revenge isn't the answer. He replies that he's the Inquisitor right now, and reveals the scars from when he was driven to attempt suicide thanks to Lila's manipulations.
- Couturiere:
- When Adrien yells at the akumatized Marinette to just listen to him, she shuts him down by detailing how much she suffered for listening to him before and 'taking the high road', and how empty his claims that he was in her corner turned out to be.Couturiere: I needed you to catch me... and you let me fall. So tell me, Agreste: after how everything went down after listening to your stellar advice... why should I listen to you now?
- Similarly, she responds to Alya's attempts to appeal to her this way:Couturiere: I don't need you to tell me how expendable I am, Alya. Believe me, I learned that the hard way.
- When Adrien yells at the akumatized Marinette to just listen to him, she shuts him down by detailing how much she suffered for listening to him before and 'taking the high road', and how empty his claims that he was in her corner turned out to be.
- Of Patience and Pettiness: After Chloé hits Alya with a "The Reason You Suck" Speech about how she's responsible for her recent troubles, Adrien tries to step in and scold her, only for Chloé to cut him off:Adrien: Chloé, that was uncalled for. You shouldn't—
Chloé: Be honest? Adrikins, stop your rant right now, because I don't need to hear it. Little Miss Ladyblog, however, definitely needed a reality check.
- Perfection Is Overrated:
- When confronted by Shizune Otonashi, Yukariko tells her that she's nothing but a murderer and a false Christian. Shizune retorts by saying that in her view, Yukariko is the false Christian.
- When confronting Bachiko and Meiko regarding their plan to alter everyone's personalities and relationships as they please, Mai calls them out on their plan not respecting people's right to make their own decisions, to which Bachiko responds that they cannot be trusted to make these decisions on their own.
My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
- The Conversion Bureau: The Other Side of the Spectrum:
- When Celestia angrily calls Discord out on how his vision of chaos caused untold amounts of pain and damage to the ponies and Equestria, Discord retorts that her "harmony" has caused its own damage by causing pony civilization to become stagnant and the ponies themselves complacent.
- In chapter 15 when Luna calls Spykoran a murderer for destroying Dream Valley, Discord reminds her that she herself would have killed the world as Nightmare Moon.
- The Immortal Game: Titan repeatedly shoots down Twilight's attempts to verbally break him during their Final Battle, until she finally manages to get through to him at the last minute allowing her to drain his power and kill him.
- Loved and Lost:
- In the aftermath of the thwarted Changeling invasion, Jewelius succeeds in his coup partly because he shuts down Celestia's attempt at defending herself by angrily pointing out that she and the other heroes could've prevented the invasion before it began if they'd recognized the warning signs rather than being focused on the wedding preparations. This causes the heroes to panic and try to escape, which unfortunately makes them seem exactly as guilty as Jewelius claimed in the eyes of the public.Celestia: My dear nephew, please calm down and stop this at once.
Jewelius: Stop?! I'm just getting started.
Celestia: If Twilight had kept a level head, and perhaps brought us some evidence, then this all would've turned out differently. I give you my word.
Jewelius: Pathetic my dear aunty, oh how the mighty have fallen so low. You have proven yourself unfit to rule over Equestria any longer. [turns to the Mane Five] And you fools have proven yourselves unfit to act as our Elements of Harmony, our protectors, our heroes, no more.
Rainbow: Wait, we can explain!
Applejack: Just give us a chance to-
Jewelius: SILENCE! Do not dare speak to ME! [...] Hear this, my beloved subjects. I, Prince Jewelius, have an important announcement to make. Many of you are probably wondering how such vile creatures invaded our city when it looked so secured. I will now reveal the truth. This disaster was a result of foolish, selfish, irresponsible, and easily preventable acts of failure in the line of duty, and they were all committed by our princesses, our captain of the guard, and five of our beloved Elements of Harmony! There was a lingering threat made to Canterlot, but instead of putting aside the wedding and dealing with it, they chose to only focus on their materialistic ambitions, and NOW look what's happened! This act is the ultimate treason against our people! Our kingdom will no longer be put in danger by fools who have no idea what they’re doing! It is high time ponykind took care of themselves and not entrust their safety to false idols! On this, Princess Mi Amore Cadenza and Shining Armor’s wedding day, I vow to uphold our nation’s peace and security! - Played with in that she doesn't turn completely evil, but after Twilight falls victim to Jewelius' manipulations and helps him recapture the heroes, she does nothing to help them when he takes them out to see Celestia's Public Execution, instead telling them off when they try to warn her and the citizens of Canterlot that Jewelius is a backstabbing sociopath. This includes pointing out that they'd failed to remember the lesson they'd learned about taking a friend's concerns seriously as well as disregarding the safety of the citizens due to their excitement for the wedding. The captives still plead with her afterward, but what forces them to give up is when Twilight finally yells a Big "SHUT UP!" at them and promptly starts sobbing. This only angers the crowd who sympathize with her even further.
- During the Final Battle, Shining Armor calls out his rival Commander Hildread of believing too much in using brutality to retain order as well as helping in slaughtering ponies she claims to be protecting. Her ultimate response is to quell any hesitations she has and attack her hated rival.Hildread: I am the guardian of this great nation. I protect the ponies that live in it!
Shining Armor: Is that what you call this? Protection?!
Hildread: [looks at the attack going on around them with an uneasy expression before hardening her heart] Traitors to the King must be punished.
Shining Armor: Traitors?! These are innocent ponies! This is a massacre ordered by that vile usurper you call a king!
Hildread: Everything we've done was absolutely necessary! And if I have to destroy you in order to maintain peace and order in Equestria, so be it.
Shining Armor: Your extreme desires and methods have blinded you to the fact that you're causing more harm than good. This is why you were kicked out of the guard.
Hildread: I WILL CRUSH YOU!
- In the aftermath of the thwarted Changeling invasion, Jewelius succeeds in his coup partly because he shuts down Celestia's attempt at defending herself by angrily pointing out that she and the other heroes could've prevented the invasion before it began if they'd recognized the warning signs rather than being focused on the wedding preparations. This causes the heroes to panic and try to escape, which unfortunately makes them seem exactly as guilty as Jewelius claimed in the eyes of the public.
- Marionettes: When Sunset Shimmer tries to convince Marshmallow that what S.M.I.L.E. and Masquerade are doing is wrong, Marshmallow retorts, "Your speeches are boring! Why do you keep making them?!"
- Pony POV Series: In the Finale Arc, Apple Bloom tells Diamond Tiara that she had seen several alternate realities where Diamond was a hero, meaning Diamond's fate as a villain isn't set in stone and she can still change. Diamond retorts, "None of them are me."
- In The Rugged Game and the Trickster's Uprising, Akechi is sent to assassinate Ren Kurusu, Akira's father, for investigating Shido's action to help clear his son's name. Ren tries to convince Akechi to join the fight against Shido since he has no reason to support the politician. Akechi responds that he wants Shido to become Prime Minister so that The Reveal that he is Shido's bastard child will be all the more damning to his reputation, right before shooting Ren before he could fire back.
- Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness Act IV: Hokuto explains at length to Moka why he wants to resurrect Alucard to bring about The End of the World as We Know It. As far as he's concerned, all living things, human and monster alike, are nothing but evil, meaningless trash who could never co-exist and only want to live for the sake of living, endlessly killing one another to do so; thus, he believes that the only way to achieve true peace in the world is by reviving Alucard and allowing him to destroy every living thing on the planet. Moka insists that his views are unjustified and that both humans and monsters do have good in them, with those at Yokai Academy being proof of that. Hokuto retorts that Yokai Academy simply teaches monsters to survive amongst humanity by hiding what they really are, which is not true coexistence.
- When Miya criticizes Takami in Ashikabi of Thunder and Lightning for getting her son involved in the Sekirei Game, Takami responds that she needs a way to counter the Ashikabi of the South and East as well as hopefully stop Minaka. While Miya could easily do so, her refusal to take up her sword again has forced Takami to find an alternate solution.
- What If Sonic Lost His Memory?: After Black Shadow repeatedly tries to convince "Empire" Sonic that he's been manipulated by Dr. Eggman, Sonic snaps back with an I Am What I Am speech:"Empire" Sonic: I am Sonic Android. The ultimate battle life-form created by Dr. Eggman. I was born to help the doc save this world, and bring its people onto a better path, free of tyrannical lunatics like you! That is who I am!
- In Shadowchasers: Ascension, Big Bad Jalie Squarefoot interrupts Jeb this way when it's clear Jeb is about to quote from a certain work in his attempt at a "The Reason You Suck" Speech (keep in mind, Jalie is an actual devil and a member of the nobility of Hell):Jeb: So, you seek to one-up him by becoming a god. Do you seriously think your plan will work?
Jalie: Why shouldn't it work?
Jeb: (Visibly frustrated) Jalie, there's a book that's been popular on Earth for a few thousand years... In one part of it...
Jalie: Belmont, please, If you're going to quote from the Bible, I should tell you, I've memorized that dumb book! When a devil gets as far advanced as I have, it helps to know mortal religious tracts by heart.
