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** While the reaction was better described as confusion than actual dislike, fans were surprised by the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]], as the popular assumption was that [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing ''all'' of the playable party members from ''1'' outside of Shulk and Melia]], due to Riku mentioning that [[spoiler:the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result Riku's previous line that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword]] was translated in the English localization as plural out of an assumption that Riku's line about [[spoiler:"everyone" being present was meant literally, since the number of party members conveniently happened to be seven]]; conversely, Japanese fans were confused by what turned out to be a ContinuityNod referencing [[spoiler:Fiora's old popular FanNickname; since this nickname was largely limited to the West, it was a region-specific PunnyName that ended up being LostInTranslation for most of those fans]].

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** While the reaction was better described as confusion than actual dislike, fans were surprised by the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]], as the popular assumption was that [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing ''all'' of the playable party members from ''1'' outside of Shulk and Melia]], due to Riku mentioning that [[spoiler:the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result Riku's previous line that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword]] was translated in the English localization as plural out of an assumption that Riku's line about [[spoiler:"everyone" being present was meant literally, since the number of party members conveniently happened to be seven]]; conversely, seven]]. Conversely, Japanese fans were confused by what turned out to be a ContinuityNod referencing [[spoiler:Fiora's old popular FanNickname; since this nickname was largely limited to the West, it was a region-specific PunnyName that ended up being LostInTranslation for most of those fans]].
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** Bizarrely,[[note]]given that he was one of the best party members both in [[VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1 his own game]] and as a GuestFighter in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'',[[/note]] Shulk, for essentially the same reason as Zeon's Guardian Commander class in the base game. While he does have extremely high survivability when the game actually lets him tank, it's not as useful as it should be due to his only means of drawing aggro being a rather unreliable single-target Lock-On Art, especially since he's forced to compete with Nikol for what little aggro is left after [[GlassCannon Rex]] hogs it all, when 3's gameplay meta favors a single tank for optimal results. It doesn't help that while Shulk's base Arts and skills are overall better than Zeon's, they suffer from the same issue of getting the Awakening buff to proc, which requires a lot of setup unless you use a certain Unity Combo, further limiting his ability to draw aggro. He performs better in [[spoiler:the Archsage's Gauntlet in the base game, where his high endurance can be an asset, he's one of the few Heroes with a Break art, and the "Debuff Rate Up" and "Debuff to Break" emblems can make him better at his job.]]

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** Bizarrely,[[note]]given that he was one of the best party members both in [[VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1 his own game]] and as a GuestFighter in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'',[[/note]] Shulk, for essentially the same reason as Zeon's Guardian Commander class in the base game. While he does have extremely high survivability when the game actually lets him tank, it's not as useful as it should be due to his only means of drawing aggro being a rather unreliable single-target Lock-On Art, especially since he's forced to compete with Nikol for what little aggro is left after [[GlassCannon Rex]] hogs it all, when 3's gameplay meta favors a single tank for optimal results. It doesn't help that while Shulk's base Arts and skills are overall better than Zeon's, they suffer from the same issue of getting the Awakening buff to proc, which requires a lot of setup unless you use a certain Unity Combo, further limiting his ability to draw aggro. He performs better in [[spoiler:the Archsage's Gauntlet in the base game, where his high endurance can be an asset, he's one of the few Heroes with a Break art, and the "Debuff Rate Up" and "Debuff to Break" emblems can make him better at his job.]]
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** Bizarrely,[[note]]given that he was one of the best party members both in [[VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1 his own game]] and as a GuestFighter in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'',[[/note]] Shulk, for essentially the same reason as Zeon's Guardian Commander class in the base game. While he does have extremely high survivability when the game actually lets him tank, it's not as useful as it should be due to his only means of drawing aggro being a rather unreliable single-target Lock-On Art, especially since he's forced to compete with Nikol for what little aggro is left after [[GlassCannon Rex]] hogs it all, when 3's gameplay meta favors a single tank for optimal results. It doesn't help that while Shulk's base Arts and skills are overall better than Zeon's, they suffer from the same issue of getting the Awakening buff to proc, which requires a lot of setup unless you use a certain Unity Combo, further limiting his ability to draw aggro.

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** Bizarrely,[[note]]given that he was one of the best party members both in [[VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles1 his own game]] and as a GuestFighter in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'',[[/note]] Shulk, for essentially the same reason as Zeon's Guardian Commander class in the base game. While he does have extremely high survivability when the game actually lets him tank, it's not as useful as it should be due to his only means of drawing aggro being a rather unreliable single-target Lock-On Art, especially since he's forced to compete with Nikol for what little aggro is left after [[GlassCannon Rex]] hogs it all, when 3's gameplay meta favors a single tank for optimal results. It doesn't help that while Shulk's base Arts and skills are overall better than Zeon's, they suffer from the same issue of getting the Awakening buff to proc, which requires a lot of setup unless you use a certain Unity Combo, further limiting his ability to draw aggro. He performs better in [[spoiler:the Archsage's Gauntlet in the base game, where his high endurance can be an asset, he's one of the few Heroes with a Break art, and the "Debuff Rate Up" and "Debuff to Break" emblems can make him better at his job.]]
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** While [[ThatOneBoss extremely challenging]], the DualBoss training fight against Shulk and Rex as Nikol and Glimmer is a very cool and memorable moment that shows how powerful two of the series' most iconic protagonists have become, with you facing off against them as their children. It helps that it's the only story boss fight in the entire ''[=XC3=]'' suite that uses the popular "You Will Know Our Names -- Finale" as its background music, making the battle even more awesome and triumphant.

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** While [[ThatOneBoss extremely challenging]], the DualBoss training fight against Shulk and Rex as Nikol and Glimmer is a very cool and memorable moment that shows how powerful two of the series' most iconic protagonists have become, with you facing off against them as their children. It helps that it's the only story boss fight in the entire ''[=XC3=]'' suite that uses the popular "You Will Know Our Names -- Finale" as its background music, making the battle even more awesome and triumphant. It can be seen as the ''Xenoblade Chronicles'' equivalent of [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsI Ornstein and Smough]].
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** While [[ThatOneBoss extremely challenging]], the DualBoss fight against Shulk and Rex as Nikol and Glimmer is a very cool and memorable moment that shows how powerful two of the series' most iconic protagonists have become, with you facing off against them as their children. It helps that it's the only story boss fight in the entire ''[=XC3=]'' suite that uses the popular "You Will Know Our Names -- Finale" as its background music, making the battle even more awesome and triumphant.

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** While [[ThatOneBoss extremely challenging]], the DualBoss training fight against Shulk and Rex as Nikol and Glimmer is a very cool and memorable moment that shows how powerful two of the series' most iconic protagonists have become, with you facing off against them as their children. It helps that it's the only story boss fight in the entire ''[=XC3=]'' suite that uses the popular "You Will Know Our Names -- Finale" as its background music, making the battle even more awesome and triumphant.

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* BestBossEver: The final battle against [[spoiler:Alpha]] is very highly regarded, between the awesome boss theme which is regarded as one of the best in the series, a badass design which appropriately homages [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/{{Xenogears}} Final Form Deus]] and [[VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}} Omega Metempsychosis]]]], and the fight being considered a satisfying balance of difficult, but fair gameplaywise, especially after the final boss of the base game was seen as excessively gimmicky, challenging, and unfair.

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The final battle against [[spoiler:Alpha]] is very highly regarded, between the awesome boss theme which is regarded as one of the best in the series, a badass design which appropriately homages [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/{{Xenogears}} Final Form Deus]] and [[VideoGame/{{Xenosaga}} Omega Metempsychosis]]]], and the fight being considered a satisfying balance of difficult, but fair gameplaywise, especially after the final boss of the base game was seen as excessively gimmicky, challenging, and unfair.unfair.
** While [[ThatOneBoss extremely challenging]], the DualBoss fight against Shulk and Rex as Nikol and Glimmer is a very cool and memorable moment that shows how powerful two of the series' most iconic protagonists have become, with you facing off against them as their children. It helps that it's the only story boss fight in the entire ''[=XC3=]'' suite that uses the popular "You Will Know Our Names -- Finale" as its background music, making the battle even more awesome and triumphant.
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** The reveal that [[spoiler:''Xenosaga'' and ''Xenoblade'' are connected in some fashion and that the Saviorites/Salvators[[note]]A political organization who by the time of ''Xenosaga'' were ostensibly focused on advocating for the rights of DesignerBabies[[/note]] and Vector Industries[[note]]A MegaCorp known for mass-producing ArtificialHumans called Realians[[/note]] both exist in the ''Xenoblade'' universe]] has led to theories that Galea's original Japanese name of Galatea is a MeaningfulName and that she was a Realian, DesignerBaby, or {{Transhuman}} of some kind, and that this is the reason Meyneth took the form of a machine deity in contrast to the unmodified natural human Klaus's organic Bionis, as well as the reason she was implied to become a Guldo in ''2''[[note]]Guldos are the mutated bodies of humans who infused themselves with Core Crystal technology, which is stated to have initially been developed for the purpose of replacing deteriorated brain cells, making them a form of TranshumanAbomination. The Infernal Guldo fought in ''2'' is found carrying Galea's ID card, but due to the franchise's tendency for asset reuse there is debate whether the intent is just to show that it WasOnceAMan or that it was Galea's body specifically[[/note]].

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** The reveal that [[spoiler:''Xenosaga'' and ''Xenoblade'' are connected in some fashion and that the Saviorites/Salvators[[note]]A political organization who by the time of ''Xenosaga'' were ostensibly focused on advocating for the rights of DesignerBabies[[/note]] and Vector Industries[[note]]A MegaCorp known for mass-producing ArtificialHumans called Realians[[/note]] both exist in the ''Xenoblade'' universe]] has led to theories that Galea's original Japanese name of Galatea is a MeaningfulName and that she was a Realian, DesignerBaby, or {{Transhuman}} of some kind, and that this is the reason Meyneth took the form of a machine deity in contrast to the unmodified natural human Klaus's organic Bionis, as well as the reason she was implied to become a Guldo in ''2''[[note]]Guldos are the mutated bodies of humans who infused themselves with Core Crystal technology, which is stated to have initially been developed for the purpose of replacing deteriorated brain cells, making them a form of TranshumanAbomination. The Infernal Guldo fought in ''2'' is found carrying Galea's ID card, but due to the franchise's tendency for asset reuse there is was a good amount of debate whether it was her body specifically or if the intent is was just to show that it WasOnceAMan or until WordOfGod confirmed that it was Galea's body specifically[[/note]].a random scientist[[/note]].
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Genuinely don't remember putting that sentence in there, rewriting.


* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam while having him mature out of some of his [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized less well-received beliefs]], his new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances. Also his role in this game is as a revolutionary attempting to overthrow the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam Addam, while having him mature out of some of his [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized less well-received beliefs]], his beliefs]] by having him fight as a revolutionary overthrowing the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values. His new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances. Also his role in this game is as a revolutionary attempting to overthrow the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam while having him mature out of some of his [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized less well-received beliefs]], his new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances. Also his role in this game is as a revolutionary attempting to overthrow the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam while having him mature out of some of his [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized less well-received beliefs]], his new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances. Also his role in this game is as a revolutionary attempting to overthrow the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values values.

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* FanDislikedExplanation: While the reaction was better described as confusion than actual dislike, fans were surprised by the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]], as the popular assumption was that [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing ''all'' of the playable party members from ''1'' outside of Shulk and Melia]], due to Riku mentioning that [[spoiler:the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result Riku's previous line that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword]] was translated in the English localization as plural out of an assumption that Riku's line about [[spoiler:"everyone" being present was meant literally, since the number of party members conveniently happened to be seven]]; conversely, Japanese fans were confused by what turned out to be a ContinuityNod referencing [[spoiler:Fiora's old popular FanNickname; since this nickname was largely limited to the West, it was a region-specific PunnyName that ended up being LostInTranslation for most of those fans]].

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While the reaction was better described as confusion than actual dislike, fans were surprised by the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]], as the popular assumption was that [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing ''all'' of the playable party members from ''1'' outside of Shulk and Melia]], due to Riku mentioning that [[spoiler:the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result Riku's previous line that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword]] was translated in the English localization as plural out of an assumption that Riku's line about [[spoiler:"everyone" being present was meant literally, since the number of party members conveniently happened to be seven]]; conversely, Japanese fans were confused by what turned out to be a ContinuityNod referencing [[spoiler:Fiora's old popular FanNickname; since this nickname was largely limited to the West, it was a region-specific PunnyName that ended up being LostInTranslation for most of those fans]].fans]].
** [[WordOfGod An interview with Tetsuya Takahashi]] in ''Aionios Moments'' that the Liberators are not TheAgeless but mortals with finite lifespans who were brought into Aionios [[AmbiguousTimePeriod shortly]] before Alpha appeared has led to mixed-to-negative reactions due to creating a great deal of confusion over the timeline of events leading into the game, since it contradicts in-game dialogue and information as well as other portions of the same guidebook about them fighting Moebius for much longer than would have been possible if that were true, as well as raising [[FridgeLogic more questions than it answers]]. To resolve the potential ContinuitySnarl, some fans have settled on [[TakeAThirdOption a compromise option]] wherein the Liberators appeared on Aionios some point after the first City's founding but long before the events of ''Future Redeemed'', and are still capable of eventually growing up and dying from old age, but [[LongLived at a slower rate than usual]].



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam, his new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: While not universally hated, Rex had many detractors in ''Xenoblade Chronicles 2'', finding him to be too generic and his voice acting less than stellar, especially compared to [[ToughActToFollow Shulk]]. The developers seem to take note of this, as Rex in ''Future Redeemed'' [[TookALevelInBadass is a completely different beast]]. His personality is regarded as more distinct and well-rounded in combining his most appealing qualities from ''2'' with the more universally liked Addam, Addam while having him mature out of some of his [[TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized less well-received beliefs]], his new design and outfit was met with high praise, his voice dub is a major improvement, his CharacterFocus is regarded as better-balanced with the rest of the cast, and he is considered the [[GameBreaker strongest party member in the DLC]]. A lot of this has caused many who had disliked him in the past to re-evaluate their stances. Also his role in this game is as a revolutionary attempting to overthrow the status quo to push the world forward, not to restore traditional values
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Fanart At First Sight is getting cut because of TRS.


* FanartAtFirstSight:
** The Reid and Cassini mentors received a ton of fanart since the base version of ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles3'' released, even before they were confirmed to be older versions of Shulk and Rex.
** Glimmer has received a lot of fanart thanks to her beautiful design and resemblance to Pyra.
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Discussed in more detail here, but the guidebook is not considered authoritative enough to be Word Of God or even a reliable resource on this matter. Tropers have collectively ruled that since the game goes out of its way to avoid treating A as a binary woman, article pages will also do the same, and any tropers caught attempting to dispute this are likely troping with an illegitimate agenda.


** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma)]] and never being referred to by any pronouns at all, to the extent that other characters consciously go out of their way to avoid the use of any kinds of gendered terms to indicate that A is regarded as androgynous in-universe. However, since A's voice actors are both female and A's appearance leans a little more towards the feminine end, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data and explicitly referred to by WordOfGod as "josei" (Japanese for "woman") in the official art book (while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are explicitly referred to with male pronouns by the game's script)]], some fans choose to treat A in fanart as a binary woman, giving A more exaggerated hips and rear along with depicting A's flat chest as a case of HiddenBuxom (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:A's sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]).

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** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma)]] and never being referred to by any pronouns at all, to the extent that other characters consciously go out of their way to avoid the use of any kinds of gendered terms regardless of language to indicate that A is regarded perceived as androgynous in-universe. However, since A's voice actors are both female and while A's appearance leans a little is more towards the feminine end, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data and explicitly referred to by WordOfGod as "josei" (Japanese for "woman") in the official art book (while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are explicitly referred to with male pronouns by the game's script)]], looking than [[spoiler:Alpha or Alvis]], some fans choose to treat A in fanart as a strictly binary woman, giving A more exaggerated hips and rear along with depicting A's flat chest as a case of HiddenBuxom (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:A's sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]).
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Rewriting as the reaction was more one of confusion and gradual acceptance/amusement rather than dislike. Not even sure this is the right trope for it.


* FanDislikedExplanation: Fans reacted with shock and confusion at the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out of nowhere as Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's line about "everyone" being present as literal since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be largely limited to the West, being a region-specific PunnyName but one that is LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]].

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* FanDislikedExplanation: Fans reacted with shock and While the reaction was better described as confusion at than actual dislike, fans were surprised by the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out Fiora]], as the popular assumption was that [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing ''all'' of nowhere as the playable party members from ''1'' outside of Shulk and Melia]], due to Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the [[spoiler:the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. ''1'']]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's Riku's previous line that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword]] was translated in the English localization as plural out of an assumption that Riku's line about "everyone" [[spoiler:"everyone" being present as literal was meant literally, since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than seven]]; conversely, Japanese fans were confused by what turned out to be a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's [[spoiler:Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be FanNickname; since this nickname was largely limited to the West, being it was a region-specific PunnyName but one that is ended up being LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]]. of those fans]].

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Fringe complaint that ignores the in-game explanation for why (Pyra and Mythra were around since the beginning and Rex wasn't). See Discussion here.


* FanDislikedExplanation:
** Fans reacted with shock and confusion at the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out of nowhere as Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's line about "everyone" being present as literal since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be largely limited to the West, being a region-specific PunnyName but one that is LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]].
** Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].[[labelnote:Note (spoilers)]]Although Matthew is implied to be Rex's great-great-grandson by way of Mio/M being his great-grandmother, which would make him a distant relative of Pyra and Mythra himself, such a connection is too convoluted and not explicit enough for many fans to realize.[[/labelnote]]

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** Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].

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** Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].[[labelnote:Note (spoilers)]]Although Matthew is implied to be Rex's great-great-grandson by way of Mio/M being his great-grandmother, which would make him a distant relative of Pyra and Mythra himself, such a connection is too convoluted and not explicit enough for many fans to realize.[[/labelnote]]
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Several passages in Aionios Moments refer to A directly as Alvis.


** While A's nature as [[spoiler:a BenevolentAI and [[TheDividual one half]] of Alvis, albeit the half that embodies Alvis's human side compared to the computer half embodied by EmptyShell Alpha, and is treated by the story as essentially Alvis where it matters]], makes it ambiguous whether A qualifies as literally transgender. A's backstory, which is ostensibly more about cold AI evolving beyond its original programming, is commonly interpreted as a direct metaphor for gender transition. [[spoiler:More specifically, it's stated that A, who has a feminine body and no explicitly stated gender identity (or at least no pronouns whatsoever) that is indicated to be more in line with Ontos' natural androgyny, formed as a result of Alvis's positive memories of the time spent with Shulk and the cast of ''1'', and it's also heavily implied that Alvis's male appearance and pronouns are the result of Klaus/Zanza's emotional baggage, despite coming from a nonbinary Core Crystal. Taken together, their backstory is commonly read as a metaphor for a closeted transgender person who was steered into adopting a certain gender presentation by a controlling parental figure (Zanza), before being welcomed by a kinder and more accepting friend (Shulk) who gave them the room to self-actualize in a way that better reflected their true gender identity]].

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** While A's nature as [[spoiler:a BenevolentAI and [[TheDividual one half]] of Alvis, albeit the half that embodies Alvis's mind and human side compared to the physical computer half embodied by EmptyShell Alpha, and is treated by the story as essentially Alvis where it matters]], makes it ambiguous whether A qualifies as literally transgender. transgender, but nonetheless A's backstory, which is ostensibly more about cold AI evolving beyond its original programming, is commonly interpreted as a direct metaphor for gender transition. [[spoiler:More specifically, it's stated that A, who has a feminine body and no explicitly stated gender identity (or at least no pronouns whatsoever) that is indicated to be more in line with Ontos' natural androgyny, formed as a result of Alvis's positive memories of the time spent with Shulk and the cast of ''1'', and it's also heavily implied that Alvis's male appearance and pronouns are the result of Klaus/Zanza's emotional baggage, despite coming from a nonbinary Core Crystal. Taken together, their backstory is commonly read as a metaphor for a closeted transgender person who was steered into adopting a certain gender presentation by a controlling parental figure (Zanza), before being welcomed by a kinder and more accepting friend (Shulk) who gave them the room to self-actualize in a way that better reflected their true gender identity]].



* TransAudienceInterpretation: A's gender identity is never ''explicitly'' stated, but it's heavily implied that they are nonbinary as a result of [[spoiler:originating from Ontos, whom Rex explicitly describes as nonbinary in gender, and that this fact is the reason for A's feminine appearance. As a result, though that would make them cis with respect to Ontos, they are commonly interpreted as transgender with respect to their past memories of being Alvis, who had a masculine appearance and he/him pronouns, with the new context on Ontos causing Alvis himself to also be interpreted as a trans man]].

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* TransAudienceInterpretation: A's gender identity is never ''explicitly'' stated, but it's heavily implied that they are A is nonbinary as a result of [[spoiler:originating from Ontos, whom Rex explicitly describes as nonbinary in gender, and that this fact is the reason for A's feminine appearance. As a result, though that would make them A cis with respect to Ontos, they are A is commonly interpreted as transgender with respect to their past memories of being A's previous identity as Alvis, who had a masculine appearance and he/him pronouns, with the new context on Ontos also causing Alvis himself to also be interpreted as a trans man]].
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The official art book and the series' creator refers to A as a woman.


** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma)]] and never being referred to by any pronouns at all, to the extent that other characters consciously go out of their way to avoid the use of any kinds of gendered terms to indicate that A is regarded as androgynous in-universe. However, since A's voice actors are both female and A's appearance leans a little more towards the feminine end, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data (while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are explicitly referred to with male pronouns by the game's script]], some fans choose to treat A in fanart as a binary woman, giving A more exaggerated hips and rear along with depicting A's flat chest as a case of HiddenBuxom (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:A's sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]).

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** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma)]] and never being referred to by any pronouns at all, to the extent that other characters consciously go out of their way to avoid the use of any kinds of gendered terms to indicate that A is regarded as androgynous in-universe. However, since A's voice actors are both female and A's appearance leans a little more towards the feminine end, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data and explicitly referred to by WordOfGod as "josei" (Japanese for "woman") in the official art book (while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are explicitly referred to with male pronouns by the game's script]], script)]], some fans choose to treat A in fanart as a binary woman, giving A more exaggerated hips and rear along with depicting A's flat chest as a case of HiddenBuxom (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:A's sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]).

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Yeah this is a better trope for it


* FanDislikedExplanation: Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].

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** Fans reacted with shock and confusion at the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out of nowhere as Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's line about "everyone" being present as literal since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be largely limited to the West, being a region-specific PunnyName but one that is LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]].
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Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some fans reaction to the interview within the art book Aionios Moments:
** Fans reacted with shock and confusion at the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out of nowhere as Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's line about "everyone" being present as literal since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be largely limited to the West, being a region-specific PunnyName but one that is LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]].
** Some fans of [[spoiler:Pyra and Mythra]] who were disappointed that [[spoiler:not only did they also decide to incarnate as an inanimate object (the Ouroboros Gauntlets/Veiled Sword), but one completely unconnected to Rex despite his presence in Aionios, when it would have even been appropriate for them to incarnate as Rex's Blade rather than him using a replica]]. While this one at least was explicitly shown in the game with [[spoiler:Matthew's gauntlets being shown to house the Pneuma core]], said reveal seemed to come out of nowhere even before the artbook was released and defied the bond between Driver and Blade as shown in ''[=XC2=]'' by having them [[spoiler:arbitrarily "abandon" Rex for a different "Driver", even being passed down to a ''Kevesi'']].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Some fans reaction to the interview within the art book Aionios Moments:
** Fans reacted with shock and confusion at the reveal that Lucky Seven [[spoiler:was the transformed body of Fiora]]. Granted, it's not ''completely'' out of nowhere as Riku does state that [[spoiler:a person/people dear to Melia resides inside the sword, before later mentioning that the sword metaphorically carried the wills of of Shulk and Melia's companions from ''1'']]; since the English localization explicitly translates both lines in the plural, players had assumed [[spoiler:Lucky Seven was forged from Origin metal shards containing the rest of ''1'''s party outside of Shulk and Melia]]. Part of the cause for confusion is that Japanese nouns do not always mark for singular/plural; as a result many interpreted [[spoiler:Riku's line about "everyone" being present as literal since the number of playable party members conveniently happened to be seven, rather than a ContinuityNod referencing Fiora's old popular FanNickname (one which also happens to be largely limited to the West, being a region-specific PunnyName but one that is LostInTranslation for most Japanese fans)]].
** Some fans of [[spoiler:Pyra and Mythra]] who were disappointed that [[spoiler:not only did they also decide to incarnate as an inanimate object (the Ouroboros Gauntlets/Veiled Sword), but one completely unconnected to Rex despite his presence in Aionios, when it would have even been appropriate for them to incarnate as Rex's Blade rather than him using a replica]]. While this one at least was explicitly shown in the game with [[spoiler:Matthew's gauntlets being shown to house the Pneuma core]], said reveal seemed to come out of nowhere even before the artbook was released and defied the bond between Driver and Blade as shown in ''[=XC2=]'' by having them [[spoiler:arbitrarily "abandon" Rex for a different "Driver", even being passed down to a ''Kevesi'']].
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* FanDislikedExplanation: Some ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'' fans weren't fond of TheReveal that [[spoiler:Matthew's Ouroboros Gauntlets (later Noah's Veiled Sword) contained the Pneuma core]], even moreso [[spoiler:the later explanation in the ''[=XC3=]'' artbook that it was the form that Pyra and Mythra chose to take in Aionios]]. The main reason for this is that ''[=XC2=]'' made a big deal about the bond between Drivers and Blades, and the ending of ''[=XC3=]'' chose to reinforce [[spoiler:Rex's connection with Pyra and Mythra by showing that he married them along with Nia,]] thus making it seem like [[spoiler:the two of them [[AssPull arbitrarily abandoned Rex for another "Driver" without explanation]], going against what their bond had previously stood for]]. Many of these fans felt that it would have been much more sensible if [[spoiler:they had incarnated as Rex's inanimate Firelight Swords]].
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* GameBreaker: Rex is the overall best character in ''Future Redeemed'' due to being a CriticalHitClass just like he was when equipped with Mythra or Fiora in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2''. His "Heroic Spirit" skill helps negate his initial GlassCannon status, and the rest of his skills combined with his propensity for multi-hit attacks boost his already-insane crit damage even higher as well as allow him to bypass enemy defense. As a result, Double Spinning Edge is incredibly powerful SpamAttack due to recharging after every CriticalHit, not to mention he is the only character with access to the full Driver combo, as he has Break, Topple, and Launch and can finish off the combo with any Union Strike. It's telling that his main weakness is being ''too'' strong, since his high damage will rapidly draw aggro away from others and onto him, leaving him liable to be overwhelmed.
* GeniusBonus: Ontos' nonbinary gender identity is rooted in longstanding Kabbalistic thought. One of the major figures from ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' that Alvis is based off of (and may even literally be a prototype of in-universe, according to some AllThereInTheManual hints) was Kadomony, the biological supercomputer responsible for Deus' power and the creation of all life on its planet. Kadomony's name is a [[InconsistentSpelling mistranslation]] of the Kabbalistic figure of ''Adam ha-Kadmoni'' or ''Adam Kadmon'', aka "primordial or conceptual man". According to Midrashic tradition, Adam Kadmon is a nonbinary androgyne containing aspects of both male and female. As Ontos is based off of ''Adam Kadmon'', it holds that Ontos would be the same way genderwise.

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* GameBreaker: Rex is the overall best character in ''Future Redeemed'' due to being a CriticalHitClass just like he was when equipped with Mythra or Fiora in ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2''. His "Heroic Spirit" skill helps negate his initial GlassCannon status, and the rest of his skills combined with his propensity for multi-hit attacks boost his already-insane crit damage even higher as well as allow him to bypass enemy defense. As a result, Double Spinning Edge is incredibly powerful SpamAttack due to recharging after every CriticalHit, not to mention he is the only character with access to the full Driver combo, as he has Break, Topple, and Launch and can finish off the combo with any Union Strike. It's telling that his main weakness is being ''too'' strong, since his high damage will rapidly draw aggro away from others and onto him, leaving him liable to be overwhelmed.
overwhelmed -- in which case the player can merely switch to A or Glimmer, revive Rex, and buff him before switching control back and continuing the onslaught.
* GeniusBonus: Ontos' nonbinary gender identity is rooted in longstanding Kabbalistic thought. One of the major figures from ''VideoGame/{{Xenogears}}'' that Alvis is based off of (and may even literally be a prototype of in-universe, according to some AllThereInTheManual hints) was Kadomony, the biological supercomputer responsible for Deus' lDeus' power and the creation of all life on its planet. Kadomony's name is a [[InconsistentSpelling mistranslation]] of the Kabbalistic figure of ''Adam ha-Kadmoni'' or ''Adam Kadmon'', aka "primordial or conceptual man". According to Midrashic tradition, Adam Kadmon is a nonbinary androgyne containing aspects of both male and female. As Ontos is based off of ''Adam Kadmon'', it holds that Ontos would be the same way genderwise.
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You can be anatomically female and still gendered as nonbinary. A lot of artists who give A large breasts or ship A with other characters still refer to the character by they/them.


** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma) and never being referred to by any pronouns at all]]. However, due to their feminine appearance and being voiced by actresses, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are outright referred to in the story with male pronouns]], some fans choose to portray A in fanart as outright female, putting particular emphasis on her godlike hips and rear along with enlarging her chest (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:her sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]) and also showing her as having strong sexual tension with Matthew (or sometimes even Shulk or Rex).

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** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma) Pneuma)]] and never being referred to by any pronouns at all]]. all, to the extent that other characters consciously go out of their way to avoid the use of any kinds of gendered terms to indicate that A is regarded as androgynous in-universe. However, due to their feminine since A's voice actors are both female and A's appearance and being voiced by actresses, leans a little more towards the feminine end, along with [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data while (while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are outright explicitly referred to in the story with male pronouns]], pronouns by the game's script]], some fans choose to portray treat A in fanart as outright female, putting particular emphasis on her godlike a binary woman, giving A more exaggerated hips and rear along with enlarging her depicting A's flat chest as a case of HiddenBuxom (though usually not to the extent of [[spoiler:her [[spoiler:A's sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra]]) and also showing her as having strong sexual tension with Matthew (or sometimes even Shulk or Rex).Mythra]]).
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** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma) and never being referred to by any pronouns at all. However, due to their feminine appearance and being voiced by actresses, along with being coded as female ("1") in the game data while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are outright referred to in the story with male pronouns, some fans choose to portray A in fanart as outright female, putting particular emphasis on her godlike hips and rear along with enlarging her chest (though usually not to the extent of her sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra) and also showing her as having strong sexual tension with Matthew (or sometimes even Shulk or Rex).

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** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being an [[spoiler:an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma) and never being referred to by any pronouns at all. all]]. However, due to their feminine appearance and being voiced by actresses, along with being [[spoiler:being coded as female ("1") in the game data while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are outright referred to in the story with male pronouns, pronouns]], some fans choose to portray A in fanart as outright female, putting particular emphasis on her godlike hips and rear along with enlarging her chest (though usually not to the extent of her [[spoiler:her sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra) Mythra]]) and also showing her as having strong sexual tension with Matthew (or sometimes even Shulk or Rex).

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** While A's nature as [[spoiler:a BenevolentAI and [[TheDividual one half]] of Alvis, albeit the half that embodies Alvis's human side compared to the computer half embodied by EmptyShell Alpha, and is treated by the story as essentially Alvis where it matters]], makes it ambiguous whether A qualifies as literally transgender. A's backstory, which is ostensibly more about cold AI evolving beyond its original programming, is commonly interpreted as a direct metaphor for gender transition. [[spoiler:More specifically, it's stated that A, who has a feminine body and nonbinary gender identity that is indicated to be more in line with Ontos' natural androgyny, formed as a result of Alvis's positive memories of the time spent with Shulk and the cast of ''1'', and it's also heavily implied that Alvis's male appearance and pronouns are the result of Klaus/Zanza's emotional baggage, despite coming from a nonbinary Core Crystal. Taken together, their backstory is commonly read as a metaphor for a closeted transgender person who was steered into adopting a certain gender presentation by a controlling parental figure (Zanza), before being welcomed by a kinder and more accepting friend (Shulk) who gave them the room to self-actualize in a way that better reflected their true gender identity]].

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** While A's nature as [[spoiler:a BenevolentAI and [[TheDividual one half]] of Alvis, albeit the half that embodies Alvis's human side compared to the computer half embodied by EmptyShell Alpha, and is treated by the story as essentially Alvis where it matters]], makes it ambiguous whether A qualifies as literally transgender. A's backstory, which is ostensibly more about cold AI evolving beyond its original programming, is commonly interpreted as a direct metaphor for gender transition. [[spoiler:More specifically, it's stated that A, who has a feminine body and nonbinary no explicitly stated gender identity (or at least no pronouns whatsoever) that is indicated to be more in line with Ontos' natural androgyny, formed as a result of Alvis's positive memories of the time spent with Shulk and the cast of ''1'', and it's also heavily implied that Alvis's male appearance and pronouns are the result of Klaus/Zanza's emotional baggage, despite coming from a nonbinary Core Crystal. Taken together, their backstory is commonly read as a metaphor for a closeted transgender person who was steered into adopting a certain gender presentation by a controlling parental figure (Zanza), before being welcomed by a kinder and more accepting friend (Shulk) who gave them the room to self-actualize in a way that better reflected their true gender identity]].



* SelfFanservice: While Na'el is curvaceous as is, her design has been subject to a lot of [[RuleThirtyFour lewd]] fan art, typically giving her a bigger CleavageWindow and making her leather blouse and stockings more [[FormFittingWardrobe form-fitting]].

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* SelfFanservice: SelfFanservice:
** A is OtherworldlyAndSexuallyAmbiguous due to being an incarnation of Ontos (stated by Rex to be between the male Logos and the female Pneuma) and never being referred to by any pronouns at all. However, due to their feminine appearance and being voiced by actresses, along with being coded as female ("1") in the game data while their other half Alpha and combined past incarnation Alvis are outright referred to in the story with male pronouns, some fans choose to portray A in fanart as outright female, putting particular emphasis on her godlike hips and rear along with enlarging her chest (though usually not to the extent of her sister Pneuma, AKA Pyra and Mythra) and also showing her as having strong sexual tension with Matthew (or sometimes even Shulk or Rex).
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While Na'el is curvaceous as is, her design has been subject to a lot of [[RuleThirtyFour lewd]] fan art, typically giving her a bigger CleavageWindow and making her leather blouse and stockings more [[FormFittingWardrobe form-fitting]].
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Crosswicking, as per Red Link saying it's okay with creators


* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: When the game released, Rex having a TimeShiftedActor in English received some of this, as he's now voiced by Fergus O'Donnell instead of Al Weaver. While O'Donnell by no means did a bad job (and has been praised for retaining Rex's spirit), some fans were disappointed at the recast. While Rex significantly aging compared to his initial appearance in ''2'' and [[WordOfGod the English voice director]] [[https://twitter.com/JimmyLstone/status/1678679373954547714 stating]] they wanted an older actor rather than bring Weaver back are essentially why, how Creator/HiroShimono was able to return in Japanese (to where people were also unsure if it was still him before he was confirmed to return) raises the question if Weaver could have also been able to do an older version of Rex, let alone how they could have tried to bring him back before going for an older actor. Not helping this a tad is some fans feel that O'Donnell's Rex doesn't feel the same in certain instances; some even find it jarring to hear a near-unfamiliar voice alongside Shulk, who is naturally still voiced by Creator/AdamHowden (and then there's how this decision essentially [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate once]] [[SidelinedProtagonistCrossover again]] snubbed Weaver of a chance to extensively play Rex with better voice direction).

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: When the game released, Rex having a TimeShiftedActor in English received some of this, as he's now voiced by Fergus O'Donnell instead of Al Weaver.Creator/AlWeaver. While O'Donnell by no means did a bad job (and has been praised for retaining Rex's spirit), some fans were disappointed at the recast. While Rex significantly aging compared to his initial appearance in ''2'' and [[WordOfGod the English voice director]] [[https://twitter.com/JimmyLstone/status/1678679373954547714 stating]] they wanted an older actor rather than bring Weaver back are essentially why, how Creator/HiroShimono was able to return in Japanese (to where people were also unsure if it was still him before he was confirmed to return) raises the question if Weaver could have also been able to do an older version of Rex, let alone how they could have tried to bring him back before going for an older actor. Not helping this a tad is some fans feel that O'Donnell's Rex doesn't feel the same in certain instances; some even find it jarring to hear a near-unfamiliar voice alongside Shulk, who is naturally still voiced by Creator/AdamHowden (and then there's how this decision essentially [[VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate once]] [[SidelinedProtagonistCrossover again]] snubbed Weaver of a chance to extensively play Rex with better voice direction).
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Removing this section because it is not a part of Memetic Badass and because it's more relevant to Memetic Sex God which is now banned.


* MemeticBadass: Following from his cameo appearance at the end of the base game, Rex is treated by many fans as a "gigachad" thanks to his new, older design and voice, three beautiful wives, and [[GameBreaker extreme combat prowess]]. This is often used to contrast his appearance as a scrawny kid in his own game, with many of his former fans feeling validated and some of his former haters re-evaluating their opinions of him.

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* MemeticBadass: Following from his cameo appearance at the end of the base game, Rex is treated by many fans as a "gigachad" thanks to his new, older design and voice, three beautiful wives, voice and [[GameBreaker extreme combat prowess]]. This is often used to contrast his appearance as a scrawny kid in his own game, with many of his former fans feeling validated and some of his former haters re-evaluating their opinions of him.
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** Widespread consensus is that the worst party member isn't Shulk or Nikol, but rather [[spoiler:Na'el]], mostly stemming from the fact that [[spoiler:she]] can't be player-controlled and, unlike many of the Heroes from the base game, doesn't provide any inherent benefits to the party. Being a strong Ether attacker, being able to control [[spoiler:Na'el]] would be very helpful for some of the {{Superboss}} fights, particularly Stronghammer Dorga, which is especially egregious as [[spoiler:the player controls her in a short flashback segment]]. But [[spoiler:her]] biggest flaw is that [[spoiler:she]] can easily screw up Chain Attacks and prevent the player from completing a Unity pairing before the meter runs out, and while this can be remedied by giving [[spoiler:her]] a manual that fills the Chain Attack gauge similar to Fiona, it's still considered pretty inconsistent.
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* ContestedSequel: The extremely ContinuityPorn-heavy nature of ''Future Redeemed'' in contrast to the base game of ''3'', which deliberately left its references to the previous games vague in order to avoid ContinuityLockout for series newcomers, results in opinions on it being somewhat split. ''Future Redeemed'' requires detailed knowledge of and directly follows up on the stories of ''Xenoblade 1'' and ''2'', and is filled with fanservicey references to the old games, meaning it tends to be very well-liked by fans of those games (to the point of many of them considering it the absolute best game in the series), whereas fans who prefer or got into the series through ''3'' tend to be more critical, believing that ''Future Redeemed'' has far too much fanservice and the kind of ContinuityLockOut they praise the base game for avoiding. Another source of conflict is the fact that it was extremely popular to interpret the BittersweetEnding of ''3'' as much heavier on the bitter side than the sweet, with the two worlds going their separate ways and mostly forgetting about each other, to promote a message about learning to let go of the past and accepting an uncertain future; ''Future Redeemed'' establishes that [[spoiler:Ouroboros was conclusively able to bring the two worlds and their inhabitants together for good, and that their reunion may have take place almost immediately after Origin is reset]], which many fans praise as a case of EarnYourHappyEnding, but which fans of that interpretation believe is an unnecessarily saccharine betrayal of ''3'''s themes.

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* ContestedSequel: The extremely ContinuityPorn-heavy nature of ''Future Redeemed'' in contrast to the base game of ''3'', which deliberately left its references to the previous games vague in order to avoid ContinuityLockout for series newcomers, results in opinions on it being somewhat split. ''Future Redeemed'' requires detailed knowledge of and directly follows up on the stories of ''Xenoblade 1'' and ''2'', and is filled with fanservicey references to the old games, meaning it tends to be very well-liked by fans of those games (to the point of many of them considering it the absolute best game in the series), whereas fans who prefer or got into the series through ''3'' tend to be more critical, believing that ''Future Redeemed'' has far too much fanservice and the kind of ContinuityLockOut they praise the base game for avoiding.avoiding; ironically, the lack of connection to characters from the base game aside from N, Riku and to a lesser extent Z and M caused ''[=XC3=]''-only fans to feel somewhat alienated, echoing one of the issues that some series veterans had with the base game. Another source of conflict is the fact that it was extremely popular to interpret the BittersweetEnding of ''3'' as much heavier on the bitter side than the sweet, with the two worlds going their separate ways and mostly forgetting about each other, to promote a message about learning to let go of the past and accepting an uncertain future; ''Future Redeemed'' establishes that [[spoiler:Ouroboros was conclusively able to bring the two worlds and their inhabitants together for good, and that their reunion may have take place almost immediately after Origin is reset]], which many fans praise as a case of EarnYourHappyEnding, but which fans of that interpretation believe is an unnecessarily saccharine betrayal of ''3'''s themes.

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