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* EvilIsSexy: Not that morality matters much in ''Tian Ya Ke'', but scenes where Wen Kexing shows his brutality as the Ghost Valley Master are undeniably everyone's favourite.
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* BrokenBase: Concerning the Adaptions, see below.
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* ShipSinking: In the Chinese fandom as ''Priest'''s works haven't been known to the Western audience at the time. In ''Qi Ye'', the ship for Zhou Zishu was with his ''shidi'', Liang Jiuxiao. Obviously, Liang Jiuxiao being dead sealed off the deal.
** To sink the ship even further, when Jing Beiyuan attempted to liken Wen Kexing to Liang Jiuxiao, Zhou Zishu said that it isn't possible, as "''[Jiuxiao] was just a kid''".
** To sink the ship even further, when Jing Beiyuan attempted to liken Wen Kexing to Liang Jiuxiao, Zhou Zishu said that it isn't possible, as "''[Jiuxiao] was just a kid''".
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** Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading" character.
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** Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]].worse. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading" character.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: Because of its tie to ''Word of Honor'', when the controversy of the lead actor rose up, the drama had a stain on it, dragging ''Tian Ya Ke'' along. This is further amplified by the fans of ''Word of Honor'' misusing the ''Tian Ya Ke'' tag and name, causing the tag to be mostly consisted of the drama and by default, the controversy too.
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* TheWoobie: Wen Kexing fits into this perfectly, the guy [[TraumaCongaLine never caught a break]] since he was nine, and him narrating his traumatic life in the finale doesn't make it any better.
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** ''Priest'''s work in general subverts the typical ''danmei'' dynamics, and [=WenZhou=] were no exception.
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** ''Priest'''s work in general subverts the typical ''danmei'' dynamics, and [=WenZhou=] were no exception.exception.
* TheWoobie: Wen Kexing fits into this perfectly, the guy [[TraumaCongaLine never caught a break]] since he was nine, and him narrating his traumatic life in the finale doesn't make it any better.
* TheWoobie: Wen Kexing fits into this perfectly, the guy [[TraumaCongaLine never caught a break]] since he was nine, and him narrating his traumatic life in the finale doesn't make it any better.
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** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.
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** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.improper or too out-of-character.
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationships. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show ''Series/WordOfHonor'' or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationships. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.works.
* FandomRivalry: Comically enough, it's between the ''Word Of Honor'' fandom and the ''Tian Ya Ke'' fandom, there is a lot of discourse concerning which source is the "superior" source. See the above point.
* FandomRivalry: Comically enough, it's between the ''Word Of Honor'' fandom and the ''Tian Ya Ke'' fandom, there is a lot of discourse concerning which source is the "superior" source. See the above point.
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu as [=WenZhou=].
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* PortmanteauCoupleName: Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu as [=WenZhou=].[=WenZhou=] / Cao Weining and Gu Xiang as [=NingXiang=].
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** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s live adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/[[CharacterDerailment too OOC]].
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/[[CharacterDerailment too OOC]].
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** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' ''Word Of Honor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s live adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone wasimproper/[[CharacterDerailment too OOC]].improper/too OOC.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was
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* ValuesDissonance: Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading" character.
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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
** Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading"character.character.
** The chapters concerning Long Que can be seen as ableist and seemingly mocking of people with disabilities.
** Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading"
** The chapters concerning Long Que can be seen as ableist and seemingly mocking of people with disabilities.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Even with only two openings, both of its lyrics and instruments capture the novel's atmosphere perfectly, let it be leaving wordly matters to be, or finding one's ''zhījǐ''.
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationship. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.
* FanficFuel: Priest tends to leave things ambiguous for the reader's imagination, leading fans to imagine Wen Kexing's time during his upbringing in the Ghost Valley, Gu Xiang's childhood, Zhou Zishu's time period between Liang Jiuxiao's death and his depart... etc.
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged. Between the characterisation of the show and some one dimensional vision of the characters can cause outsiders to think some things are canon, when they are either show-only, like Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu [[spoiler: being childhood friends]].
* FanficFuel: Priest tends to leave things ambiguous for the reader's imagination, leading fans to imagine Wen Kexing's time during his upbringing in the Ghost Valley, Gu Xiang's childhood, Zhou Zishu's time period between Liang Jiuxiao's death and his depart... etc.
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged. Between the characterisation of the show and some one dimensional vision of the characters can cause outsiders to think some things are canon, when they are either show-only, like Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu [[spoiler: being childhood friends]].
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* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationship.relationships. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.
* FanficFuel:Priest ''Priest'' tends to leave things ambiguous for the reader's imagination, leading fans to imagine Wen Kexing's time during his upbringing childhood in the Ghost Valley, Gu Xiang's childhood, Zhou Zishu's time period between Liang Jiuxiao's death and his depart... etc.
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged.Between the The characterisation of the show and some [[MisaimedFandom one dimensional vision vision]] of the characters can cause outsiders to think some things are canon, when they are either show-only, like Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu [[spoiler: being childhood friends]].or a simple misconception.
* FanficFuel:
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged.
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** For the people who read ''Qi ye'' after ''Tian Ya Ke'', every throwback to the events/Liang Jiuxiao become more painful.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read ''Literature/QiYe'' will sometimes side eye Zhou Zishu for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the way he dealt]] with a ''certain'' matter. He didn't do it personally, but he was complicit regardless.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read ''Literature/QiYe'' will sometimes side eye Zhou Zishu for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the way he dealt]] with a ''certain'' matter. He didn't do it personally, but he was complicit regardless.
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** For the people who read ''Qi ye'' ''Literature/QiYe'' after ''Tian Ya Ke'', every throwback to the events/Liang Jiuxiao become more painful.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read''Literature/QiYe'' ''Qi Ye'' will sometimes side eye Zhou Zishu for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the way he dealt]] with a ''certain'' "certain" matter. He didn't do it personally, but he was complicit regardless.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read
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* ShipSinking: In the Chinese fandom as Priest works haven't been known to the Western audience at the time. in ''Qi Ye'', the ship for Zhou Zishu was with his ''shidi'', Liang Jiuxiao. Obviously, Liang Jiuxiao being dead sealed off the deal.
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* ShipSinking: In the Chinese fandom as Priest ''Priest'''s works haven't been known to the Western audience at the time. in In ''Qi Ye'', the ship for Zhou Zishu was with his ''shidi'', Liang Jiuxiao. Obviously, Liang Jiuxiao being dead sealed off the deal.
* TearJerker: The fate of [[spoiler: Gu Xiang and Cao Weining]] is gut wrenching to many fans, even if they got their happy ending, the event is painful to remember.
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** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like Liu Qianqiao.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like Liu Qianqiao.
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** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s live adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone wasimproper/too OOC.
improper/[[CharacterDerailment too OOC]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like LiuQianqiao.Qianqiao.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Subverted. While many understand that the novel's focus isn't on the plot, they still wished there was more focus on it. Some fans praise ''Series/WordOfHonor'' for expanding on it.
* ValuesDissonance: Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading" character.
* ValuesResonance: Wen Kexing being the more feminine of the two, the most emotionally open and calling himself the ''wife'' while being the ''gōng'' of the novel, was rather uncommon for its time.
** ''Priest'''s work in general subverts the typical ''danmei'' dynamics, and [=WenZhou=] were no exception.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like Liu
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Subverted. While many understand that the novel's focus isn't on the plot, they still wished there was more focus on it. Some fans praise ''Series/WordOfHonor'' for expanding on it.
* ValuesDissonance: Some people (mainly those who aren't familiar with the genre) may find issues or uneasiness with Wen Kexing's advances, making him seem like a DepravedHomosexual or even [[BastardBoyfriend worse]]. This is caused by the cultural differences in media, as this is very common in danmei, where the flirting can be aggressive or non-mutual, especially for the "persuading" character.
* ValuesResonance: Wen Kexing being the more feminine of the two, the most emotionally open and calling himself the ''wife'' while being the ''gōng'' of the novel, was rather uncommon for its time.
** ''Priest'''s work in general subverts the typical ''danmei'' dynamics, and [=WenZhou=] were no exception.
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* AdaptationDisplacement: This wouldn't be much of a problem if the LiveActionAdaptation wasn't so different from the source material, causing people to overlook the novel due to it's different tone.
* BizarroEpisode: The whole brothel-house segment, who knew Zhou Zishu's drawing skills [[SarcasmMode were ''that'' good?]]
* BrokenBase: Concerning the Adaptions, see below.
* EvilIsSexy: Not that morality matters much in ''Tian Ya Ke'', but scenes where Wen Kexing shows his brutality as the Ghost Valley Master are undeniably everyone's favourite.
* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationship. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.
* FanficFuel: Priest tends to leave things ambiguous for the reader's imagination, leading fans to imagine Wen Kexing's time during his upbringing in the Ghost Valley, Gu Xiang's childhood, Zhou Zishu's time period between Liang Jiuxiao's death and his depart... etc.
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged. Between the characterisation of the show and some one dimensional vision of the characters can cause outsiders to think some things are canon, when they are either show-only, like Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu [[spoiler: being childhood friends]].
* GeniusBonus: In ''Tian Ya Ke'' original source, there are many philosophical, cultural and literature references, one must either have extensive knowledge of those aspects in Chinese culture, or for the non-Chinese audience, the translator be kind enough to explain things in notes.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Wen Kexing's "tales" that sounded ominous and ambiguous, only for it to be a cover up for the most traumatic memory in his life. There is also his weird attention to shoulderblades, only because he saw his mother as the most beautiful person, and he always knew her by her shoulderblades.
** Wen Kexing's ability to cook and do chorus, innocent at first, but then fans remember that he was ''forced'' to know those stuff in order to survive the Ghost Valley and take care of Gu Xiang.
** For the people who read ''Qi ye'' after ''Tian Ya Ke'', every throwback to the events/Liang Jiuxiao become more painful.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read ''Literature/QiYe'' will sometimes side eye Zhou Zishu for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the way he dealt]] with a ''certain'' matter. He didn't do it personally, but he was complicit regardless.
* PortmanteauCoupleName: Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu as [=WenZhou=].
* ShipSinking: In the Chinese fandom as Priest works haven't been known to the Western audience at the time. in ''Qi Ye'', the ship for Zhou Zishu was with his ''shidi'', Liang Jiuxiao. Obviously, Liang Jiuxiao being dead sealed off the deal.
** To sink the ship even further, when Jing Beiyuan attempted to liken Wen Kexing to Liang Jiuxiao, Zhou Zishu said that it isn't possible, as "''[Jiuxiao] was just a kid''".
* SignatureScene: While there are many memorable scenes, the ''There’s light on you, I want to catch it and see'' takes the cake for many.
* TheWoobie: Wen Kexing fits into this perfectly, the guy [[TraumaCongaLine never caught a break]] since he was nine, and him narrating his traumatic life in the finale doesn't make it any better.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like Liu Qianqiao.
* BizarroEpisode: The whole brothel-house segment, who knew Zhou Zishu's drawing skills [[SarcasmMode were ''that'' good?]]
* BrokenBase: Concerning the Adaptions, see below.
* EvilIsSexy: Not that morality matters much in ''Tian Ya Ke'', but scenes where Wen Kexing shows his brutality as the Ghost Valley Master are undeniably everyone's favourite.
* FandomEnragingMisconception: The novel fans don't take too kindly to people who bash the novel due to it's difference from the show or deem it as the inferior story. One of the most defining differences is that the show plays into ''wuxia'' clichés while the novel actively avoids them, this extends to the character's personalities and relationship. People who are a fan of both often suggest seeing both materials as two separate works.
* FanficFuel: Priest tends to leave things ambiguous for the reader's imagination, leading fans to imagine Wen Kexing's time during his upbringing in the Ghost Valley, Gu Xiang's childhood, Zhou Zishu's time period between Liang Jiuxiao's death and his depart... etc.
* {{Fanon}}: Zigzagged. Between the characterisation of the show and some one dimensional vision of the characters can cause outsiders to think some things are canon, when they are either show-only, like Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu [[spoiler: being childhood friends]].
* GeniusBonus: In ''Tian Ya Ke'' original source, there are many philosophical, cultural and literature references, one must either have extensive knowledge of those aspects in Chinese culture, or for the non-Chinese audience, the translator be kind enough to explain things in notes.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Wen Kexing's "tales" that sounded ominous and ambiguous, only for it to be a cover up for the most traumatic memory in his life. There is also his weird attention to shoulderblades, only because he saw his mother as the most beautiful person, and he always knew her by her shoulderblades.
** Wen Kexing's ability to cook and do chorus, innocent at first, but then fans remember that he was ''forced'' to know those stuff in order to survive the Ghost Valley and take care of Gu Xiang.
** For the people who read ''Qi ye'' after ''Tian Ya Ke'', every throwback to the events/Liang Jiuxiao become more painful.
* NeverLiveItDown: Downplayed. People who have read ''Literature/QiYe'' will sometimes side eye Zhou Zishu for [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil the way he dealt]] with a ''certain'' matter. He didn't do it personally, but he was complicit regardless.
* PortmanteauCoupleName: Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu as [=WenZhou=].
* ShipSinking: In the Chinese fandom as Priest works haven't been known to the Western audience at the time. in ''Qi Ye'', the ship for Zhou Zishu was with his ''shidi'', Liang Jiuxiao. Obviously, Liang Jiuxiao being dead sealed off the deal.
** To sink the ship even further, when Jing Beiyuan attempted to liken Wen Kexing to Liang Jiuxiao, Zhou Zishu said that it isn't possible, as "''[Jiuxiao] was just a kid''".
* SignatureScene: While there are many memorable scenes, the ''There’s light on you, I want to catch it and see'' takes the cake for many.
* TheWoobie: Wen Kexing fits into this perfectly, the guy [[TraumaCongaLine never caught a break]] since he was nine, and him narrating his traumatic life in the finale doesn't make it any better.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks:
** LiveActionAdaptation: Due to the drastic changes, some people don't consider ''Series/WordOfHonor'' as ''Tian Ya Ke'''s adaption. Especially the character personalities changes that led to the change in their dynamic that most found different and memorable, seeing it as a disservice or a downgrade.
** AudioDrama: Some fans complained that the director/actors misinterpreted a certain dialogue or a certain character, therefore the choice of tone was improper/too OOC.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some think that some of the side characters could have been further explored, or at least deserved a better death like Liu Qianqiao.
