Quotes / Draco in Leather Pants

Fan Works

"I still think she deserved StarClan and not the Dark Forest as said [sic] she never really did anything bad except kill one cat in the end."

— Dark Forest cats that actually deserve StarClan

Literature

"However Bhasa effects many interesting changes in the original story so much so that he portrays Duryodhana as a very noble and generous prince ready to give half of his kingdom to the Pandavas, digressing from the story line of the epic totally. In the epic Duryodhana never agrees to return their share of the kingdom to the Pandavas at any stage. [...] Why Bhasa radically departed from the original Mahabharata story is anyone's guess."

— Varadpande's History of Indian Theatre, describing the play Pancharatra

Live-Action TV

Is he good?
Is he bad?
Psychopath or sexy cad?

— Bullet in the Face theme

Ann: Describe your ideal man.
Leslie: He's dark and mysterious, and he can sing. And he plays the organ.
Ann: I think you just described The Phantom of the Opera.
Leslie: (pleased) Mmmm...

— Dating advice from Parks and Recreation

Marshall: That sure is a big poster of The Karate Kid above your bed.
Barney: Hey, Karate Kid's a great movie. It's the story of a hopeful young karate enthusiast whose dreams and moxy take him all the way to the All-Valley Karate Championship. 'Course, sadly, he loses in the final round to that nerd kid. But he learns an important lesson about gracefully accepting defeat.
Lily: Wait, when you watch The Karate Kid, you actually root for that mean blond boy?
Barney: No, I root for the scrawny loser from New Jersey who barely even knows karate. When I watch The Karate Kid I root for the Karate Kid, Johnny Lawrence from the Cobra Kai dojo. Get your head out of your ass, Lily.

— How I Met Your Mother, "The Stinsons"

"And even if we did, King Joffrey's parents were brother and sister, and he was a fair and wise leader."

— Barney, How I Met Your Mother, "The Locket"

"I have fans?"

— Sylar Leaning on the Fourth Wall a bit, Heroes.

"Cool motive, still murder."

— Det. Jake Peralta, Brooklyn Nine-Nine. A quote commonly used in response to fans who put Draco in leather pants.

He's a bad guy
Even when he's nice!
Just because you've seen him
Show an ounce of vulnerability
Do you think that means
He has some secret heart of gold?

— Rebecca, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend: "He's the New Guy"

Music

Feminist women love Eminem
(Chicka chicka chicka Slim Shady) 'I'm sick of him!
Look at him, walkin' around, grabbin' his you-know-what, flippin' to you-know-who...'
'Yeah, but he's so cute, though...'

— Eminem, "The Real Slim Shady"

You are wanted, and you're haunted
You're the Bad Guy, but I feel for you
You're the danger, a fallen angel
But I like you, you're the strongest of them all

— The Immortals, "Kano (Use Your Might)"

Podcasts

Kyle Crouse: Starline is so rude. How mean.
Ian Flynn: Here's the thing, I think people are starting to get a little too lost in the affableness and just how charming he can be. He's a bad person! He legitimately idolizes Eggman and all that he has done. Yeah, he's kind of stepped out of his shadow, but that's more to say "look, I can be better than my idol doing what he does". Starline is a bad man!
Kyle Crouse: There's the reason why he has his own book titled "Bad Guys", because he is a bad guy!
Ian Flynn: I mean, sure, you can have fun with him, you can love him, but… don't think he's anything short of just vile!

— BumbleKast, "BumbleKast Q&A for January 18th, 2021"

Video Games

"Villains aren't bad guys. They're just... misunderstood."

— Marina, Splatoon 2

Web Comics

"That's what you've never really understood about the undead, Tsukiko. You treat them like they're people when they're nothing but bits of skin and bone and dark energy, glued together by magic into the shape of a man. [...] See, the undead are tools. Powerful, dangerous tools. From the lowliest zombie to Xykon himself, the undead are just complex weapons that we make and aim at other people."

— Redcloak, The Order of the Stick

"It's weird, no matter how many people [Thog] kills, the audience still thinks he's lovable."

— Tarquin, The Order of the Stick

Fooker: What's wrong with you? Are you sure you're the same chick who crunched my boys? Sam treats you like dirt. He ignores you. He walks all over you. And when half the campus says he cheated on you, you defend him!
Ki: You don't know him like I do! I see past the lies and see him as he really is!
Fooker: Sorry, Ki, if anyone's blind here, it's not me...

— General Protection Fault, October 13, 2005

Web Original

"Pretty decent guy if you got to know him, dude would give you the shirt off his back (well as long as you weren't Jewish). Adolf loved his dogs and wife, often times he around the holidays the family could be seen caroling and preforming other festive activities around Auschwitz day camp for the Jewish, unfortunately his plans for renovations to turn the camp to a water park were canceled due to his death too bad there would have been some sweet rides there."

— Urban Dictionary on Adolf Hitler

There was a pathetic and revolting misogynist who probably killed four or five women with escalating hatred and contempt. And then there was a marketing opportunity.

— Jack Graham on Jack the Ripper

Part One of The Master Adventures. No wonder Paul McGann can't quite keep the irritation out of his voice.

— Joe Ford on Big Finish Doctor Who, Dark Eyes III: Death of Hope''

Indeed, given the frequency with which the show is made up of philosophical conversations, generally ones in which Hannibal leads someone inexorably towards the conclusion that they should embrace their most murderous selves, it comes spectacularly close to simply being murder propaganda.

— El Sandifer

Dennis Rodman is a Q-list celebrity willing to commit borderline treason just to hang out with a dictator who himself aspires to be a Q-list celebrity. It's all hilarious, until you remember there are millions of people who can't leave this Kingdom of the Absurd without taking a bullet to the head.

— Drew Magary, "The 25 Least Influential People of 2013"

It's cool, being a murderer won't make the ladies stop loving me.

— Mercury Black, RWBY Recaps

If you actually look at the character of Peter Venkman, he's a borderline sex offender who uses electrical torture as a punchline. He tells presumably-dicked representatives of the Environmental Protection Agency that they have no dicks. He mocks the spirits of the dead in a world where he knows they can hear him. If Bill Murray wasn't a comic genius we'd probably be asking why someone made a movie out of some script they found on death row.

— Seanbaby, "The 10 Most Irreplaceable Performances in Comedy Films"

Another flaw I would say is present in the movie is Lumet has obviously fallen for the charm of the Luchese crime family much like the jury of the trial has. Lumet films them as the good guys fighting against a corrupt and EEEEEEEVVVVVIIIIILLLL District Attorney and shows their fight as something triumphant. Even he seems to forget the fact that these guys are murderers, drug dealers, rapists, thieves, and just about every other vile crime in the books. No matter how much Lumet wanted to present these guys as charming and lovable, I felt sick to my stomach that these guys fooled so many people and that none of them were really punished.

— Miles Antwiler on Find Me Guilty

David: Wolverine comes across the scar from where he stabbed her in the previous movie, and she point-blank tells him she's into guys who hurt her.
Chris: And yet, the Harley Quinn fan community didn't immediately jump on making Steampunk Mystique costumes for Comic-Con ’04.

— Chris Sims and Matt Wilson on X2: X-Men United

'Sure, he's an ass' or 'and yes, he's a troll' or 'he’s known for offending people' (which are, for most men, compliments). In other words, they took the Worst Possible Person, as one headline read, and still managed to reposition him as merely a prankster, a trickster, a rascal. And who doesn’t like a 'lovable scoundrel'?

— Kathy Sierra on hacktivist/neo-Nazi Andrew "weev" Auernheimer

Those people knew about the allegations and they still went, so the fact that I ate oatmeal with blueberries instead of a buttery PopTart for breakfast is a more shocking development than those people clapping at Bill Cosby's rape joke. Bill Cosby thinks he lives on a 50,000 foot high mountain of Pudding Pops and is untouchable.

— Michael K., "Bill Cosby Made A Rape Joke During His Show And The Audience Loved It"

Fandom ruins villains. Every single one. Forever and ever, amen. It doesn't matter what they've done, what they'd do, how bad it was, how much they enjoyed it and how much they want to do it again — you best believe somebody out there reckons Rapist McNazi is Lord Sexington.

— A comment from a Fandom Secrets post.

At the same time, she needs to be kept in line with her canon appearance. That means no sob stories about her abusive parents, dead parents, evil step moms, or sudden changes of heart. Lightning Dust is an unapologetic, justifiably arrogant jerk, and that's how you need to write her.

— A Rainbow Dash/Lightning Dust ship manifesto

Ned Resnikoff: The internal politics of Star Wars aren't coherent enough to support any Actually, the Empire Was Good takes
Jim Newell: GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE "LET'S DEBATE THE EMPIRE" DAYS, HUH

— Twitter, in response to tweets (like these ones) framing The Empire as the real heroes of Star Wars

Imagine Pennywise taking your virginity, gentle the first time and then he's more dominant and fast. He fucks you over and over again. And afterwards he's quite sweet.

— Tumblr, this stuff right here

"But people often forget that Deadpool is not a good guy."^note Context: Deadpool has just killed the guy who saved him For the Evulz.

— Linkara, Atop the Fourth Wall

"but he murdered people" well what do you want me to do about that
and he looked good doing it

— Twitter, as shown here

im-still-in-shock: They're making Hannibal evil... I shoulda seen this coming but still... I was hoping he'd be an anti-hero at least.:(
bonanzajellybean: HE EATS PEOPLE

— This Tumblr conversation

"Big Walder Frey is my favorite minor character. This is true in large part because while ruthless ambition is generally corrosive in adults, I find it oddly charming in little kids."

— PoorQuentyn in his post "Big Walder the Builder"

Df2003: "Villian article or not, Monty slander will not be tolerated due to flimsy-at -best fan interpretation, and he deserves at least a fair chance to be seen as redeemable. Also altered/removed many sections containing outright untrue or obviously biased information."

JackJackX: ""Slander" LMAOO we're just listing what the game itself is implying. If the story and work hint that Monty murdered Bonnie, then true or not it's still worth mentioning. Even the FNAF wiki mentions the "Monty killed Bonnie" theory."

— Two users on the Villains Wiki, after making their respective edits to Montgomery Gator's page

Web Video

"All these characters have endeared themselves to the general public to the point that you might forget the fact that each and every one of them is A VIOLENT SOCIOPATH WHO HAS KILLED BEFORE AND WILL KILL AGAIN. Yeah, I feel like the babyfication of these men kinda takes away from the fact that they're contract killers, and in some cases deliver a fate worse than death."

— Bumbles McFumbles on the cast of Team Fortress 2, "Which Team Fortress 2 Mercenary Is The Biggest War Criminal?"

"The guy at #10 was considered hotter than all of these — with no leading from me.
Only you.
The viewer.
I'm a little worried about you guys."

— The Nostalgia Chick on Judge Frollo, "Top 10 Hottest Animated Guys"

Villain: I am the master of darkness, the sealer of fates, the scourge from the underworld, and I won't stop until all the heroes of light are destroy-
Fan: Oh my gosh, you are just the cutest lil' thing!
Villain: I- What?
Fan: I love you, you're precious, and I just wanna hug you!
Villain: I will literally kill you.
Fan: Ooh, you're a lil' feisty when you're angry, huh?
Villain: Wh-what is going on?! My backstory is tragic!
Fan: (sighs lovingly)
Villain: I wish to do the hero harm!
Fan: Yeah, you do.
Villain: There should be nothing about me that makes you react like this!
Fan: (coos and pinches the annoyed villain's cheek.)

— Thomas Sanders, How Some People View Fictional Antagonists

"Eternatus, the Gigantic Pokémon. Being the largest Pokémon in existence, it doesn't have a lot of friends its size, so it uses its powers to make giant Pokémon so it can become friends with them. People often mistake its appearance for being very evil."

— Tom Fawkes doing a fake Pokédex entry for Eternatus, Pokemon Sword | Mars Attacks [45]

"Honestly, it just sounds like she just has a really judgmental family and is misunderstood."

—Chuggaaconroy about Gruntilda from Banjo-Kazooie, Banjo-Kazooie - Episode 12 - "Neato Cheato"

"Why are we all feeling bad for Sarah? She tried to murder a baby!"

— MrCreepyPasta, in response to people in the comment section of one of his videos sympathizing with Sarah in spite of her actions towards the end

"Now, this is played like a fallen hero confronting a tyrannical ruler and being brutally crushed, but seeing as the POV character is, y'know, Satan, that perspective should probably be taken with a grain of salt. This reaches absurd heights when Sexy Satan dramatically begins to rally his fallen comrades (no pun intended) in a dramatic, heartfelt and rousing speech that touched hearts around the world and should never be forgotten… and neither should the fact that it was being said by Satan."

— Red of Overly Sarcastic Productions on Paradise Lost

Real Life

Seth Myers: Have you had people talk to you about your character [Rose Armitage] and actually try to justify…
Allison Williams: Yes. First of all, they stay about this far away. Just 'cause… you know, you never know! I mean, now I get that kind of reaction, and as Marnie, they did too 'cause they worried I was going to judge or yell at them or both, but, um… so I'm kind of used to that. But yeah, they'd say, like, "She was hypnotized, right?" And I'm like, "No. She's just evil! How hard is that to accept!? She's bad! We gave you so many ways to know that she's bad! She has photos of people whose lives she ended behind her! The minute she can, she hangs them back up on the wall behind her, that's so crazy! And they're still like "But maybe she's also a victim?" I'm like, "No! No!" And it's— and I will say, that is one-hundred-percent white people who say that to me.

— Late Night with Seth Myers, in an interview about Get Out (2017)

"People aren't very bright, you know. They say they want freedom, but when they get the chance, they pass up Nietzsche and choose Hitler, because he would march into a room and music and lights would come on at strategic moments. It was rather like a rock 'n' roll concert."

— David Bowie as The Thin White Duke.

"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac."

— Henry Kissinger, 56th United States Secretary of State.

The audience was mesmerized by Brando and so found Blanche — his foil — somewhat ridiculous. At the time even Tennessee agreed that Brando's appearance in the theater was unique and there was no way that Jessica Tandy could compete with him. She seemed all tics and mannerisms while he was the male principle writ large.

— Gore Vidal on A Streetcar Named Desire, Point to Point Navigation

"Pinhead doesn't do a decent, nice thing for eight movies, but somehow still manages to get fan mail from women who would like to bear his children."

— Clive Barker, 100 Scariest Movie Moments

"I'm trying to clearly distinguish between Tom Felton, who is a good looking young boy, and Draco, who, whatever he looks like, is not a nice man. It’s a romantic-but-unhealthy and unfortunately all too common delusion of girls."

— J. K. Rowling on the Trope Namer

"Of course I like Jane. I like Tony Soprano and Hannibal Lecter, too. But liking someone doesn't change what they are. The key to dispelling the glamor of evil is to not confuse charisma with virtue."

— Matt Ruff, discussing his Villain Protagonist

Lucas confused the good guys with the bad. The deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good.

— Jonathan V. Last, The Weekly Standard, "The Case for the Empire"

"There are some people who are more codependent in terms of mindset that think, 'Oh, this poor soul. I can fix him. I can be important in his life.'"

— Dr. Robi Ludwig on Nikolas Cruz, the Parkland shooter, getting fan mail

"So I said, 'Well, you can help me with my boyfriend.' He had grandiose ideas and his hours were becoming erratic again… She listened and she said 'Oh that's easy, I can help you. He's a sociopath…' They met and four days later she came out with the glazed eyes and gave me the, 'You don't know who he is,' and I was like, 'Wow, there goes another one.'"

—Toni Natalie, ex-girlfriend of sex cult leader Keith Raniere

"As depicted here in the story, after Pagan Min offered me another helping of crab rangoon, I shot him in the face. I get that a lot of people like him, but let's keep in mind that, among being a heroin-fuelled dictator who left a trail of bodies across Asia, he also kidnapped a human rights activist doctor's family and forced her to run part of his empire, which mostly involved running a blood sport (and then had that family killed, probably tortured, and let her just blindly continue to be a dictator's lieutenant in the vain hope that her family might be returned to her). Pagan Min employed a CIA torturer to run another part of his empire, and while Mohan Ghale killed a child in what is probably best described as a crime of passion, Pagan Min had no qualms about killing children just generally. Pagan Min is not a good guy. The voice actor actually said that he based his character on Christoph Waltz's character Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds, also known as "the Jew Hunter", the movie's representation of the sociopathic representation of genocide."

— Silver Phantom 2, Kyrat Zindabad

Unless villains have a fuck factor they’re a lot less interesting.

— Blogger izyltz

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