History YMMV / Wolverine

** The Husband from Jason Aaron's run lost his wife and unborn child in the crossfire of a battle between Wolverine and the Hulk, with a newscast later stating that Wolverine saved the day and that there were "no casualties." This is awful, but then it is revealed that, unlike the other Red Right Hand members, the Husband was dementedly bloodthirsty even before he met the Founder, going out at night and beating random homeless men to death with a baseball bat after forcing them to dress like Wolverine, meaning he was taking his anger over the loss of his own innocent family out on other innocents who, unlike the people on the Founder's hitlist, did not even have anything to do with Wolverine.

*** Wolverine and Mystique have been depicted as having at least an implied relationship in some other continuities as well, such as ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'' and ''ComicBook/HouseOfM''.

* UnexpectedCharacter: Wolverine's first monthly solo comic in 1989 included [[Characters/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]] as a supporting character. This was her first ever reappearance in comics in several years. But it would be several more years before she'd become an important and lead character again.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or claim that he had no choice but to kill and show him angsting about how he hates killing and wishes that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, most of the time Wolverine doesn’t need to kill, he chooses to, and he could easily avoid most of the deaths he causes by simply not using his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's angst and supposed ambivalence about killing can come off as pretty disingenuous when in the very next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This, plus the fact he has on multiple occasions killed people explicitly for vengeance, means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills people as and when he pleases while paying lip service to the idea that it should be a last resort, relying on his immense social capital to get the benefit of the doubt and avoid consequences.

* MoralEventHorizon: Sabretooth crossed this long, long ago, but (for Logan) it was when he [[CartwrightCurse beat, mauled, raped and killed Silver Fox]], then left her body in her and Logan's cabin for Logan to find. What really puts Sabretooth over the top is that Logan immediately ran off for a RoaringRampageOfRevenge. Which, once he found him, he didn't win... [[spoiler:The incident turned out to be a faked memory that was implanted in Logan, Sabretooth, ''and'' Silver Fox by the Weapon X program... and then Sabretooth ended up killing Silver Fox anyway.]]
** The big one for Sabretooth was when Tieri wrote him raiding a daycare center and casually eating the terrified children as snack food.
** Creed now has yet another truly heinous act under his belt in the form of feigning affection towards Daken and playing the role of the father he never had so he could [[spoiler: slowly groom him for a fatal confrontation with Wolverine which did indeed come to fruition, forcing him to kill his own son. Also, he obviously never actually meant any of the kindness he showed to Daken and would have killed him himself if the plan didn't take.]] Why did Creed do this? Simple. He just wanted to hurt Logan on a level far deeper than he could ever manage on his own, and he succeeded.

* {{Squick}}: Some of what happens to Wolverine, as well as stuff he's done to himself, is just stomach-turning.
** Getting the adamantium yanked out of him was one of the most gruesome moments of the 90s, especially so since when it happened, Magneto didn't completely extract the metal, leaving Logan looking like a cross between a pincushion and a melted candle.
** Any time he uses his claws to cut up and serve food to other people, given that his claws are kept inside his arm.
** Not seen, but mentioned by him: while trapped under a glacier for six months, he survived by slicing off and eating pieces of his arm.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or claim that he had no choice but to kill and show him angsting about how he hates killing and wishes that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, most of the time Wolverine doesn’t need to kill, he chooses to, and he could easily avoid most of the deaths he causes by simply not using his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disingenuous when in the very next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This, plus the fact he has on multiple occasions killed people explicitly for vengeance, means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills people as and when he pleases while paying lip service to the idea that it should be a last resort, relying on his immense social capital to get the benefit of the doubt and avoid consequences.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or claim that he had no choice but to kill and show him angsting about how he hates killing and wishes that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, most of the time Wolverine doesn’t need to kill, he chooses to. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disingenuous when in the very next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This, plus the fact he has on multiple occasions killed people explicitly for vengeance, means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills people as and when he pleases while paying lip service to the idea that it should be a last resort.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or claim that he had no choice but to kill and show him angsting about how he hates killing and wishes that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disingenuous when in the very next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This, plus the fact he has repeatedly killed people explicitly for vengeance, means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills as a matter of course while paying lip service to the idea that it should be a last resort.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or show him angsting about how he hates killing and wishes that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disingenuous when in the very next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills as a matter of course while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills as a matter of course while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort.

-->'''Storm:''' You possess speed, strength. Your unbreakable adamantium skeleton makes you nearly invulnerable. You should not need your claws except in the most extreme of situations. Against the deadliest and most powerful of foes.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inherently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** The [[Comicbook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate]] version is this even more so. Ultimate Wolverine was initially characterised as totally lacking all of 616 Wolverine's redeeming traits, being depicted as a shameless, amoral and [[DirtyOldMan frankly]] [[{{Ephebophile}} creepy]] JerkAss, culminating in [[spoiler:his attempted [[MurderTheHypotenuse cold blooded murder]] of Cyclops]]. Some fans believed the later CharacterDevelopment which brought him closer in line with his mainstream portrayal made for an effective redemptive arc and that he had become a true hero by the time [[spoiler:he was killed in ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'']]; others believed that the character was unsalvageable and impossible to see as anything but a villain.

** Wolverine is not the only Marvel hero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** Wolverine is not the only superhero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, but they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying it because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** Wolverine is not the only superhero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, bt they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying killing because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that he is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** Wolverine is not the only superhero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, bt they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying killing because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he could avoid it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that his life is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** Wolverine is not the only superhero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, bt they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying killing because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he didn't have to do it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that his life is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComicBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

** Wolverine is not the only superhero who kills, but he is the only one who kills regularly without consequence. Marvel know that a major reason why people buy Wolverine's comics is to watch him carve up people like a Thanksgiving turkey, bt they also know that they can't show him wanting to kill or enjoying killing because that would make him a psychopath. Therefore, they need to either justify his actions as self-defence or excuse them by showing him angsting about how he hates "having" to kill and wishing that he didn't have to do it. The problem with that is that Wolverine's functional immortality gives him such an advantage over an average person that his life is almost never in danger, that, plus his centuries of combat experience and when you consider how hard a man with metal bones in his fists can hit, means Logan could easily overpower most people he fights non-lethally. The simple fact is, while lethal force may be necessary or even arguably justified against the likes of Sabretooth or Omega Red, if Wolverine was serious about not killing simple {{Mooks}} armed with guns, all he would have to do is just not use his claws. Similarly, Wolverine's regrets over taking a life can come off as pretty disigneuous when in the next story he'll be right back to "snikt, bub!". This means a lot of the time Wolverine can look like somebody who kills on the flimsiest excuse while paying lip service to the idea that it was a last resort. This is especially egregious since there are many Marvel heroes, even many X-Men, with far more inhrently lethal or dangerous powers than Wolverine who manage to exercise the restraint necessary to not kill people, a standard Logan himself isn't held to [[ProtagonisCenteredMorality in- or out of universe]]; and Marvel have proven with [[ComixBook/{{X23}} X-23's]] run with the mantle that it is entirely possible to write a Wolverine who refuses to kill.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, what with his tendency to kill people that he could probably have just beaten up or unilaterally [[IDidWhatIHadToDo take it upon himself]] to [[KickTheDog cross moral lines]], but he got hit by it ''hard'' in the early 2010's. Wolverine's devolution from charming asshole and complex, self-doubting antihero into sanctimonious, spiteful, bullying hypocrite who was inexplicably presented as a wise and benevolent mentor figure is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, what with his tendency to unilaterally decide to [[KickTheDog cross moral lines]] for a vaguely defined [[IDidWhatIHadToDo “greater good”]], but he got hit by it ''hard'' in the early 2010's. Wolverine's devolution from charming asshole and complex, self-doubting antihero into sanctimonious, spiteful, bullying hypocrite who was inexplicably presented as a wise and benevolent mentor figure is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans of ''ComicBook/XMen'' and ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' books have been known to resent his... [[SpotlightStealingSquad tendency towards ubiquitousness.]] His recent characterization has also not helped matters, as he is often portrayed as a really nasty, self-righteous {{Hypocrite}}. Then there is off course his overexposure in non-comic medias...

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, what with his tendency to unilaterally decide to [[KickTheDog cross moral lines]] for a vaguely defined [[IDidWhatIHadToDo “greater good”]], but he got hit by it ''hard'' in the early 2010's. Wolverine's regression from charming asshole and complex, self-doubting antihero into sanctimonious, spiteful, bullying hypocrite is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, what with his tendency to unilaterally decide to [[KickTheDog cross moral lines]] for a vaguely defined [[IDidWhatIHadToDo “greater good”]], but he got hit by it ''hard'' in the mid-2010's. Wolverine's regression from charming asshole and complex, self-doubting antihero into sanctimonious, spiteful, bullying hypocrite is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, what with his tendency to unilaterally decide to [[KickTheDog cross moral lines]] for a vaguely defined [[IDidWhatIHadToDo “greater good”]], but he got hit by it ''hard'' in the mid-2010's. Wolverine's regression from charming asshole and complex, self-doubting antihero into sanctimonious, spiteful hypocrite is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: He has drifted in and out of this over the years, but got hit by it ''hard'' in the mid-2010's. Wolverine's devolution from charming asshole and edgy antihero into self-righteous, spiteful hypocrite is considered a major symptom of the franchise-wide DorkAge the X-Men were going through at the time.

** The [[Comicbook/UltimateMarvel Ultimate]] version is this even more so. Ultimate Wolverine was initially characterised as totally lacking all of 616 Wolverine's redeeming traits, being depicted as a shameless, amoral and [[DirtyOldMan frankly]] [[{{Ephebophile}} creepy]] JerkAss, culminating in [[spoiler:his attempted [[MurderTheHypotenuse cold blooded murder]] of Cyclops]]. Some fans believed the later CharacterDevelopment which brought him closer in line with his mainstream portrayal made for an effective redemptive arc and that he had become a true hero by the time [[spoiler:he was killed in ''ComicBook/{{Ultimatum}}'']]; others believed that the character was unsalvageable and impossible to see as anything but a villain after all that.