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* FanPreferredCouple: Odds are you'll find more fan content for Addie with Luc than Addie with Henry. While Henry is seen as a sympathetic and nuanced portrayal of someone with depression, for a lot of fans he's not too interesting outside of that and his relationship with Addie largely hinges around the novelty of his curse overriding her's, while the MindGameShip between Addie and the otherworldly being who cursed her is often perceived as more complex and dynamic.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Odds are you'll find more fan content for Addie with Luc than Addie with Henry. While Henry is seen as a sympathetic and nuanced portrayal of someone with depression, for a lot of fans he's not too interesting outside of that and his relationship with Addie largely hinges around the novelty of his curse overriding her's, hers, while the MindGameShip between Addie and the otherworldly being who cursed her is often perceived as more complex and dynamic. dynamic.
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* ShipToShipCombat: A rather bizarre version in this fandom, due to it being deliberately ambiguous what each of three central character's really are feeling. It's less so much that the Addie/Luc and Addie/Henry shippers are arguing with each other online, it's more that they're trying to decipher what's really going on with all three of them.
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* ShipToShipCombat: A rather bizarre version in this fandom, due to it being deliberately ambiguous what each of three central character's really are feeling. It's less so much that the Addie/Luc and Addie/Henry shippers are arguing with each other online, it's more that they're trying to decipher what's really going on with all three of them.them.
* SpiritualSuccessor: Some have pointed out the novel could be seen as a DarkerAndEdgier take on ''Film/TheAgeOfAdaline'', a 2015 movie about a woman who doesn't age and struggles to form lasting relationships (though in this movie the cause of the protagonist's immortality is never fully explained and she doesn't also have to deal with being constantly forgotten; Adaline has the ''opposite'' problem of trying to prevent people knowing her secret). The present-day events of both stories take place in 2014 and the names of the protagonists are nearly identical (Addie's full name is Adeline).
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* SpiritualSuccessor: Some have pointed out the novel could be seen as a DarkerAndEdgier take on ''Film/TheAgeOfAdaline'', a 2015 movie about a woman who doesn't age and struggles to form lasting relationships (though in this movie the cause of the protagonist's immortality is never fully explained and she doesn't also have to deal with being constantly forgotten; Adaline has the ''opposite'' problem of trying to prevent people knowing her secret). The present-day events of both stories take place in 2014 and the names of the protagonists are nearly identical (Addie's full name is Adeline).
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous ''[[Theatre/TristanUndIsolde Tristan und Isolde]]'', whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous ''[[Theatre/TristanUndIsolde Tristan und Isolde]]'', ''Theatre/TristanUndIsolde'', whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.plot.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Odds are you'll find more fan content for Addie with Luc than Addie with Henry.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Odds are you'll find more fan content for Addie with Luc than Addie with Henry. While Henry is seen as a sympathetic and nuanced portrayal of someone with depression, for a lot of fans he's not too interesting outside of that and his relationship with Addie largely hinges around the novelty of his curse overriding her's, while the MindGameShip between Addie and the otherworldly being who cursed her is often perceived as more complex and dynamic.
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* OneSceneWonder: Remy is extremely memorable and is often mentioned in reviews, despite only appearing once.
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* OneSceneWonder: OneSceneWonder:
** Remy is extremely memorable and is often mentioned in reviews, despite only appearing once.
** Remy is extremely memorable and is often mentioned in reviews, despite only appearing once.
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** Does Addie actually love Henry, or is it just a brief infatuation brought on by relief at having someone, ''anyone'', able to remember her? Addie herself questions this, and the chapter their relationship is built in is titled nothing less than ''Don't Mistake This For Love.''
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** Does Addie actually love Henry, or is it just a brief infatuation brought on by relief at having someone, ''anyone'', able to remember her? Addie herself questions this, and the chapter their relationship is built in they say "I love you" is titled nothing less than ''Don't Mistake This For Love.'''' And it's kind of eyebrow-raising how much Addie puts emphasis on Henry being able to remember her when pleading with Luc over any feelings of love, even her last words to him are making him promise to remember her.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Odds are you'll find more fan content for Addie with Luc than Addie with Henry.
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* RealismInducedHorror: In a story with supernatural suffering, damnation, fantastical journeys through time, and the like, Henry's depression is ''thoroughly'' realistic.
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* RealismInducedHorror: In a story with supernatural suffering, damnation, fantastical journeys through time, and the like, Henry's depression is ''thoroughly'' realistic.realistic.
* ShipToShipCombat: A rather bizarre version in this fandom, due to it being deliberately ambiguous what each of three central character's really are feeling. It's less so much that the Addie/Luc and Addie/Henry shippers are arguing with each other online, it's more that they're trying to decipher what's really going on with all three of them.
* ShipToShipCombat: A rather bizarre version in this fandom, due to it being deliberately ambiguous what each of three central character's really are feeling. It's less so much that the Addie/Luc and Addie/Henry shippers are arguing with each other online, it's more that they're trying to decipher what's really going on with all three of them.
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* MagnificentBastard: ''Luc.'' After three hundred years, Addie has picked up this quality in spades as well.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Sure, Addie suffers a lot, but she also witnesses and inspires some of history's greatest events and works of art, lives in complete freedom, answers to nobody, and can infinitely retry any social interaction until she gets what she wants.
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Sure, Addie suffers a lot, but she also witnesses and inspires some of history's greatest events and works of art, lives in complete freedom, answers to nobody, can steal whatever she wants without consequences, and can infinitely retry any social interaction until she gets what she wants.
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* FridgeHorror: A person exists who will follow you for months, never tell you anything true about herself, learn your deepest secrets, and use what she learned to manipulate you into having sex with her. [[DoubleStandardRapeScifi And you will never remember consenting.]]
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* DoubleStandardRapeSciFi: The book starts in the aftermath Addie having sex with a guy, knowing full well that he would not remember their encounter. He has no knowledge of consenting, and there is no evidence that Addie ever informed him of the consequences. Plus, Addie apparently has done this often, having her way with others without them ever remembering that they consented.
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* DoubleStandardRapeSciFi: The book starts in the aftermath Addie having sex with a guy, knowing full well that he would not remember their encounter. He has no knowledge of consenting, and there is no evidence that Addie ever informed him of the consequences. Plus, Addie apparently has done this often, having her way with others without them ever remembering that they consented.
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous ''[[Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung Der Ring des Nibelungen]]'', whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous ''[[Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung Der Ring des Nibelungen]]'', ''[[Theatre/TristanUndIsolde Tristan und Isolde]]'', whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
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** Is Luc an evil being with no real empathy with or feelings towards humanity, or is Luc a genuinely loving (if inhuman) figure with genuine emotional needs? It doesn't help that Luc [[ILied argues ''both'']] at various points.
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** Is Luc an evil being with no real empathy with or feelings towards humanity, or is Luc a genuinely loving (if inhuman) figure with genuine emotional needs? It doesn't help that Luc [[ILied argues ''both'']] ''[[ILied both]]'' at various points.
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** Does Robbie really still love Henry, or is it just an effect of Henry's curse? Henry seems to think it's the latter, but Bea seems to think it pre-dates the events of the plot.
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous TheRingOfTheNibelung, whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
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* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous TheRingOfTheNibelung, ''[[Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung Der Ring des Nibelungen]]'', whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.plot.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.
* MagnificentBastard: ''Luc.'' After three hundred years, Addie has picked up this quality in spades as well.
* OneSceneWonder: Remy is extremely memorable and is often mentioned in reviews, despite only appearing once.
** In an InUniverse sense, Addie is one of these to everyone she inspires, as nobody will remember her for a subsequent appearance.
* RealismInducedHorror: In a story with supernatural suffering, damnation, fantastical journeys through time, and the like, Henry's depression is ''thoroughly'' realistic.
* IdiotPlot: Both Addie and Henry know perfectly well making a deal with Luc is extremely inadvisable, but they do so anyway. There are good reasons why Luc appeals to the desperate, the depressed, and the intoxicated.
* MagnificentBastard: ''Luc.'' After three hundred years, Addie has picked up this quality in spades as well.
* OneSceneWonder: Remy is extremely memorable and is often mentioned in reviews, despite only appearing once.
** In an InUniverse sense, Addie is one of these to everyone she inspires, as nobody will remember her for a subsequent appearance.
* RealismInducedHorror: In a story with supernatural suffering, damnation, fantastical journeys through time, and the like, Henry's depression is ''thoroughly'' realistic.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Just about ''everyone'' in the cast can be subject to this.
** Is Addie just a poor victim of a malicious force beyond her comprehension? Or is she a ManipulativeBastard playing a cosmic chess game with a god, increasingly divorced from the humanity she came from? Luc seems to think the latter, and Addie does have her moments; she at one point is willing to damn a perfectly innocent person at random to save Henry.
** Is Luc an evil being with no real empathy with or feelings towards humanity, or is Luc a genuinely loving (if inhuman) figure with genuine emotional needs? It doesn't help that Luc [[ILied argues ''both'']] at various points.
** Does Addie actually love Henry, or is it just a brief infatuation brought on by relief at having someone, ''anyone'', able to remember her? Addie herself questions this, and the chapter their relationship is built in is titled nothing less than ''Don't Mistake This For Love.''
** Does Addie feel any love for Luc? The ending would seem to say no at first glance, but Addie also refers to their relationship in New Orleans as the happiest time of her life.
** Henry's willingness to use others' hypnotized perceptions of him for sex is bound to cause mixed reactions.
** Is Henry's sister Muriel the only really supportive member of his family, or is she an enabling drug-dealer who directly causes Henry's deal with Luc?
** Is Henry's family as rejecting and demanding as they seem, or [[UnreliableNarrator is Henry's perception of them warped by his depression?]]
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The plot briefly stops off in 1944, where Addie and Luc stop to confirm to each other that they both hate Nazis. No matter how immoral or amoral Luc may be, [[EvenEvilHasStandards he reminds the reader that he's anti-war and certainly anti-Nazi.]] This doesn't really do anything to advance the story.
* CryForTheDevil: It's hard not to sympathize with Luc at points. Even Addie comes to believe he's genuinely suffering in isolation. [[spoiler:And when he finally ''does'' get what he wants, that being Addie's companionship, she's scheming to "break his heart."]]
* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Sure, Addie suffers a lot, but she also witnesses and inspires some of history's greatest events and works of art, lives in complete freedom, answers to nobody, and can infinitely retry any social interaction until she gets what she wants.
* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous TheRingOfTheNibelung, whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
** Is Addie just a poor victim of a malicious force beyond her comprehension? Or is she a ManipulativeBastard playing a cosmic chess game with a god, increasingly divorced from the humanity she came from? Luc seems to think the latter, and Addie does have her moments; she at one point is willing to damn a perfectly innocent person at random to save Henry.
** Is Luc an evil being with no real empathy with or feelings towards humanity, or is Luc a genuinely loving (if inhuman) figure with genuine emotional needs? It doesn't help that Luc [[ILied argues ''both'']] at various points.
** Does Addie actually love Henry, or is it just a brief infatuation brought on by relief at having someone, ''anyone'', able to remember her? Addie herself questions this, and the chapter their relationship is built in is titled nothing less than ''Don't Mistake This For Love.''
** Does Addie feel any love for Luc? The ending would seem to say no at first glance, but Addie also refers to their relationship in New Orleans as the happiest time of her life.
** Henry's willingness to use others' hypnotized perceptions of him for sex is bound to cause mixed reactions.
** Is Henry's sister Muriel the only really supportive member of his family, or is she an enabling drug-dealer who directly causes Henry's deal with Luc?
** Is Henry's family as rejecting and demanding as they seem, or [[UnreliableNarrator is Henry's perception of them warped by his depression?]]
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The plot briefly stops off in 1944, where Addie and Luc stop to confirm to each other that they both hate Nazis. No matter how immoral or amoral Luc may be, [[EvenEvilHasStandards he reminds the reader that he's anti-war and certainly anti-Nazi.]] This doesn't really do anything to advance the story.
* CryForTheDevil: It's hard not to sympathize with Luc at points. Even Addie comes to believe he's genuinely suffering in isolation. [[spoiler:And when he finally ''does'' get what he wants, that being Addie's companionship, she's scheming to "break his heart."]]
* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Sure, Addie suffers a lot, but she also witnesses and inspires some of history's greatest events and works of art, lives in complete freedom, answers to nobody, and can infinitely retry any social interaction until she gets what she wants.
* GeniusBonus: What opera does Luc take Addie to? None other than Wagner's famous TheRingOfTheNibelung, whose themes are extremely relevant to that portion of the plot.
