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* ComeForTheXStayForTheY: Come for the creepy weirdness and dark humor, stay for Cecil and Carlos's {{Adorkable}} blossoming romance.
** Or, if you're a YaoiFangirl or HoYay shipper, it could be the other way around.
** Come because you heard Creator/MaraWilson, [[Series/{{Fringe}} Jasika Nicole]], or [[WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers James Urbaniak]] guest-starred on an episode, stay for one or both of the aforementioned reasons.
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Kevin and the Smiling God are not an ongoing arc. So that isn't arc fatigue, that's just a plot point that's taking a while to pay off.


** [[spoiler: Kevin and The Smiling God]] haven't done anything evil for three seasons. We've been through three [[BigBad Big Bads]] while they've remained background noise.
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** [[spoiler: Kevin and The Smiling God]] haven't done anything evil for three seasons. We've been through three [[BigBad|s]] while they've remained background noise.

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** [[spoiler: Kevin and The Smiling God]] haven't done anything evil for three seasons. We've been through three [[BigBad|s]] [[BigBad Big Bads]] while they've remained background noise.
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** [[spoiler: Kevin and The Smiling God]] haven't done anything evil for three seasons. We've been through three [[BigBad|s]] while they've remained background noise.
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** Invoked to a degree. Jackie has been a teenager for a long time. Time is weird in Night Vale. No one said her slang needed to be accurate so much as it provokes the idea of teenage slang. [[FridgeBrillance This is notably averted with Josh, who has been a teenager for a normal timespan, and speaks more realistically]].

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** Invoked to a degree. Jackie has been a teenager for a long time. Time is weird in Night Vale. No one said her slang needed to be accurate so much as it provokes the idea of teenage slang. [[FridgeBrillance [[FridgeBrilliance This is notably averted with Josh, who has been a teenager for a normal timespan, and speaks more realistically]].
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** Is the Man in the Tan Jacket [[spoiler: a {{Jerkass}} villain who callously upended three lives in a bid to force them to clean up someone else's mess, or is he a DesignatedVillain driven to extreme methods by the fact that no one could remember his desperate pleas for help?]]
** Is Diane [[spoiler: justified for chewing out the Man in the Tan Jacket, or is she an unbearably selfish DesignatedHero who doesn't hesitate to engage in some uncalled-for victim blaming when she's inconvenienced? Are her insults the product of fear and righteous anger, or was the line "Maybe if you had been a better mayor, none of this would have happened" a borderline MoralEventHorizon?]]

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** Is the Man in the Tan Jacket [[spoiler: a {{Jerkass}} villain who callously upended three lives in a bid to force them to clean up someone else's mess, or is he a DesignatedVillain driven to extreme methods by the fact that no one could remember his desperate pleas for help?]]
help? Or alternatively, after his SurprisinglyHappyEnding: is he a very understandable, but still out-of-line JerkassWoobie who needed a little push to take responsibility and fix his own problems ?]]
** Is Diane [[spoiler: justified for chewing out the Man in the Tan Jacket, or is she an unbearably selfish DesignatedHero who doesn't hesitate to engage in some uncalled-for victim blaming when she's inconvenienced? on someone who conviced her already unhappy teenage son to willingly run away from home? Are her insults the product of fear and righteous anger, anger (as Josh is a teenager being endangered by an adult who should know better), or was the line "Maybe if you had been a better mayor, none of this would have happened" a borderline MoralEventHorizon?]]MoralEventHorizon (since the Man in the Tan Jacket is in basically the same situation as her with his family)?]]



* DesignatedHero: [[spoiler: Jackie and especially Diane come across this way in the climax, where instead of listening to the Man in the Tan Jacket's {{Woobie}}-worthy backstory with sympathy, they instead call him an asshole for luring them to King City against their will. Granted, they had to go through a ''lot'' of difficulty to get there, but still. His town is falling apart at the seams and no one remembers he exists, leaving him with no other options. That should engender at least a ''little'' sympathy, not insults and blatant victim blaming.]]
* DesignatedVillain: [[spoiler: The Man in the Tan Jacket comes across as this. He's portrayed and treated as a selfish {{Jerkass}} with no qualms against upending lives in a quest to put his own back together, but he only seems to do this because he's out of options. His attempts to explain who he is and what he's doing in Night Vale are always forgotten, his attempts to get Troy to leave were futile, and not even his own town remembers he exists. Compounding the problem is the fact that some listeners and readers believed the podcast portrayed him in a more heroic light, so when he's revealed as a villain, they didn't quite believe it.]]

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* DesignatedHero: [[spoiler: Jackie and especially Diane might come across this way in the climax, where instead of listening to the Man in the Tan Jacket's {{Woobie}}-worthy backstory with sympathy, they instead call him an asshole for luring them to King City against their will. will and taking their teenage son and half-brother with him. Granted, they had to go through a ''lot'' of difficulty to get there, their lives were almost destroyed to motivate them into going, and on top of it they were scared about Josh, but still. His town is and family are falling apart at the seams and no one remembers he exists, leaving him with no other options. That should engender at least a ''little'' sympathy, not insults and blatant victim blaming.]]
* DesignatedVillain: [[spoiler: The Man in the Tan Jacket comes might come across as this. He's portrayed and treated as a selfish {{Jerkass}} with no qualms against upending lives in a quest to put his own back together, but he only seems to do this because he's out of options. His attempts to explain who he is and what he's doing in Night Vale are always forgotten, his attempts to get Troy to leave were futile, and not even his own town remembers he exists. Compounding the problem is the fact that some listeners and readers believed the podcast portrayed him in a more heroic light, so when he's revealed as a villain, they didn't quite believe it.]]



** Invoked to a degree. Jackie has been a teenager for a long time. Time is weird in Night Vale. No one said her slang needed to be accurate so much as it provokes the idea of teenage slang.

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** Invoked to a degree. Jackie has been a teenager for a long time. Time is weird in Night Vale. No one said her slang needed to be accurate so much as it provokes the idea of teenage slang. [[FridgeBrillance This is notably averted with Josh, who has been a teenager for a normal timespan, and speaks more realistically]].
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* SeasonalRot: Fans are starting to complain about the current (fourth) season (examples [[http://theoriesofnightvale.tumblr.com/post/132737778578/why-night-vale-is-not-as-appealing-as-it-used-to here]], [[http://videntefernandez.tumblr.com/image/131260731363 here]], and [[http://meveret.tumblr.com/post/128541059443/it-does-feel-like-the-wtnv-fandom-is-slipping here]]), due to lack of a coherent plot so far and Episode 76, which was seen as a blatant ad for the book.

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* SeasonalRot: Fans are starting to complain about the current (fourth) season (examples [[http://theoriesofnightvale.tumblr.com/post/132737778578/why-night-vale-is-not-as-appealing-as-it-used-to here]], [[http://videntefernandez.tumblr.com/image/131260731363 here]], and [[http://meveret.[[https://octoberspirit.tumblr.com/post/128541059443/it-does-feel-like-the-wtnv-fandom-is-slipping com/post/128543378096/meveret-it-does-feel-like-the-wtnv-fandom-is here]]), due to lack of a coherent plot so far and Episode 76, which was seen as a blatant ad for the book.
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* SeasonalRot: Fans are starting to complain about the current (fourth) season (examples [[http://theoriesofnightvale.tumblr.com/post/132737778578/why-night-vale-is-not-as-appealing-as-it-used-to here]],[[http://videntefernandez.tumblr.com/image/131260731363 here]], and [[http://meveret.tumblr.com/post/128541059443/it-does-feel-like-the-wtnv-fandom-is-slipping here]]), due to lack of a coherent plot so far and Episode 76, which was seen as a blatant ad for the book.

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* SeasonalRot: Fans are starting to complain about the current (fourth) season (examples [[http://theoriesofnightvale.tumblr.com/post/132737778578/why-night-vale-is-not-as-appealing-as-it-used-to here]],[[http://videntefernandez.here]], [[http://videntefernandez.tumblr.com/image/131260731363 here]], and [[http://meveret.tumblr.com/post/128541059443/it-does-feel-like-the-wtnv-fandom-is-slipping here]]), due to lack of a coherent plot so far and Episode 76, which was seen as a blatant ad for the book.
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*** [[spoiler: Old Oak Doors Part B implies that he used to try and resist the smiling god's light when [=StrexCorp=] took over Desert Bluffs and that part of him still screams from the inside, desperately wanting to resist.]]

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*** [[spoiler: Old Oak Doors Part B implies that he used to try and resist the smiling god's Smiling God's light when [=StrexCorp=] took over Desert Bluffs and that part of him still screams from the inside, desperately wanting to resist.]]



*** Also about Kevin, in Episode 70A - does he think of Carlos as a [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friend]], is he [[ManipulativeBastard knownigly just using him]], or is he interested in... [[VillainousCrush something more]]?

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*** Also about Kevin, in Episode 70A - does he think of Carlos as a [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friend]], is he [[ManipulativeBastard knownigly knowningly just using him]], or is he interested in... [[VillainousCrush something more]]?
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* JerkassWoobie: The Man in the Tan Jacket. [[spoiler: Had a normal life, a family, and a city he loved, before Troy arrived and brought Nightvale's weirdness with him. He watches as multiple Troys swarm the city, has existence is forgotten by his family and citizens, and when he goes to Nightvale to find help he's either unhelped or forgotten. However, Jackie and Diane don't hesitate to chew him out for disrupting lives and for using a BatmanGambit to lure Josh away to King City for his own purposes.]]

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* JerkassWoobie: The Man in the Tan Jacket. [[spoiler: Had a normal life, a family, and a city he loved, before Troy arrived and brought Nightvale's Night Vale's weirdness with him. He watches as multiple Troys swarm the city, has his existence is forgotten by his family and citizens, and when he goes to Nightvale Night Vale to find help he's either unhelped or forgotten. However, Jackie and Diane don't hesitate to chew him out for disrupting lives and for using a BatmanGambit to lure Josh away to King City for his own purposes.]]
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There's now a second one ... a horrible, horrible second one ... the City Council and Station Management.


* LGBTFanbase: Is getting quite popular with this group, and justifiably so, as the ''only'' OfficialCouple in the series is gay.

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* LGBTFanbase: Is getting quite popular with this group, and justifiably so, as the ''only'' primary OfficialCouple in the series is gay.

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*** Also about Kevin, in Episode 70A - does he think of Carlos as a [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friend]], is he [[ManipulativeBastard knownigly just using him]], or is he interested in... [[VillainousCrush something more]]

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*** Also about Kevin, in Episode 70A - does he think of Carlos as a [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friend]], is he [[ManipulativeBastard knownigly just using him]], or is he interested in... [[VillainousCrush something more]]more]]?
*** We find out for sure in "Triptych" that whatever Kevin is now, he [[BrainwashedAndCrazy wasn't always that way]].
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While most interpretations assume that Cecil is sincere about pretty much everything he says on the radio, some go darker and assume that he's aware on at least some level that things aren't right and the lines he's being fed by Night Vale's overlords are false, but in order to stay alive he can't be seen to openly question them too often. Supporters of this interpretation note that Cecil will continue to talk about recently banned topics like the Dog Park right up until the Police, the Council, or Station Management start breathing down his neck. [[spoiler:He's certainly aware enough not to trust [=StrexCorp=] after they buy out the radio station in "Yellow Helicopters". This is confirmed in episode 36, "Missing": when [=StrexCorp=] shuts down the station, Cecil finishes his broadcast via a pirated signal and states outright that he's normally talking around a lot of censorship.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: While most interpretations assume that Cecil is sincere about pretty much everything he says on the radio, some go darker and assume that he's aware on at least some level that things aren't right and the lines he's being fed by Night Vale's overlords are false, but in order to stay alive he can't be seen to openly question them too often. Supporters of this interpretation note that Cecil will continue to talk about recently banned topics like the Dog Park right up until the Police, the Council, or Station Management start breathing down his neck. [[spoiler:He's certainly aware enough not to trust [=StrexCorp=] after they buy out the radio station in "Yellow Helicopters". This is confirmed in episode 36, "Missing": when [=StrexCorp=] shuts down the station, Cecil finishes his broadcast via a pirated signal and states outright that he's normally talking around a lot of censorship.]]
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* DesignatedHero: [[spoiler: Jackie and especially Diane come across this way in the climax, where instead of listening to the Man in the Tan Jacket's {{Woobie}}-worthy backstory with sympathy, they instead call him an asshole for luring them to King City against their will. Granted, they had to go through a ''lot'' of difficulty to get there, but still. His town is falling apart at the seams and no one remembers he exists, leaving him with no other options. That should engender at least a ''little'' sympathy, not insults and blatant victim blaming.]]
* DesignatedVillain: [[spoiler: The Man in the Tan Jacket comes across as this. He's portrayed and treated as a selfish {{Jerkass}} with no qualms against upending lives in a quest to put his own back together, but he only seems to do this because he's out of options. His attempts to explain who he is and what he's doing in Night Vale are always forgotten, his attempts to get Troy to leave were futile, and not even his own town remembers he exists. Compounding the problem is the fact that some listeners and readers believed the podcast portrayed him in a more heroic light, so when he's revealed as a villain, they didn't quite believe it.]]
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** Is Diane [[spoiler: justified for chewing out the Man in the Tan Jacket, or is she an unbearably selfish DesignatedHero who doesn't hesitate to engage in some uncalled-for victim blaming? Are her insults the product of fear and righteous anger, or was the line "Maybe if you had been a better mayor, none of this would have happened" a borderline MoralEventHorizon?]]

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** Is Diane [[spoiler: justified for chewing out the Man in the Tan Jacket, or is she an unbearably selfish DesignatedHero who doesn't hesitate to engage in some uncalled-for victim blaming? blaming when she's inconvenienced? Are her insults the product of fear and righteous anger, or was the line "Maybe if you had been a better mayor, none of this would have happened" a borderline MoralEventHorizon?]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Is the Man in the Tan Jacket [[spoiler: a {{Jerkass}} villain who callously upended three lives in a bid to force them to clean up someone else's mess, or is he a DesignatedVillain driven to extreme methods by the fact that no one could remember his desperate pleas for help?]]
** Is Diane [[spoiler: justified for chewing out the Man in the Tan Jacket, or is she an unbearably selfish DesignatedHero who doesn't hesitate to engage in some uncalled-for victim blaming? Are her insults the product of fear and righteous anger, or was the line "Maybe if you had been a better mayor, none of this would have happened" a borderline MoralEventHorizon?]]


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* JerkassDissonance: [[spoiler: The Man in the Tan Jacket struck some readers as a DesignatedVillain who resorted to extreme methods after his desperate pleas for help went unheard and unremembered.]]
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** Steve Carlsburg becomes this in "The September Monologues" where we find out [[spoiler: he and Cecil got along quite well when they first met at Steve and Cecil's sister's wedding. (Cecil even complimenting Steve's scones that he now publicly hates). That is, until Steve reveals to Cecil he knows all about the Vague-But-Menacing-Government-Agency, and other forbidden Night Vale knowledge, at which point Cecil snapped and almost had the wedding called off.]]

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** Steve Carlsburg Carlsberg becomes this in "The September Monologues" where we find out [[spoiler: he and Cecil got along quite well when they first met at Steve and Cecil's sister's wedding. (Cecil even complimenting Steve's scones that he now publicly hates). That is, until Steve reveals to Cecil he knows all about the Vague-But-Menacing-Government-Agency, and other forbidden Night Vale knowledge, at which point Cecil snapped and almost had the wedding called off.]]
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** Not before [[spoiler: Jackie is bitten and nearly choked to death]].
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** Special mention should go to episode 48's "High Tide Rising". While an excellent piece on its own, its context within the story, [[spoiler: where it herald's Cecil's return and the true chance to fight back against [=StrexCorp=]]], turns it into a fist-pumping forecast of ''awesome'', with an awesomely crunchy Music/NeilYoung [[SincerestFormOfFlattery center]].

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** Special mention should go to episode 48's "High Tide Rising". While an excellent piece on its own, its context within the story, [[spoiler: where it herald's Cecil's return and the true chance to fight back against [=StrexCorp=]]], turns it into a fist-pumping forecast of ''awesome'', with an awesomely amazing crunchy Music/NeilYoung [[SincerestFormOfFlattery center]].
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** Special mention should go to episode 48's "High Tide Rising". While an excellent piece on its own, its context within the story, [[spoiler: where it herald's Cecil's return and the true chance to fight back against [=StrexCorp=]]], turns it into a fist-pumping forecast of ''awesome''.

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** Special mention should go to episode 48's "High Tide Rising". While an excellent piece on its own, its context within the story, [[spoiler: where it herald's Cecil's return and the true chance to fight back against [=StrexCorp=]]], turns it into a fist-pumping forecast of ''awesome''.''awesome'', with an awesomely crunchy Music/NeilYoung [[SincerestFormOfFlattery center]].
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** Not before [[spoiler: Jackie is bitten and nearly choked to death]].
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** Episode 70A pretty much runs on FoeYay between [[spoiler: Carlos and Kevin of all people.]] Complete with slashy quotes ("He's a beautiful man who does beautiful things..."), at least one character's [[WordOfGay canon sexuality]], and [[spoiler: Kevin's]]... [[TheModestOrgasm interesting noises]] during a phone call.
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* HoYay:
** Disturbingly, a good amount between [[spoiler: Carlos and Kevin]] in 70A. Could also double as FoeYay.

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* AbsenteeActor: In Episode 47 and most of 19B, [[spoiler:Cecil is not only absent, but [[UnPerson never even mentioned]].]] Justified in both cases, as 19B was ADayInTheLimelight for Desert Bluffs, with him and [[EvilCounterpart Kevin]] briefly switching places late into both versions of 19, while in 47 [[spoiler: [[HostileShowTakeover Kevin is hosting for Night Vale.]]]]
** Cecil is also silent throughout episode 65 after we hear him on the answering machine at the beginning, the rest of the episode dedicated to people leaving him messages.
** Episode 70A is narrated completely by Kevin and Carlos, with only brief mentions of Cecil.
** Cecil is also absent from episode 67.



** Less bizarre now that it has a sequel, "The April Monolouges," which ties into the current storyline.

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** Less bizarre now that it has a sequel, "The April Monolouges," Monologues," which ties into the current storyline.
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** There's also considerable overlap with the ''Podcast/TheBlackTapes'' fandom, due to both being podcasts about the supernatural over the radio. The fact that the creators are fans of each other's podcasts helps.
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* GatewaySeries: As one of the few podcasts to gain a devoted cult following, many ardent listeners have branched out to other podcasts to detail how the rest of the medium presents itself.
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** Hiram [=McDaniels=] at the end of episode 88. His reaction to [[spoilers: the guilty verdict of his trial and subsequent death sentence, described in excrutiating detail by the judge]] makes you want to hug the five-headed dragon.

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** Hiram [=McDaniels=] at the end of episode 88. His reaction to [[spoilers: [[spoiler: the guilty verdict of his trial and subsequent death sentence, described in excrutiating detail by the judge]] makes you want to hug the five-headed dragon.
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** Hiram McDaniels at the end of episode 88. His reaction to [[spoilers: the guilty verdict of his trial and subsequent death sentence, described in excrutiating detail by the judge]] makes you want to hug the five-headed dragon.

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** Hiram McDaniels [=McDaniels=] at the end of episode 88. His reaction to [[spoilers: the guilty verdict of his trial and subsequent death sentence, described in excrutiating detail by the judge]] makes you want to hug the five-headed dragon.
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** Hiram McDaniels at the end of episode 88. His reaction to [[spoilers: the guilty verdict of his trial and subsequent death sentence, described in excrutiating detail by the judge]] makes you want to hug the five-headed dragon.

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