Line #9 TheScrappy/MarvelUniverse


1	Examples of TheScrappy in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse franchise.
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3	Marvel Universe characters who have been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap have [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap/MarvelUniverse their own page]].
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5	'''A Administrivia/{{No Recent Examples\|please}} rule applies to this trope'''. Examples shouldn't be added until '''six months''' after a character is introduced or becomes hated, to avoid any knee-jerk reactions.
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7	* ''ComicBook/{{Annihilation}}'': Few fans of ''ComicBook/AnnihilationConquest'' liked Wraith, a new character introduced in a tie-in miniseries. In an arc full of lesser lights and very humanized characters, a motorcycle-riding uber-{{Space El\|ves}}f with [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands ill-defined darkness powers]] and a fantastically wangsty backstory stuck out like a sore thumb. After the miniseries ended, Wraith only appeared as a supporting character in ''Conquest'' itself before returning over a decade later to be [[BackForTheDead killed off by Knull]] in ''Web of Venom''.
8	* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'':
9	** During the Busiek/Perez run, new character Triathlon wasn't held in very high esteem among the fandom. Some of this was due to being a member of a ChurchOfHappyology, some of this was due to his being foisted on the team by politics, but mostly due to his acting like a JerkAss to the established characters people actually like. After he left the group, any enmity against him was largely forgotten -- until he mercilessly killed [[DefectorFromDecadence Crusader]] at the end of ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion2008''. He's since reappeared in ''ComicBook/Avengers2023'' as [[spoiler:a DoubleAgent for the Avengers within the anti-mutant terrorist group Orchis, apparently as their "Avengers expert." He's shown utilizing his past actions to play up the role of "an embittered ex-Avenger" to the point he proposed allowing himself to be hypnotized into believing his cover story to make his duplicity convincing.]]
10	** ComicBook/WonderMan earned this reputation back in the 80's, when he was a member of the West Coast Avengers. The fan reaction to the infamous storyline where he tried to break up ComicBook/ScarletWitch and ComicBook/TheVision so that he could date the former earned him the ire of a number of readers.
11	* ''ComicBook/TheSentry'': The Sentry was originally received well enough (largely because of his interesting origins and his jaw droppingly cool fight with the Green Scar Hulk), until ''ComicBook/WorldWarHulk'' or ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion''. Unfortunately, Bendis got hold of him and turned him into Norman Osborn's pet killing machine with the mentality of a child, and gave him more powers than Silver Age Superman. This, combined with the fact that writers kept changing Sentry's origin and his relationship to [[EnemyWithout the Void]] (The Void is Sentry's split personality! The Void is the real Bob Reynolds, who was a druggie! The Void is the Angel of Death!), meant that eventually every reader had stopped caring about who the Sentry really was and just wanted him to go away. Even then, his "interesting" origins were a cause for a broken base considering they consisted of him stealing a random vial that somehow made him strong enough to fight off Galactus. That same one that much more technologically advanced Galaxy spanning empires like the Skrulls can't stop but a much more primitive lab's random vial is just the trick.
12	* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'':
13	** The first Madame Web, mainly because she gave a lot of {{vague\|nessIsComing}} prophesizing and warning without ever actually ''helping'' Spider-Man with the threats she keeps saying are just around the corner. It wore on people's nerves after a while. Even in-universe Spidey doesn't like her all that much. You can imagine the collective {{facepalm}} Spidey fans had when Creator/{{Sony}} revealed the ''Film/{{Madame Web\|2024}}'' trailer.
14	** A lot of the villains introduced during ''ComicBook/BrandNewDay'', like Freak or Paper Doll, were rather hated by fans due to replacing many of Spidey's established foes as well as the new villains established during JMS's run. At the same time many of said villains lacked the traits that made the old bad guys likable or cool. The only exceptions to this are Mr. Negative and Overdrive, who have managed to establish themselves as lasting and worthy new additions to Spidey's RoguesGallery.
15	** New "hero" Alpha due to basically being the antithesis to everything Spider-Man stands for (has zero responsibility, wastes his gifts, has an ego the size of a mountain, etc.).
16	** Carlie Cooper's portrayal resulted in a massive backlash from fans.[[note]]Creator/JoeQuesada, the mastermind behind ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'', had originally intended to resurrect Gwen Stacy during the event, but as her death was too important to Spider-Man, he was turned down and conceived Carlie, named after his daughter, instead.[[/note]] Originally it was more along the lines of ReplacementScrappy for ComicBook/{{M\|aryJaneWatson}}J, but it escalated when everyone, from past girlfriends to best friends, kept telling Peter how 'right' she was for him because she's his 'intellectual equal'. It was REALLY not helped by the fact she would get mad at Peter for the stupidest things, was pushed as a Woobie because her hero cop dad supposedly died only to be revealed he wasn't a hero and wasn't dead, act like a hypocrite, amongst other problems. She's also received ire for having similar characteristics as four of Peter's past love interests: troubles with father (MJ), NerdsAreSexy and attempted Adorkable (Deb Whitman), loves Peter for him (MJ, and an invert of ComicBook/BlackCat), is old friends with Harry Osborn and a tsundere. You could make the case that the writers are trying to evoke Gwen Stacy in her character, but in the end comes off as a lot like ComicBook/LanaLang in ''Series/{{Smallville}}''. In the aftermath of ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'', she was demoted to a supporting cast member without romantic interest in Peter. However, in ''ComicBook/SuperiorSpiderMan'', the hatred for her increased tenfold, with Carlie somehow being the only one who investigated why Peter was acting massively out of character. She discovers what happened by doing what can be considered the barest minimum of detective work. Again, fans were not amused at Carlie getting such an easy win, and rejoiced when she was Goblin'd... only for it to inexplicably not work on her, and her alone. Fortunately, after that [[PutOnABus she left the Spidey books entirely.]]
17	** Cindy Moon aka ComicBook/{{Silk}} was this when she was first introduced (she got seriously RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap when her ongoing came out though). Created via retcon as a girl who was ''also'' bitten by the same radioactive spider as Peter Parker, Silk was a ''huge'' CreatorsPet and ReplacementScrappy who was introduced to be both Peter's new love interest and crime-fighting partner, whose debut storyline also featured the ''highly'' controversial FaceHeelTurn of Black Cat. Besides her powers being essentially 'Spider-Man's only better', she also had StrangledByTheRedString as an ''actual'' part of her powerset, as she produced pheromones that made herself and Peter unable to stop trying to make out when together, something that raises ''serious'' questions about consent. All of this combined with her ItsAllAboutMe disposition, and her inexperience in superheroing[[note]]leading to the deaths of [[spoiler:Last-Stand Spider-Man and Spider-Assassin]] during ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'', during which she was a ''huge'' SpotlightStealingSquad[[/note]] made her heavily disliked...and yet, for some reason Marvel decided to give her an ongoing series.[[note]]Fortunately, the latter turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as the book quickly retconned out her pheromone powers and gave her ''heavy'' CharacterDevelopment, put focus on her anxiety and depression while downplaying her JerkAss tendencies and thus transformed her from a selfish idiot into an Adorkable but well-meaning rookie. Her relationship with Peter was also changed into something more platonic, and her book gave Black Cat ''much'' better attention than Silk's aforementioned debut story did, with Cindy and Felicia developing a very well-liked dynamic, and she became something of a MoralityPet for J. Jonah Jameson. By the time her run finished its course, she was completely unrecognisable from the girl people were decrying back in ''Spider-Verse''.[[/note]]
18	** All of the Inheritors except Morlun and Karn. While some dislike Morlun, most are ambivalent towards him and he had a mysterious and scary vibe that made him a decent addition to the RoguesGallery. The others on the other hand are generally considered boring and annoying at best, and ruin Morlun's style at worst, and fans despise how Creator/DanSlott seems obsessed with constantly bringing them back to try and use them to [[CListFodder slaughter beloved characters for shock value]]. Two stand out in particular:
19	*** Daemos, Morlun's bigger, dumber, eviler brother. Mostly for having very few personality traits beyond... "big, dumb, and evil." Also because he [[spoiler:killed [[ComicBook/MarvelComics2 MC2]] Peter Parker and Spider-Man Unlimited]].
20	*** Morlun's father Solus too, for being an InvincibleVillain capable of [[spoiler:killing Captain Universe!Spider-Man with little effort, despite the latter being a PhysicalGod]].
21	** ''Paul''. Mary Jane's mysterious new beau in ''ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2022'' quickly became this due to how sudden he showed up to derail MJ and Peter's relationship just as it seemed that they were back together in [[ComicBook/TheAmazingSpiderMan2018 the previous run]]. The fact that Mary Jane absolutely refused to explain everything and left readers in the dark for about a year did not help in trying to endear readers to him. His only point as a character is to enforce StatusQuoIsGod by keeping Peter and MJ apart, because he has very little personality outside of that. To make matters worse, he's clearly ''not'' meant to be a HateSink, because most of the time, he's actually ''nice'', which actually only makes him worse in the fans' eyes, to the point that he's gained an ironic fanbase around this.
22	* ''ComicBook/{{Venom}}'': Lee Price is widely regarded as the single worst Venom host ever and hated accordingly. Mostly because he was an angsty, misanthropic {{Jerkass}}, VillainProtagonist, and CreatorsPet who lacked any of the likable qualities of any of the other Venom hosts, while also seeming to stick around for an obnoxiously long time even after the symbiote was rightfully given back to Eddie and getting no redeeming moments, just continuous KickTheDog scenes directed at actually popular characters like Mania. It may not surprise you that the readership ''cheered'' when Price was finally disposed of by [[TakeThatScrappy having Carnage kill him in a hilariously brutal and humiliating fashion]], so much so that it actually helped Carnage himself [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap get a lot more fans then he used to have]].
23	* ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'': Ultimate ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}, primarily amongst fans who had come in from the original Franchise/MarvelUniverse. 616 Deadpool, while having originally been created as basically a rip-off of ComicBook/TeenTitans villain Deathstroke the Terminator, is well-known in current pop-culture for going so deep into ChaoticStupid that he emerges in the deepest part of Chaotic Awesome, glorifying in surreal, bloody-yet-wacky antics and lots and lots of [[BreakingTheFourthWall fourth wall breaking]], perhaps being the best known comic version of the FourthWallObserver. 1610 Deadpool, on the other hand, is a horrifically mutilated cyborg; not only is he an active participant in a mutant-phobic country's sick program of kidnapping mutants from other countries and then hunting them down to slaughter them on ''national live television for entertainment'', he's fully aware that they are usually innocent. He just hunts them anyway because he finds it fun. In other words, Ultimate Deadpool is crazy, but in a sick and horrifying way, whereas Mainstream Deadpool is pure CrazyIsCool, and so the fans of the original revile the Ultimate version -- the closest Ultimate Deadpool has come to being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap is when he appeared as a CompositeCharacter (ComicBook/UltimateMarvel appearance and rough MO (still runs a reality show), Creator/MarvelComics personality) in ''Videogame/SpiderManShatteredDimensions''. Ultimate Deadpool would eventually be unceremoniously killed off in ''[[ComicBook/DeadpoolKillsTheMarvelUniverse Deadpool Kills Deadpool]]'' by the main Deadpool, with few readers mourning him.
24	* ''ComicBook/XMen''
25	** A notable example is Maggott. A mutant with a very disturbing power who spoke in thoroughly annoying South African slang and was hyped up as being awesome, amongst other complaints. Fortunately, they got rid of him after a short-but-not-short-enough amount of time. And now he's dead.
26	** The third man to go by "Thunderbird", Neal Shaara, by virtue of having absolutely no right or reason to use that name[[note]]He originally was supposed to be called Agni, after the Vedic fire-god, but that was nixed by editorial for sounding too much like "acne".[[/note]]; the original Thunderbird and his brother were both Native Americans with superhuman strength, durability, and speed. Neal is/was an Indian with fire/energy powers. Having the popular ComicBook/{{Psylocke}} dump the also well-liked Archangel for this guy also rubbed people the wrong way.
27	** More than practically any other teen X-Men character, Ink from the very short-lived ''Young X-Men'' series was hated by many fans. The fact that the writer went to extreme lengths (like ya know, giving him the power of Phoenix) to make him seem important did not go over well with fans, and he also had the stigma of being a human rather than a mutant. Being a JerkAss and bizarrely ending up with Emma Frost in a BadFuture also didn't help.
28	** In second place would be Icarus, for his {{Wangst}}, his bringing up his dead girlfriend (whom he'd only dated for a week) every other appearance, and the fact that [[spoiler:he ends up trusting an ObviouslyEvil SinisterMinister and getting himself and many of his friends killed in the process]]. A panel of [[spoiler:his dead body]] with a ridiculous expression on his face has become a meme in the fandom. His wangst is especially bad when you consider that the rest of his team actually have ''legitimate'' emotional problems. He even compared the feeling of losing the aforementioned girlfriend to losing ''everything'', even though he has a supportive mother as well as brothers and sisters who are also mutants and attend Xavier's ''with'' him, and is generally not in any of the conflicts at Xavier's. [[FacePalm What's worst is that he said this to Surge, whose father basically disowned her because of her powers, and whose mother is too afraid to stand up to him.]] Icarus already had two strikes against him, having been created by the fan-reviled Chuck Austen and introduced in what's generally considered one of the worst X-Men stories of all time. His {{Wangst}} didn't so much tip him over the edge as throw him bodily off of it.
29	** Very difficult to believe now, but ComicBook/KittyPryde started out like this. Her introductory story was fine, but some fans thought that Claremont had no idea what to do with her after Creator/JohnByrne left (it did not help that Byrne's final three issues were crowning moments of awesome for Kitty). Her acceptance became general in the Brood arc (which also introduced Lockheed, her constant companion) and with the story "Professor Xavier Is A Jerk!" which was fittingly about Kitty Pryde justifying her membership of the X-Men.
30	** ComicBook/ScarletWitch, thanks to her being responsible for depowering most of the mutant race and sending the entire franchise spiralling into what many consider an AudienceAlienatingEra for most of the 2000s. What was interesting was that before ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', she was a pretty popular character, particularly among romance fans for her marriage with Vision, those with mental illness, and female comic book readers. A big part of the hate comes from the fact that, in order to use her again, writers had to retcon that she was being manipulated by Doctor Doom at the time ([[FridgeLogic we'll ignore how little sense that makes]]) to justify the Avengers [[EasilyForgiven forgiving her]], and now anyone still angry at her tends to be painted as unreasonable (including ComicBook/TheVision, her ex-husband, whom she ''murdered'', and is treated like an insensitive JerkAss for being angry about it), since she wasn't technically at fault. Never mind that in [[ComicBook/UncannyAvengers the same comic]] ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} was talked about like he's Hannibal Lecter despite the fact that his [[ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen actions]] actually ''were'' the result of being controlled by another force, which the Avengers ''know'' because that's why they started that ConflictBall to begin with. While Wanda was retconned into being possessed to excuse her actions, Scott was ''shown from the beginning'' that this was the case, and yet he ''still'' gets treated like shit. The DoubleStandard just pisses fans of the X-Men off, especially since the characters angry at her are almost exclusively X-Men. Her well-received solo run, however, succeeded in having her RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap and her portrayal in the Marvel Cinematic Universe brought old and new fans in to check out her more well-received pre-''House of M'' storylines. In addition, the Doom retcon has been all but ignored, with storylines focusing on Wanda's standing with mutant characters not even hinting at his involvement, instead having her be responsible for the deed, while also having her act as TheAtoner to build further stories from what she did, rather than sweep it under the rug. This has, ironically, led to the fandom by and large forgiving Wanda, with most now recognizing that the whole sordid M-Day affair was the fault of ExecutiveMeddling, not her as a character.
31	** Arcade became this after Dennis Hopeless's ''ComicBook/AvengersArena'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersUndercover''. Not only is he the impetus of both of those [[FanonDiscontinuity ill-received]] books, but he directly caused the deaths of [[spoiler:Mettle, Red Raven, and Juston Seyfret/Sentinel]] — three beloved characters who fans were hoping would get focus for the first time in years — and [[KarmaHoudini got away with it]], all in a particularly embarrassing failed attempt by Hopeless at making a guy who had long been regarded as [[HarmlessVillain a lovable loser]] at best into [[NotSoHarmlessVillain a serious threat]]. All it succeeded in doing was making Arcade into probably the most hated villain in the MU and actually making his VillainDecay ''even worse'' then when he was regarded as a joke character, as other writers refused to play along and depicted him as a pathetic laughingstock [[EvenEvilHasStandards with a target on his back]] for going after teenagers, while fans just wanted Arcade dead and his victims restored to life. Tellingly, his next major appearance in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' was mostly just an excuse to [[TakeThatScrappy brutally kill him in the most humiliating, batshit insane, and over-the-top manner possible]].
32	** Sally "Website/YouTube is more important than personal liberties" Floyd. Yes, she actually expressed that viewpoint, and what's more WordOfGod says the reader was supposed to ''agree'' with it. There is even a list for the [[http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/ngrey651/ReasonsToHateSallyFloyd.jpg Top Ten Reasons to hate Sally Floyd]]. Paul Jenkins seems to have a flair for creating these, actually, as he's also coughed up the ridiculous and [[ArtisticLicenseBiology biology-defying]] ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' villain The Queen and everyone's favorite InvincibleHero, ComicBook/TheSentry (though, to be fair, the Scrappification of this character only came into full when other writers began using him; Jenkins has nobody to blame but himself for the disastrous ''Fallen Sun'', however).
33	** In '' ComicBook/XMenTheKrakoanAge'', Moira X became this after ''Inferno'', as many feel her descent to outright genocidal villainy (complete with skinning Banshee and killing Jean) was rushed and sloppily handled. While many found her powers interesting when the saga began under Creator/JonathanHickman, the overall consensus is that her character took an almost ''immediate'' downturn in writing quality once he announced he was leaving the books, and the X-writers positioned her into the role of a villain.

Context TheScrappy / MarvelUniverse