Fridge / Homestuck: Kids

• Jade being a Distaff Counterpart to John may not mean much, except when you realize that John (at least in the beginning) is a naive loser. Suddenly, their differing genders accentuate their distinctiveness from one another.
  • There's also the fact that John starts out knowing the least about how to play, and ends up being ridiculously powerful by the endgame, while Jade starts out knowing things way beyond everyone else, then gets Brought Down to Normal and misses out on much of the story developments while she was asleep.
  • Similarly, Dave and Rose have a tendency to not say what they mean. They both use sarcasm and sardonicism, but for different reasons. Rose is somewhat pretentious, and Dave just thinks irony is cool.
  • And there is of course also the fact that Jade and John are siblings, as are Rose and Dave.
• The poem They Wait in [S] Seer: Descend, the quotes for the kids had all made earlier appearances:
  • Rose's quote comes from The Waste Land by T. S. Eliot, a poem that The Other Wiki describes as having "shifts between satire and prophecy, abrupt and unannounced changes of speaker, location and time, its elegiac but intimidating summoning up of a vast and dissonant range of cultures and literatures." Which fits pretty well with Homestuck overall.
    • It was also written by the same person who wrote the poems that would later be taken as inspiration for the musical Cats.
  • The person behind John's quote, François de La Rochefoucauld, is a good World to contrast John's Fool. Where John is at the start of his journey and knowing very little, Rochefoucauld is a mature man well versed in the world around him. Add that while his writing can be summed up that everything boils down to self-interest, he makes this claim as a non-spiteful humanist. A compassionate cynic to John's compassionate optimist.
  • Jade’s quote is Shakespeare (Hamlet specifically) and Dave’s is Snoop Dogg. The significance of Dave’s is probably pretty simple (although maybe a reference to dogs could be an added plus?).
• The Heir of Breath went to the Land of Wind and Shade. The Seer of Light went to the Land of Light and Rain. The Knight of Time went to the Land of Heat and Clockwork. The Witch of Space went to the Land of... Frost and Frogs? What does either of those have to do with space? Frogs do. Remember that the player has to breed a frog that will become the new universe!
  • Don't forget that it's also very cold in outer space.
    • No it's not.
• Jade is rosy, Rose is jaded
• Dave, the coolkid, ends up in a land of heat, and Jade, the hothead, ends up in a land of frost.
  • This also applies to John and Rose. John, the goofy, happy kid, ends up in a land of shade, while the snarky, cynical Rose ends up in a land of light.
• Although it is Dirk's theme, Unite Synchronization can be seen as a theme that unites the instruments that the Beta Kids are associated with. There are some notable piano (John) and violin (Rose) parts, as well as bass (Jade), guitars (Dave), and synths (again, Dave).
• What was keeping John's jetpack on the ground? A cinderblock, a violin, and a pot. All seen or referenced in Dave's, Rose's, and Jade's room respectively.
• Aradia mentions here that "a future self returning t0 the past fr0m a d00med timeline will always be slated f0r imminent destructi0n herself". Unfortunately, this may apply to at least two members of the main foursome...
  • Given that she exploded it may apply to her as well.
  • Davesprite is probably exempt due to prototyping. Kernels have a preference for doomed (and dead) entities so it wouldn't make much sense for them to be doomed after the prototyping.
    • Oh, You Just Had to Say It. Turns out he wasn't exempt at all.
    • Turns out, YES HE WAS.
  • Rose may be doomed but that isn't clear because it may not apply to mental time travel.
    • Given that Dream Selves are essentially 1-ups Rose is probably safe.
    • Rose saying her Dream Self was going to die in a Green-Sun-destroying suicide: doesn't that count as a doomed destruction? May also count as Fridge Brilliance.
    • ...Except she and Dave have now ascended to God Tier, and they unwittingly CREATED the Green Sun in the process.
• John and Jade were the only ones to prototype their guardian, John and Rose prototyped a doll, John and Dave had at least one prototyping done by someone else, Rose and Dave each prototyped a normal animal, Rose and Jade prototyped a pet, and Dave and Jade combined an animal with an alternate self.
• [S] Descend. It's about the paradox kids, descending to Earth. Not Jack going crazy crazier.
  • Every major scene in the Flash has to do with something falling, from Dave getting pushed off the tower in the beginning to Jade's huge meteor drawing closer and closer at the end.
• John figures out the alchemizing system much faster than anyone else. Consider his earlier struggles with both programming and using his sylladex.
• John's come into his hereditary Super-Strength in less than a day, and on his 13th birthday, no less. Early on, he couldn't even lift a sledgehammer. By the start of Act 4, he's Dual Wielding Pogohammer and Wrinklefucker with relative ease. So it's no wonder John's dad expected him to be able to lift the safe!
• EB: i am the wind waker. it's me.
• It is said that players have to die to reach the God Tiers because they must be able to face their own death. It seems like John involuntarily cheated because he was unconscious at the time, so he never proved himself as intended. However, when we learn about his doomed timeline counterpart's Heroic Sacrifice, we see that, when it comes right down to it, John could face his own death.
• John has wind powers. John lives near the Tacoma Narrows.
• By putting his hand into the Juju, John was removed from existence, yet he somehow still remains. He's a ghost now.
• The reason why John, born on April 13, which is under the time of Aries, has the Scorpio Vriska as his patron troll is explained here.
  • Also, there's the fact that the apostle John in The Bible is represented by Scorpio in the Western Zodiac.
• That gust of wind that extinguished the salamander's burning village was a bit of a Contrived Coincidence. But look, the salamanders are happy, John's happy, and the plot can progress...oh wait, John can do "the windy thing".
• The running gag about carrying no less than five computers with you at all times is all the funnier when you go back and realize that John has thus far lost six^note His SERIOUS BUSINESS goggles are still on his corpse..
• A "gavelkind" is a system of land inheritance. The character who has "hammerkind" (a gavel being a small hammer) as his strife modus is the Heir of Breath.
• "Involving the one who hates you, and the one who likes you." Except, well, Rose doesn't actually say which is which, does she... Unfortunately, Vriska's Omniscient Morality Licence makes it even harder to figure out which is which...
  • Vriska could be both.
    • They can BOTH be both, with the like hate kismesis deal Karkat has.
  • Actually the very next panel specifies which is which. Karkat thinks he hates John, and Vriska is John's patron troll.
• John's relationship with Vriska could be attributed to Jake's fetish for blue-skinned woman and sassy spider-related heroines.
• Rose animal motif is that of a cat. When she goes grimdark her skin gets darker essentially making her a black cat, a black cat whose title as a hero of light means that she is mainly manipulating luck.
• The only character so far who's gone grimdark is in a relationship with one of only who characters who can literally light up. Dark and Light as one.
• There's a line in "How Do I Live" that's emphasised more in the cover than the original: Without you, there'd be no sun in my sky. Recall that Rose wants to sacrifice her dream self to destroy the Green Sun.
  • Related, but much worse: How do I breathe without you?
• Rose's denizen is Cetus, the sea monster. While it does tie into her water motif, Cetus is also a constellation. In December (Rose's birthday month) all constellations go dim until only Cetus is left, which is called 'entering the belly of the whale'. The fact that the denizen is not even remotely human, can allude to Rose's actions, which were the least human and most reckless of all four.
• Dave's symbol is a broken record.
  • Double pun as when he goes into a rant and overly-long metaphors he seems to be unable to stop talking.
• Dave doesn't just wear those shades to be cool - his eyes are red, which receive an abnormally high amount of light compared to other eye colors. Wearing sunglasses keeps him from frying his eyes. (Also related are that his and Rose's eyes - Purple and Red - are the most common pigments of someone with Albinism, although Word of God is that Rose at least isn't an albino.)
• When Dave alchemizes the Royal Deringer with the magic cueball to create a weapon that can stand against Lord English, he ends up getting the Caledfwlch, this time repaired. Keep in mind that Dave's Character Arc revolves around Dave acknowledging that he himself is an own awesome hero even if others such as Dirk and his Bro seem to be better heroes than him. Suddenly his quest doesn't seem so stupid.

• The Homestuck Anthem features John, Rose and Jade's instruments, in that order. So where's Dave? Playing the rest of the song from the start. He is a time-traveling DJ, after all.
• this shows that there have been 42 Daves. this shows the current living Dave count at 12. Do the math.
  • That doesn't mean those are all dead Daves - through Trollian, Terezi is recording every single passage through time that Dave does, while Jade could only see the Daves that were currently running around. He had done plenty of time-hopping before she could see him, and will go on to do plenty more time-hopping as he says.
  • 42 Daves, 12 living. What's 4+2?
• The hood of Dave's God Tier outfit looks a bit odd...until you realize that he's wearing a chain mail coif. He is the Knight of Time.
  • Additionally God Tier Jade really does look like a witch. Also, she looks a bit like Kanaya, who shares the element of Space, and Jade at the moment can sorta be considered undead. And "dog" is "god" spelled backward, so Jade has also reached the "Dog" Tier.
    • Also, the shrunken down planets circle behind Jade, the five planets forming the corner points of a pentagram, which is quite fitting for a witch.
    • Not to mention her shoes, which truly do make her seem like a witch.
• Dave's tux alchemizations were a long list of Foreshadowing. First, he has his regular tux, showing a broken record, or a scratched Beat Mesa, then he has the Four Aces Suited and the Felt Tux, showing a broken Cue ball and a Broken 8-ball both very big plot-points as well.
• Not many Trolls seem to want to talk to Jade. And why is that? Because to them, she's just not that interesting. John had an Adult squatter in his hive, and Dave had that puppet, but Jade had a Lusus, like everyone's supposed to. Moreover, all of their text implies either high or low standings in the blood caste. But as Equius said, green is okay, but not great.
  • Actually, it seems they all have talked to her at some point. Even Sollux and Gamzee.
• Jade's fetch modi [1] seem to be relevant to the story. We've already seen a Battleship and the Crocker Monopoly, and doesn't the Jenga tower look a lot like [2]? Connect Four: 4 kids and 4 trolls are being united. We've had characters talk with the dead (Ouija), and the 12 silhouettes on the Guess Who? modus are reminiscent of our introduction to the trolls.
  • Yahtzee could refer to Vriska's dice, Cluedo to the Midnight Crew intermission, Operation to removing the Tumor...
    • Boggle vacantly at these shenanigans is an ongoing gag that first appeared just 59 pages after the modus select screen. Memories are the basis of the settings in dream bubbles. Finally, Pictionary can represent the comic as a whole, which is primarily a work of visual art and the pinnacle of MS Paint Adventures. This elevated status is fitting for the Pictionary modus, first because it's the modus Jade ultimately selects, and also because it turns out to be the most useful modus she has available, both for its array-like ease of use (well, most of the time) and for its ability to easily generate ghost images.
• Jade made the Girl's Best Friend, a rifle with DD's symbol on it. Well, diamonds ARE a Girl's Best Friend.
  • Check the total grist used to make it. All diamonds.
  • Even better? The amount of diamond grist needed to make the Girl's Best Friend was 500,500. In Roman numerals, D=500.
• Jade becomes the Witch of Space in the October 25 update - less than a week before Halloween.
  • She places the planets and Skaia in orbit around her in the shape of a pentagram. The Kid's four planets with their associated elements and Skaia taking the point for light.
• When Jade prototypes Dream Jade with her sprite, she plans to get Jadesprite to fight Bec Noir, although Jadesprite boohoos and flies off. But Jade's dream self is alive again, so she can reach Godtier now. If she does, she will be part-sprite, part-god-tier, part-witch-of-space, and part First Guardian.
• At one point, Jade states how wonderful it would be to combine traits of both animals and humans.
• It's understandable why Jade is into furry fandom when you consider that her guardian is a dog.
• The inability to prevent the powering of Bec as something unstoppable makes perfect sense when the circumstances of Grandpa's death are revealed - if Jade died the session would never be able to be completed as the destined paradox clone player was killed before the game began.
• Jade and Bec's Strife music is called "An Unbreakable Union". At first, this seems to be a nod to their friendship and Bec's Undying Loyalty to Jade. Then comes Bec's prototyping and Jade's ascension to God Tier. Due to Bec being prototyped with Jade's dead dream self and Jade's ascension to God Tier Jade and Bec have essentially merged into one being, making Jade and Bec's union literally unbreakable.
• The alpha!kids titles are foreshadowed at the end of their introduction pages.
  • Jane: When [SBURB arrives], you will waste no time in embarking on the game's MAIDEN VOYAGE, and if even a fraction of what you've heard turns out to be true, you are prepared to have the time of your LIFE!!!
  • Jake: There is a good SKULL at the heart of any mystery, haunting its EVERY PAGE. That is what you always say. Or at least, it is what you always HOPE.
  • Roxy: You are known to nonseldomly employ a ROGUISH DEMEANOR toward the FELLAS, a habit not especially jeopardized by your noninfrequent INEBRIATION. ... And considering [alpha!rose] has been known by the knowledgeable to be in possession of VISION OMNIFOLD, this strikes you as a particularly STUNNING LAPSE IN PARENTAL DILIGENCE. But you have good friends and many distractions to fill this VOID in your life.
  • Dirk: Maybe tagged as a RENAISSANCE NINJA, PHILOSOPHER PRINCE, and FLASHSTEP PUPPETEER. ... And considering [alpha!dave] had a reputation staked on some order of MARTIAL NOBILITY, this strikes you as a STAGGERING OVERSIGHT IN BROTHERLY VIGILANCE. You don't have the HEART to hold it against him, though.
    • Considering that Hussie blatantly made the words all caps, this seems sort of obvious.
    • The aspects are so blatant that most of the fandom figured them out instantly. The classes are a lot subtler and harder to notice.
• Remember the first character select screen in Act 6? When you hover over a character, it shows their relative location on a map of the Earth. Dirk and Roxy are unselectable, blacked out, and marked with a question mark. The arrow marking their location also has a question mark over it. [S] Jane: Enter reveals Dirk and Roxy were actually living in the future, where Earth looks nothing like the character select screen's map. That's why they couldn't be selected - they weren't even alive yet.
• The B2 kids' planets are named after noble gases, right? Well, the last element in the noble gas column is called UnUnoctium!
• The lands in the void session are all based around inert gases.
  • Even better than that. The four worlds are - Land of Crypts and Helium, The Land of Mounds and Xenon, The Land of Pyramids and Neon, and the Land of Tombs and Krypton. The first part of each world name is a term for a RESTING PLACE FOR THE DEAD. The second part of each name? They are all Noble Gases. What did Jane and the other Alpha kids become known as to their now-extinct denizens? The NOBLES.
    • The noble gasses aren't inert, all of them save neon and radon (because of being too attractive to electrons and being too radioactive respectively ) can and will form compounds. There's a reason that group 18 hasn't been formally referred to as the "inert gasses" in decades.
    • As an added bonus, Auto-Responder can be shortened to Ar, which is the symbol of the noble gas Argon.
    • Worth noting that the WMG page saw all this coming after learning the lands' acronyms in Myststuck.
• The B2 Session is a void session, which cannot produce a fully matured battlefield, and thus cannot create a Genesis Frog and produce a new universe. Jane's entry item is a cruxite tree that bears no fruit.
• In Act 1, John alchemizes Some Hellacious Blue Phlegm Aneurysm Gushers (with ghostly healing properties!) from a box of gushers and the blue slimy stuff Nanna leaves behind on John's bedroom wall. What's Jane's mythological title in the B2 session?
• There's an urban myth saying that the Crockercorp is utilizing subliminal messages with their spoons... one of which Jane owns. This could possibly explain why Jane is a bigger fan of Betty Crocker than her Nana form. However, what is the extent of the subliminal messaging? Is it brainwashing Jane? Could this lead to another Gamzee on our hands?
  • We certainly know BettyBother utilizes subliminal messages.
    • Wait a second... is one of those subliminal messages saying "STAY ASLEEP"? ...Could it be referring to Jane's dreamself?
    • On a slightly different note, it's possible Betty Crocker isn't completely evil. One subliminal message is CEASE REPRODUCTION. Assuming Betty is actually Her Imperial Condescension, she knows what Sburb does to a universe. Everyone important to the session isn't going to be born, they're created through ectobiology. She's just trying to limit the casualties.
    • Then it turns out the only reason Crocker is doing this is that she finds human reproduction distasteful. It's just straight up Fantastic Racism.
    • Yeah, you could say the products might have been brainwashing her.
• When Jane notices the extension on the fake SBURB file Roxy sent her you can see that the icon is slightly fuzzier compared to the others. That's because Roxy probably took the logo and shrank it or saved a smaller logo as a GIF or JPEG to use as the icon for the file. A small find, but Jane probably wouldn't have clicked it with the normal .~ATH icon
• Roxy's reticence to kiss Jane and unbridled glee at hugging Dirk on the rocketboard take on a shade of the heartwarming when you realize that it's the first time she's ever touched another human being.
• The sequence where Roxy uses her Void powers to conjure a new Matriorb is similar to using an Appearifier on a trans-universal scale.
• End of Act 6: Roxy does what every good Rogue should: she stabbed the enemy in the back.
• Ro-Lal is an anagram of LOLAR.
• Why has Dirk's dream self been awake all this time? Because of Jake corpsesmooching his severed head in the past! This means that his dream self would have been active since the moment he was born, and since Dirk's original body was still alive, he was connected to both.
• Dirk is the Prince of Heart, and "Prince" translates to "destroyer". Who does he kill first but the Hegemonic Brute, i.e. Hearts Boxcar?
• In [S]Descend, why, exactly, did Bro stab his sword into the giant record? Turns out he was setting up the Scratch. Holy shit.
  • For that matter, the fact that the Scratch is caused by a literal Record Needle Scratch, which "halts" the universe like a needle scratching a record. Well played, Mr. Hussie.
  • Likely obvious, but consider a Scratch in billiards- when the cue ball falls into the pocket i.e. dies. - very curious, indeed.
• Much has been made about Jake's impractical God Tier outfit. Whereas most God Tiers are some simplified version of a medieval stereotype, the Page outfit includes speedo lenght booty short. Compared to the more dignified and cooler looking designs, it really stands out. But then, it hit what did it look like◊.
  • Also, who was the first one we saw in a page outfit? Tavros. Look closely and you might see a resemblance to someone else entirely...
  • In Jakes case, it may also be a reference to Lara Croft, who he mentioned wanting to dress like when he was introduced (he mentioned he would need much shorter shorts to pull off her look)
  • It also looks like the Onion Knight◊ from Final Fantasy. It is useless at the start, until you level it up, all the way to 90 - 99. Then it can learn every spell. What was said about Pages, again?
• When "Di" Strider MST's Jane's book, he puts a note next to the name "Anna" and says that it would be a good name for Jane. Who was Jane known as before the scratch? Nanna!
  • Specifically, the name was Anna *Harley*
• Dirk Strider's new fetch modus requires that the items in a column have to rhyme. It's also filled with different types of orange soda. The word "orange" is also infamous for being unrhymeable. Given the obsession for irony that both Striders share, there is no way that wasn't intentional.
• "XY" is chromosomic because X and Y are chromosomes.
• "RK" is diluvial (pertaining to floods) because it's the last two letters of Ark. It's obvious in hindsight, but it's not something that's easy to figure out.
  • Which ties in with the fact that majority of Dirk's apartment is submerged, and that he's a lone vestige of life in a flooded world, just like the Ark was.
• Nanna Egbert and Grandpa Harley both lived and died years before the events of Act 1 when Beta!Mom and Beta!Bro were still alive. Jane and Jake live years before Roxy and Dirk.
• Calliope tells us that the two obligatory aspects in a SBURB session are Space and Time; all others are nifty but optional. [S] Dirk: Synchronize and [S] Dirk: Unite prove exactly HOW essential those aspects are to a successful game session. The (Void Session, Post-Scratch) B2 game lacks native Space and Time players. It takes Dirk one Thanatos Gambit, one rocketboard, two robot helpers, two corpsesmooches, three non-linear space/time transportation devices, and three or four crowning moments of awesome...all to solve a displacement problem Jade and Dave could have fixed with almost no effort.
  • In addition, consider the sheer size and scale of the Game, combined with the time limit of the Reckoning. It would be insanely hard to gather enough power in a fast enough time to beat the Black King if they could only travel via the planet-hopping rings. Space teleportation powers and Time do-overs makes the task much more feasible. Plus, as explained by Dave, at least a few doomed timelines are usually required to beat the Game, which no one can survive if there's no Time player to keep the Alpha timeline going.
  • Also, the Battlefield needs two prototypings to evolve from a chessboard into a 3D structure, one that the universe frog can go inside of. That means you need two players at minimum.
• Why is G Cat not loyal to any one member of the Alpha Session? Sure, G Cat is... well, a cat. But also because the Alpha Session lacks a Space player.
  • And on that note, the Beta kid's terrible prototyping combo made their session unwinnable. The reason why? Bec threw himself into it just to protect Jade. GCAT most likely never will or would.
    • In fact, GCAT would probably be Dog Tier Jade's natural enemy, same as Jaspersprite.
• Out of all the God Tier-level abilities, John's wind powers have the most direct combat use (everyone else needs to get clever with theirs; he just summons tornadoes); conversely, his have the least obvious use outside of combat, being only useful for forceful actions ( drilling the hole in the battlefield to get the Tumor), or only really useful in niche circumstances (putting out the fires). In short, John's wind powers are a blunt instrument, much like his hammer.
  • This straightforwardness also extends to his fetch modi, where before he decided to combine them all, his had the easiest rules to follow.
• Not many Trolls seem to want to talk to Jade. And why is that? Because to them, she's just not that interesting. John had an Adult squatter in his hive, and Dave had that puppet, but Jade had a Lusus, like everyone's supposed to. Moreover, all of their text implies either high or low standings in the blood caste. But as Equius said, green is okay, but not great.
  • Actually, it seems they all have talked to her at some point. Even Sollux and Gamzee.
• At first, Jake English's obsession with the film Weekend at Bernie's seems like just a regular character quirk seeing as he's a big movie buff. But if you recall the state that Jake's pre-scratch self was in (he was stuffed into a corpse which Jade conversed with regularly) then the whole thing starts to make sense.
• John's rabbit motif makes more sense when you remember his status as "an aspiring AMATEUR MAGICIAN". What's a more quintessential magic trick than pulling a rabbit out of a hat?

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