History YMMV / WarriorsOrochi

** Not adding the ''Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce 2'' characters (other than Cai Wenji, who debuted in that game) like Shi Huangdi, Xiang Yu, Xi Wangmu and Ji Man/King Mu is a missed opportunity because they are the historical figures from the Zhou and Qin dynasties, considering that there were three Heian historical figures (Kiyomori, Yoshitsune and Benkei) in ''Warriors Orochi''. Likewise, for the ''Godseeker'' characters, Lei Bin and Lixia, because the latter has magic powers that suit her as a Mystic character. It also would bring a lot of interesting dynamics among the DW and SW characters.

** Not adding the ''Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce 2'' characters is a missed opportunity because they are the historical figures from the Zhou and Qin dynasties, considering that there were two Heian historical figures in ''Warriors Orochi''. Likewise, for the ''Godseeker'' characters, Lei Bin and Lixia, because the latter has magic powers that suit her as a Mystic character. It also would bring a lot of interesting dynamics among the DW and SW characters.

* WhatAnIdiot: ''Ultimate'''s storyline has several, but Yinglong really takes the cake. [[spoiler: Tamono tells him that his emperor is using the Divine Mirror to enslave demons, a lie that should only have fooled a five-year-old at best, and he buys it. Then after a feeble effort to investigate, he immediately jumps to conclusions and tries to destroy the mirror, falling right into Tamono's trap and dooms himself forever, and would have doomed the Mystic Realm too if not for Fu Xi and co. travelling back in time to stop him]].

** Cao Pi and Ares are paired together a lot on Pixiv, because of the FoeYay and that they have a special dialogue to each other which is usually about their daddy issues. Ironically, Cao Pi is mostly portrayed in fanarts as [[{{Ukefication}} the bottom of the pairing]] in contrast to several of his slash pairings where he's the top.

** Cao Pi and Ares are paired together a lot on Pixiv, because of the FoeYay and that they have a special dialogue to each other which is usually about their daddy issues. Ironically, Cao Pi is mostly portrayed in fanarts as [[{{Wimpification}} the bottom of the pairing]] in contrast to several of his slash pairings where he's the top.

** The fact that generic Greek and Norse officers are named after famous heroes and minor gods such as Kratos and Forseti can either make any fan of mythology cringe or laugh on its ridiculousness. ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWar Especially Kratos]]''[[labelnote:*]]The ''God of War'' protagonist has become more known than the actual minor God named Kratos in the Greek myth, so people would've thought of the GOW character more than the deity when someone said 'Kratos' in context of Greek mythology.[[/labelnote]]
** When Bao Sanniang explains to the coalition that Zhao Yun and the younger Shu officers are forced to serve the Olympians because [[IHaveYourWife Athena held Liu Shan as a hostage]], Liu Bei is shocked on this revelation. This is the first time outside in-game quotes where Liu Bei shows ''[[PapaWolf actual]]'' [[PapaWolf concern to his son]]. After Liu Shan is rescued which causes Zhao Yun and the Shu officers to defect from the Olympians at the end of chapter 3, Liu Bei welcomes back Zhao Yun and his swore brothers' sons (Guan Suo and Xing and Zhang Bao) to the coalition. ''[[{{Jerkass}} But he never says anything to his own son or asks if he's okay after being imprisoned in Odani Castle for a long time]]''. It's as if Liu Bei regressed back to being an uncaring father again.

* PlayTheGameSkipTheStory: In the fourth game, players enjoy the gameplay and the gimmicks but they find the main storyline to be very linear and less engaging, particularly with the last chapters due to Zeus' flimsy excuse of rebuilding the world [[spoiler:despite that it's for good intention]] and Odin's generic motive of wanting total annihilation. Likewise, many characters, such as those who played big roles in the previous games, are pushed aside near the closing chapters which is the reason several players prefer the side missions where these characters have their moments to shine.

** An automatic game over occurs if the character being played as dies. What's grating about this is that the other two should be still available.

** In ''4'', the presence of clones in the battlefield breaks the immersion when you're playing most especially when you thought the character that you have selected to play is important in the mission because they're the ones leading this mission except you ran into their clone in the battlefield instead of their generic replacements. So imagine you're playing as Lu Xun because you're doing his mission except that there's his clone running around instead of his generic son. Of course, there's the recommended characters guide which would prevent you from encountering that but most players choose to ignore it and rather play their favorite characters instead. It gets worse that regardless which character you played, there's no special conversation initiated whenever you encountered other characters in the battlefield as if the player characters are merely spectators. It's only in some side missions where the player characters get to talk for a bit.

* CompleteMonster: [[AdaptationalVillainy Odin]], from the fourth game, is a ruthless god who is terrified of dying ever since he survived [[{{Gotterdammerung}} Ragnarok]]. Lured into Zeus's new world with an attempt to dominate it, Odin starts a war and tricks Ares into murdering his own father Zeus, slowly gaining more power with the intention of using the world tree Yggdrasil. Odin's intention is to [[MultiversalConqueror conquer everything in the realms]] by [[OmnicidalManiac exterminating all life]] to leave himself the one being left, gleefully trying to destroy the heroes and their armies so he can reign supreme as the [[ItsAllAboutMe one master of all existence]].

* ToughActToFollow: Odin in the fourth game. While he's established as a huge threat to the heroes and has one of the most awesome movesets which also makes him the most overpowered character in the entire game, his characterization and portrayal is very flat. While his endgame [[spoiler:which is to destroy life because he wants to eliminate anything that threatens his life after surviving Ragnarok]] may justify his villainy, it comes off as very generic as he keeps acting how evil he is despite that most of his actions are done [[OffstageVillainy offscreen]] and had his agent, [[spoiler:Loki]], [[TheHeavy do his bidding]]. It doesn't help that you encounter and defeat him two times in the last chapter which makes [[VillainDecay all the grandeur of being a threat look like a big joke]]. In the final mission, [[AntiClimaxBoss you can easily defeat him in a few minutes]] once you have level up your team well and use the right weapon attributes and Sacred Treasures. In contrast to Orochi who established himself as a threat at the beginning and Tamamo [[spoiler:who is responsible for kickstarting Yinglong's downfall to Orochi]], Odin is not very compelling as a dangerous villain. A lot of players even consider Hundun, who is just a BonusBoss, and Zeus, who is actually one of the good guys, as a difficult opponent to beat with than Odin. At the very least, Koei has acknowledged this and announced that ''4: Ultimate'' will give more details on Odin's characterization.

** A lot of players are dissatisfied with the ending of ''4'' due to being singular and very similar to True Ending from ''3''[[note]]The humans went back to their time periods with their memories of the Orochi world erased ''again''.[[/note]]. Just like the third game, the expansion will receive a new ending.

* ContestedSequel: ''Warriors Orochi 4'' is this to some, unfortunately. While gameplay and graphics wise it does have a step up from its predecessors, the biggest reasons it is considered arguably a step down is the cutting of features and modes that even were in vanilla 3, the complete absence of alternate colors and outfits which are listed as DLC, and the complete lack of crossover characters, which is one of the big reasons that 3 was so well received.

** Though minor, one of the [[Main/GiantMook Gyuki Clones]] is named [[Characters/JumpForce Galeena]]

* HilariousInHindsight: You'll grin quite a bit more here on realizing that after duking it out here, Guan Yu, Sun Wukong, Nuwa, Nezha, Susano'o and Daji can form a team to compete in ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}''. By ''Warriors Orochi 4'', you can also add up Zeus, Athena, Ares and Odin there. [[spoiler:So is Loki!]]. And by ''4 Ultimate'', you can also add up Terra (under her Greek name Gaia) and Erlang Shen (under his other alias Yang Jian) on the list.

** Perseus [[spoiler:is actually Loki in disguise]]. This is very well-known because the marketing for the 2019 Musou Festival, where Perseus's [[Creator/HiroShimono voice actor]] is one of the hosts, spoils it.

** Some fans are not pleased with the eight characters chosen to have Deification forms for ''[=WO4=]'' as it tends to rely on PopularityPower. The most aggravating example would be Guan Yinping and Ii Naotora who are chosen because [[PanderingToTheBase they're popular]] and [[WolverinePublicity had been used in so many promotional materials]]. And despite that these eight characters represent their faction,[[note]]Zhao Yun and Guan Yinping (Shu), Cao Pi (Wei), Lu Bu (Others), Naotora (Tokugawa), Nobunaga (Oda), Mitsunari (Toyotomi), Yukimura (Sanada)[[/note]] Shu has ''two'' characters who have Deification forms which infuriated many Wu and Jin fans, particularly with the former who felt that their favorite faction is being sidelined ''again'' by Koei, as well as those who felt other specific characters would've had a better chance [[note]]e.g. Guan Yu being actually worshiped as a god in real life, Sun Wukong achieving Buddhahood at the end of ''Journey to the West'', etc[[/note]]. It gets worse that WordOfGod mentioned that Lu Xun was supposed to have a Deification form but didn't made it in the final cut because he's a strategist not FrontlineGeneral. However, many Wu fans find that excuse hypocritical because Mitsunari, who is also a strategist, gets a Deification form and the opening cutscene of the game shows the bracelet landing near Lu Xun's location.

** In ''3: Ultimate'', the [[spoiler:Kyubi-no-Kitsune]] (see DisappointingLastLevel).

* HilariousInHindsight: You'll grin quite a bit more here on realizing that after duking it out here, Guan Yu, Sun Wukong, Nuwa, Nezha, Susano'o and Daji can form a team to compete in ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}''. By ''Warriors Orochi 4'', you can also add up Zeus, Athena, Ares and Odin there. [[spoiler:So is Loki!]]. And by ''4 Ultimate'', you can also add up Terra (under her Greek name Gaia) on the list.

*** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of ''Warriors Orochi'' as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). ''4: Ultimate'' fixes this where Joan and Achilles are two of the three returning guest characters, but the idea of the whole ''Bladestorm'' and ''Troy'' joining the crossover are still not being considered.
*** Averted with the announcement of ''Warriors Orochi 4 Ultimate'' has both Achilles and Joan of Arc returning.

** [[spoiler:With the reveal of Loki as one of the main antagonists of the fourth game, his backstory and characterization could have gone better. Except the Ragnarok storyline is shoehorned in the last chapter which is explained by Abe Seimei. It would be interesting how Ragnarok went and how it affected Loki after being depowered by Odin. While it did explain Loki's motives of wanting revenge, it was never explained properly particularly with Odin killing his friends. Though he did mention that Freya, Tyr and possibly Thor are his comrades, his story of revenge would make more sense if they introduced his family members from Norse mythology such as his wife Sigyn who is said to be very loyal to him, his son Jormungandr who faces Thor during Ragnarok and his grandsons Hati and Skoll who are the major players of Ragnarok]].
** Adding the ''Dynasty Warriors: Strikeforce 2'' characters would be very interesting as they are the historical figures from the Zhou and Qin dynasties, considering that there were two Heian historical figures in ''Warriors Orochi''. Likewise for the ''Godseeker'' characters because one of them has magic powers which suits her as a Mystic character. It also would bring a lot of interesting dynamics among the DW and SW characters.

** Removing Guest characters in ''Warriors Orochi 4''. Some are okay because it will let KOEI focus on the ''Dynasty'' and ''Samurai Warrior'' characters and the mystics while the guest characters fit into ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars''. Some are aghast that they removed what made [=WO3=] great, and removing characters have always been a reviled action which caused [=DW6=] to be looked down upon and since ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' was considered by many as not-so-stellar, they fear that they won't see the guest characters anymore.

** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of ''Warriors Orochi'' as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). ''4: Ultimate'' fixes this where Joan and Achilles are two of the three returning guest characters, but the idea of the whole ''Bladestorm'' and ''Troy'' joining the crossover are still not being considered.

* DracoInLeatherPants: A lot of fans on Twitter love Odin because of his attractiveness and edgy persona. There are even those fans who sympathize his cause because he just wants to live.

** Some fans are not pleased with the eight characters chosen to have Deification forms for ''[=WO4=]'' as it tends to rely on PopularityPower. The most aggravating example would be Guan Yinping and Ii Naotora who are chosen because they're popular and [[WolverinePublicity had been used in so many promotional materials]]. And despite that these eight characters represent their faction,[[note]]Zhao Yun and Guan Yinping (Shu), Cao Pi (Wei), Lu Bu (Others), Naotora (Tokugawa), Nobunaga (Oda), Mitsunari (Toyotomi), Yukimura (Sanada)[[/note]] Shu has ''two'' characters who have Deification forms which infuriated many Wu and Jin fans, particularly with the former who felt that their favorite faction is being sidelined ''again'' by Koei, as well as those who felt other specific characters would've had a better chance [[note]]e.g. Guan Yu being actually worshiped as a god in real life, Sun Wukong achieving Buddhahood at the end of ''Journey to the West'', etc[[/note]]. It gets worse that WordOfGod mentioned that Lu Xun was supposed to have a Deification form but didn't made it in the final cut because he's a strategist not FrontlineGeneral. However, many Wu fans find that excuse hypocritical because Mitsunari, who is also a strategist, gets a Deification form and the opening cutscene of the game shows the bracelet landing near Lu Xun's location.

** The showdown between Orochi X and the original Orochi was hyped in the trailer for ''4'' but in the game itself, it met a lot of disappointment as it didn't add much to the story. Likewise, his return wasn't fully explained in the story aside from a blink-if-you-see cutscene [[spoiler:when Odin turns Shuten Doji into Orochi X and another lights flies out which is hinted to be the original Orochi]]. Many players find this missed opportunity when it's revealed that the original Orochi [[spoiler:still has Yinglong's presence in him and you can only recruit him via camp upgrade which gives a possiblity to bring Yinglong back and killing him is already pointless since Da Ji and Kiyomori would still resurrect the poor guy ''again'']].

** Another issue in ''4'' happens to be each character only having a total of 2 different characters they bond with with only 2 camp conversations each one. While some unique conversations not done in other installments have been done (e.g. Guan Suo and [[spoiler:Kyubi]] of all things), it seemed to be another way for Koei to cut corners in accordance to the increased roster.

* ToughActToFollow: Odin in the fourth game. While he's established as a huge threat to the heroes and has one of the most awesome movesets which also makes him the most overpowered character in the entire game, his characterization and portrayal is very flat. While his endgame [[spoiler:which is to destroy life because he wants to eliminate anything that threatens his life after surviving Ragnarok]] may justify his villainy, it comes off as very generic as he keeps acting how evil he is despite that most of his actions are done [[OffstageVillainy offscreen]] and had his agent, [[spoiler:Loki]], [[TheHeavy do his bidding]]. It doesn't help that you encounter and defeat him two times in the last chapter which makes [[VillainDecay all the grandeur of being a threat look like a big joke]]. In the final mission, [[AntiClimaxBoss you can easily defeat him in a few minutes]] once you have level up your team well and use the right weapon attributes and Sacred Treasures. In contrast to Orochi who established himself as a threat at the beginning and Tamamo [[spoiler:who is responsible for kickstarting Yinglong's downfall to Orochi]], Odin is not very compelling as a dangerous villain. A lot of players even consider Hundun, who is just a BonusBoss, and Zeus, who is actually one of the good guys, as a difficult opponent to beat with than Odin.

** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of ''Warriors Orochi'' as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). ''4: Ultimate'' fixes this where Joan and Achilles are two of the three returning guest characters.

** Many fans were dismayed about the guest characters being cut out from the fourth game. The expansion seems to bring back three of them starting with Joan of Arc.
** A lot of players are dissatisfied with the ending of ''4'' due to being singular and very similar to True Ending from ''3''[[note]]The humans went back to their time periods with their memories of the Orochi world erased ''again''.[[/note]]. Just like the third game, the expansion will receive a new ending.

** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of ''Warriors Orochi'' as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). ''4: Ultimate'' fixes this where Joan is one of the three returning guest characters.

** We never go to see the rest of the Olympians and the Norse gods, not even a cameo or flashback. Thor? Tyr? Heimdall? Frigga? Freya? Baldur? Hel? Died before or during Ragnarok. Poseidon? Hades? Apollo? Hercules? Hera? Hermes? [[spoiler:The ''real'' Perseus?]] No debut for you. Outside of her hair being mentioned as the second ingredient used to create the Deification bangles, Medusa never showed up either.

** The fact that generic Greek and Norse officers are named after famous heroes and minor gods such as Kratos and Forseti can either make any fan of mythology cringe or laugh on its ridiculousness. ''[[VideoGame/GodOfWarSeries Especially Kratos]]''[[labelnote:*]]The ''God of War'' protagonist has become more known than the actual minor God named Kratos in the Greek myth, so people would've thought of the GOW character more than the deity when someone said 'Kratos' in context of Greek mythology.[[/labelnote]]

** Many fans were dismayed about the guest characters being cut out from the fourth game. The expansion seems to bring back some of them starting with Joan of Arc.

* ContestedSequel: ''Warriors Orochi 4'' is this to some unfortunately. While gameplay and graphics wise it does have a step up from its predecessors, the biggest reasons it is considered arguably a step down is the cutting of features and modes that even were in vanilla 3, the complete absence of alternate colors and outfits which are listed as DLC, and the complete lack of crossover characters, which is one of the big reasons that 3 was so well received.

** Similarly with Achilles, the exclusion of Joan of Arc. While she has no dealings with Zeus, both ''VideoGame/BladeStormTheHundredYearsWar'' and ''VideoGame/WarriorsLegendsOfTroy'' are based on history as opposed to other fictional collaborations so they could fit in perfectly within the context of ''Warriors Orochi'' as the gateway for French, England, Greek and Troy groups (this can include other characters like Edward the Black Prince, La Hire, Gilles de Rais, Ajax, Hector, Penthesilea). Yet, Koei decided to just focus on the Eastern parts first, lumping the two games with the other fictional collaboration.
** Two ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors 9'' characters, Zhou Cang and Xin Xianying, have gotten their [=DW9=] moveset converted into a [=DW8=] moveset format (via ''VideoGame/WarriorsAllStars'' and ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Unleashed'') and with ''[=DW8=] Empires'', there will be some weapons from ''8'' in general that will end up unused. Yet Koei sticked with their principles to not include anyone from [=DW9=] at all. Likewise, ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors Spirit of Sanada'' used the same moveset as [=SW4=], but none of the characters from that game got involved. This is justified because ''[=WO4=]'' had been in development since 2016 which explains why the [=DW9=] and ''Spirit of Sanada'' characters are not going to be in the game ''yet''. Then, it gets weirder that their generic NPC counterparts don't show up in the game itself.

** [[spoiler:With the reveal of Loki as one of the main antagonists of the fourth game, his backstory and characterization could have gone better. Except the Ragnarok storyline is shoehorned in the last chapter which is explained by Abe Seimei. It would be interesting how Ragnarok went and how it affected Loki after being depowered by Odin. While it did explained Loki's motives of wanting revenge, it was never explained properly particularly with Odin killing his friends. Though he did mentioned that Freya, Tyr and possibly Thor are his comrades, his story of revenge would make more sense if they introduced his family members from Norse mythology such as his wife Sigyn who is said to be very loyal to him, his son Jormungandr who faces Thor during Ragnarok and his grandsons Hati and Skoll who are the major players of Ragnarok]].

* HilariousInHindsight: You'll grin quite a bit more here on realizing that after duking it out here, Guan Yu, Sun Wukong, Nuwa, Nezha, Susano'o and Daji can form a team to compete in ''VideoGame/{{Smite}}''. By ''Warriors Orochi 4'', you can also add up Zeus, Athena, Ares and Odin there. [[spoiler:So is Loki!]]