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* EvilIsSexy: Katherine Wiese, Prince Panhard, Qadir, Samir, Sturbridge, and Hope.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade Coteries Of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade Coteries Of New York}}''.''VideoGame/VampireTheMasqueradeCoteriesOfNewYork''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dakota is a beautiful PerkyGoth MoralityPet for Julia. However, she makes a lot of jokes that show she's a believer in ConspiracyTheory that seems meant to be endearing. However, most of the theories she espouses are -- in the real world -- at their heart very racist and actively undermining both science and the rule of law. As such, many fans see Dakota less as a cool LoveInterest and more as a rich Trump supporter, and [[spoiler:Julia sacrificing her to rise in the Camarilla]] as less a MoralEventHorizon than offing an AssholeVictim.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dakota is a beautiful PerkyGoth MoralityPet for Julia. However, she makes a lot of jokes that show she's a believer in ConspiracyTheory ConspiracyTheorist that seems meant to be endearing. However, most of the theories she espouses are -- in the real world -- at their heart very racist and actively undermining both science and the rule of law. As such, many fans see Dakota less as a cool LoveInterest and more as a rich Trump supporter, and [[spoiler:Julia sacrificing her to rise in the Camarilla]] as less a MoralEventHorizon than offing an AssholeVictim.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Shadows of New York'' addressed several criticisms levelled at ''Coteries''. You are no longer limited by a poorly-defined feeding mechanic, leaving you with more freedom to use your Disciplines in dialogue trees. Julia, the protagonist, is also much more dynamic and interesting a player character than any of the three in ''Coteries'', who were so flimsily developed and interchangeable that some fans were left wondering why there was a choice to begin with. Story-wise, the tighter and more involved plot with two significantly different, but independently satisfying, trait-determined endings was praised as far superior to the original's entirely railroaded (and ''very'' divisive) climax. The way you spend your free time is also more generous; optional side stories you pick and choose between feel like actual side stories, not major arcs that end abruptly (some of which ''will'' missed out on entirely) due to a time limit on the main plot.
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*** In the "good" one, [[spoiler:Julia exposes the Camarilla and Anarch leaders as the scheming murderers that they are, but wins herself a sweet deal as Lasombra Primogen by pinning it all on a loose cannon the others are happy to get rid of anyway. Her sire, for one, is elated at her ruthlessness and cunning, believing herself vindicated in having chosen her. Julia loses Dakota for good, whose death is named as a requirement for her new position, and Clan Lasombra's curse is tightening its grip on her, but she's hardened her heart to such trifles and finally succeeded in putting herself on top, pleased with what she's achieved overall.]] This is, fittingly, a very ''Lasombra'' ending, but whether it's a "good" one...well.
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*** In the "good" one, [[spoiler:Julia exposes the Camarilla and Anarch leaders as the scheming murderers that they are, but wins herself a sweet deal as Lasombra Primogen by pinning it all on a loose cannon the others are happy to get rid of anyway. Her sire, for one, is elated at her ruthlessness and cunning, believing herself vindicated in having chosen her. Julia loses Dakota for good, whose death is named as a requirement for her new position, and Clan Lasombra's curse is tightening its grip on her, but she's hardened her heart to such trifles and finally succeeded in putting herself on top, pleased with what she's achieved overall.]] This is, fittingly, a very ''Lasombra'' ending, but whether it's a "good" one... well.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society.]] Yikes!
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society.]] Yikes!Although, see UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: [[spoiler:Tamika]] and [[spoiler:Torque]]'s relationship seemingly comes out of nowhere, especially since they don't once interact in ''Coteries''. It's easier to swallow since they're over by the time ''Shadows'' takes place (not to mention there's a certain justification thanks to the TimeSkip between games and the traumatic events they were both on the edges of during the first game), but thinking about what drew them together in the first place reveals a lack of plausible attraction or even a reason for them to meet in the first place, other than a need to have them as exes for plot reasons.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dakota is a beautiful PerkyGoth MoralityPet for Julia. However, she makes a lot of jokes that show she's a believer in ConspiracyTheory that seems meant to be endearing. However, most of the theories she espouses are at their heart very racist and actively undermining the rule of law as well as science. As such, many fans see her less as a cool LoveInterest and more as a rich Trump supporter.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dakota is a beautiful PerkyGoth MoralityPet for Julia. However, she makes a lot of jokes that show she's a believer in ConspiracyTheory that seems meant to be endearing. However, most of the theories she espouses are -- in the real world -- at their heart very racist and actively undermining both science and the rule of law as well as science. law. As such, many fans see her Dakota less as a cool LoveInterest and more as a rich Trump supporter.supporter, and [[spoiler:Julia sacrificing her to rise in the Camarilla]] as less a MoralEventHorizon than offing an AssholeVictim.
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Saying Dakota was planning to become a vampire is overstating it. She's obsessed with one, but there's no plan how she'd accomplish that. And considering that they get back together immediately in the "Bad End", it's more like a fight.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society.]] Yikes! Somewhat mitigated by the fact [[spoiler: Dakota and Julia have broken up by this point and was planning on becoming a vampire herself.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society.]] Yikes! Somewhat mitigated by the fact [[spoiler: Dakota and Julia have broken up by this point and was planning on becoming a vampire herself.]]Yikes!
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*** In the bad one, [[spoiler:she chooses not to blow the whistle on the conspiracy, allowing the Camarilla and their Anarch counterpart to spin their bullshit PR and pass off Callihan's murder as a suicide. To avoid the complications arising from her conflict with Kaiser, she is encouraged to abandon the city entirely and take up refuge in an Anarch Free State. She shares a telling and touching farewell with "Katherine", reconciles with Dakota, and departs the city for pastures unknown, putting the depraved kindred and bad experiences behind her. She ends the story in a far weaker position as a vampire, but a more healthy one as a human being.]]
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*** In the bad one, [[spoiler:she chooses not to blow the whistle on the conspiracy, allowing the Camarilla and their Anarch counterpart to spin their bullshit PR and pass off Callihan's murder as a suicide. To avoid the complications arising from her conflict with Kaiser, she is encouraged to abandon the city entirely and take up refuge in an Anarch Free State. She shares a telling and touching farewell with "Katherine", reconciles with Dakota, and departs the city for pastures unknown, putting the depraved kindred and bad experiences behind her. She ends the story in a far weaker position as a vampire, but a more healthy one as a human being. For bonus points, "Katherine" encouraged her to try helping out with building the Anarch Free State into [[{{Utopia}} New Carthage]], and it's left ambigious if she will give it a shot.]]
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* UnexpectedCharacter: The appearance of Katherine Weise, AKA Ecaterina the Wise, as a major character in ''Shadows of New York'' was quite unexpected. [[spoiler:There's more to this one than meets the eye, though.]]
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** In ''Shadows'', the "good" and "bad" endings are both quite open to this.
*** In the "good" one, [[spoiler:Julia exposes the Camarilla and Anarch leaders as the scheming murderers that they are, but wins herself a sweet deal as Lasombra Primogen by pinning it all on a loose cannon the others are happy to get rid of anyway. Her sire, for one, is elated at her ruthlessness and cunning, believing herself vindicated in having chosen her. Julia loses Dakota for good, whose death is named as a requirement for her new position, and Clan Lasombra's curse is tightening its grip on her, but she's hardened her heart to such trifles and finally succeeded in putting herself on top, pleased with what she's achieved overall.]] This is, fittingly, a very ''Lasombra'' ending, but whether it's a "good" one...well.
*** In the bad one, [[spoiler:she chooses not to blow the whistle on the conspiracy, allowing the Camarilla and their Anarch counterpart to spin their bullshit PR and pass off Callihan's murder as a suicide. To avoid the complications arising from her conflict with Kaiser, she is encouraged to abandon the city entirely and take up refuge in an Anarch Free State. She shares a telling and touching farewell with "Katherine", reconciles with Dakota, and departs the city for pastures unknown, putting the depraved kindred and bad experiences behind her. She ends the story in a far weaker position as a vampire, but a more healthy one as a human being.]]
* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Shadows of New York'' addressed several criticisms levelled at ''Coteries''. You are no longer limited by a poorly-defined feeding mechanic, leaving you with more freedom to use your Disciplines in dialogue trees. Julia, the protagonist, is also much more dynamic and interesting a player character than any of the three in ''Coteries'', who were so flimsily developed and interchangeable that some fans were left wondering why there was a choice to begin with. Story-wise, the tighter and more involved plot with two significantly different, but independently satisfying, trait-determined endings was praised as far superior to the original's entirely railroaded (and ''very'' divisive) climax. The way you spend your free time is also more generous; optional side stories you pick and choose between feel like actual side stories, not major arcs that end abruptly (some of which ''will'' missed out on entirely) due to a time limit on the main plot.
*** In the "good" one, [[spoiler:Julia exposes the Camarilla and Anarch leaders as the scheming murderers that they are, but wins herself a sweet deal as Lasombra Primogen by pinning it all on a loose cannon the others are happy to get rid of anyway. Her sire, for one, is elated at her ruthlessness and cunning, believing herself vindicated in having chosen her. Julia loses Dakota for good, whose death is named as a requirement for her new position, and Clan Lasombra's curse is tightening its grip on her, but she's hardened her heart to such trifles and finally succeeded in putting herself on top, pleased with what she's achieved overall.]] This is, fittingly, a very ''Lasombra'' ending, but whether it's a "good" one...well.
*** In the bad one, [[spoiler:she chooses not to blow the whistle on the conspiracy, allowing the Camarilla and their Anarch counterpart to spin their bullshit PR and pass off Callihan's murder as a suicide. To avoid the complications arising from her conflict with Kaiser, she is encouraged to abandon the city entirely and take up refuge in an Anarch Free State. She shares a telling and touching farewell with "Katherine", reconciles with Dakota, and departs the city for pastures unknown, putting the depraved kindred and bad experiences behind her. She ends the story in a far weaker position as a vampire, but a more healthy one as a human being.]]
* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Shadows of New York'' addressed several criticisms levelled at ''Coteries''. You are no longer limited by a poorly-defined feeding mechanic, leaving you with more freedom to use your Disciplines in dialogue trees. Julia, the protagonist, is also much more dynamic and interesting a player character than any of the three in ''Coteries'', who were so flimsily developed and interchangeable that some fans were left wondering why there was a choice to begin with. Story-wise, the tighter and more involved plot with two significantly different, but independently satisfying, trait-determined endings was praised as far superior to the original's entirely railroaded (and ''very'' divisive) climax. The way you spend your free time is also more generous; optional side stories you pick and choose between feel like actual side stories, not major arcs that end abruptly (some of which ''will'' missed out on entirely) due to a time limit on the main plot.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Dakota is a beautiful PerkyGoth MoralityPet for Julia. However, she makes a lot of jokes that show she's a believer in ConspiracyTheory that seems meant to be endearing. However, most of the theories she espouses are at their heart very racist and actively undermining the rule of law as well as science. As such, many fans see her less as a cool LoveInterest and more as a rich Trump supporter.
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* EvilIsSexy: Katherine Wiese, Prince Panhard, Qadir, and Hope.
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* EvilIsSexy: Katherine Wiese, Prince Panhard, Qadir, Samir, Sturbridge, and Hope.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade Coteries Of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade Coteries Of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.protagonist.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Much of the game deals with the rise of conspiracy theories, Qanon, fake news, social media manipulation, and the value of truth. Coronavirus is even mentioned as part of the story. This all relates to Julia's decision over whether or not [[spoiler: to help the Camarilla cover up Baron Callihan's murder.]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Much of the game deals with the rise of conspiracy theories, Qanon, fake news, social media manipulation, and the value of truth. Coronavirus is even mentioned as part of the story. This all relates to Julia's decision over whether or not [[spoiler: to help the Camarilla cover up Baron Callihan's murder.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society]]. Yikes!
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Actually part of the gameplay as Julia's personality is shaped by your decisions. If you make her a moral, kind, and compassionate person then she will have very different reactions to a cold blooded sociopathic manipulator.
* EvilIsSexy: Katherine Wiese, Prince Panhard, Qadir, and Hope.
* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarillasociety]]. Yikes!
society.]] Yikes! Somewhat mitigated by the fact [[spoiler: Dakota and Julia have broken up by this point and was planning on becoming a vampire herself.]]
* EvilIsSexy: Katherine Wiese, Prince Panhard, Qadir, and Hope.
* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{VampireTheMasqueradeCoteriesOfNewYork}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{VampireTheMasqueradeCoteriesOfNewYork}}''.''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade Coteries Of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{VampireTheMasquerade:CoteriesOfNewYork}}''.''VideoGame/{{VampireTheMasqueradeCoteriesOfNewYork}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade: Coteries Of New York}}''.''VideoGame/{{VampireTheMasquerade:CoteriesOfNewYork}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade: Coteries of Of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society]]. Yikes!
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* MoralEventHorizon: The "good" ending is a fantastic example of Julia grabbing her enemies by the balls and twisting until the reader is cheering for her... up until the point where [[spoiler:she lets them kill her girlfriend so she can advance in Camarilla society]]. Yikes!Yikes!
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade: Coteries of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: To ''VideoGame/{{Vampire The Masquerade: Coteries of New York}}''. Shadows is praised for its superior story structure, novel traits system, being arguably less linear (two endings instead of one) and having a better protagonist.
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