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a character that hates their gender due to the way gender roles worked, but who doesnt complain about babysitting duties, should have this pointed out.


** The sexist scenes. Whenever any spying is to be done by only part of the group, the boys always insist they do it. This is reasonable for Anne, who doesn't enjoy adventure and is the youngest and most timid. However, George hates to be left out. Whenever she wants to join the boys, they tell her they'd love to have her along, but that someone needs to stay and look after Anne. Nowadays, it would be reasonable for George to say "Why can't one of you look after Anne this time, so I can have a turn?" But due to the times, she never argues the point.

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** The sexist scenes. Whenever any spying is to be done by only part of the group, the boys always insist they do it. This is reasonable for Anne, who doesn't enjoy adventure and is the youngest and most timid. However, George hates to be left out. Whenever she wants to join the boys, they tell her they'd love to have her along, but that someone needs to stay and look after Anne. Nowadays, it would be reasonable for George to say "Why can't one of you look after Anne this time, so I can have a turn?" But due to the times, she never argues the point.point, despite her usual complaints about these attitudes
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** In ''Five fall into Adventure'', Dick comforts the gipsy girl Jo when she is tearful from having been mistreated by her father, showing genuine kindness. She makes a point of liking him for than the rest of the Five for this.

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** In ''Five fall into Adventure'', Dick comforts the gipsy girl Jo when she is tearful from having been mistreated by her father, showing genuine kindness. She makes a point of liking him for more than the rest of the Five for this.

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Not a subversion, and links to parodies don't help explain interpretations of the original work.


** The "[[TransAudienceInterpretation George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in ''Series/TheComicStripPresents'' parody ''Five Go Mad in Dorset'' when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.
*** Also subverted in WesternAnimation/FamousFiveOnTheCase, where George [[HappilyMarried adores her husband Ravi]] and the pair are happily raising biological daughter Jo.

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** The "[[TransAudienceInterpretation George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in ''Series/TheComicStripPresents'' parody ''Five Go Mad in Dorset'' when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.\n*** Also subverted in WesternAnimation/FamousFiveOnTheCase, where George [[HappilyMarried adores her husband Ravi]] and the pair are happily raising biological daughter Jo.
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** In ''Five on Kirrin Island Again'', George travels to the island in the middle of the night, when she suspects that Timmy in danger, having been left on the island to guard her father. Her reunion with her usually irascible father is quite touching.
** In ''Five fall into Adventure'', Dick comforts the gipsy girl Jo when she is tearful from having been mistreated by her father, showing genuine kindness. She makes a point of liking him for than the rest of the Five for this.
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*** Also subverted in WesternAnimation/FamousFiveOnTheCase, where George [[HappilyMarried adores her husband Ravi]] and the pair are happily raising biological daughter Jo.

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* TearJerker: One particularly sad moment is in ''Five go off in a Caravan'', when their circus friend Nobby's dog Barker eats poisoned meat, which was intended for Timmy. [[spoiler: Barker recovers at the very end of the book.]]



** There are casual references to CorporalPunishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then, but now they sound quite abusive.

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** There are many casual references to CorporalPunishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then, but now they sound quite abusive.
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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in ''Series/TheComicStripPresents'' parody ''Five Go Mad in Dorset'' when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.

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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity "[[TransAudienceInterpretation George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in ''Series/TheComicStripPresents'' parody ''Five Go Mad in Dorset'' when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.

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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.

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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else. This is subverted in the adult ''Series/TheComicStripPresents'' parody done by "The Comic Strip" ''Five Go Mad in Dorset'' when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.



* SuddenDownerEnding: ''Five Go off in a Caravan'' ends in the ''queerest'' way. After the children have written a long letter home telling their parents of the exciting happenings on their holiday, they receive a telegram: "Amazed to get your letter about the happenings. They sound dangerous. Come home at once. Daddy." And they do so, just like that, even though the journey home takes several days (more than they actually spent at their destination), and they had only just started to enjoy their holiday after the exciting happenings. This is a very disappointing ending, and very contrary to the rest of the series, totally subverting the usual narrative of FreeRangeChildren. It's unlikely that they wrote to tell their parents any more on future holidays.



** Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.

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** Julian and George George's clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.
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---> '''George''': It's ''stupid'' being a girl! Always having to be careful when boys can do as they like. I'm going to sleep in a barn anyway: I don't care what you say, Ju.
---> '''Julian''': Oh yes you do. If you go against the orders of the chief, that's me, my girl, you won't come out with us again. Like it or not, girls have to be taken care of.
---> '''George''': But I would have thought boys hate looking after their sisters and girl cousins, especially girls like me who don't like it.
---> '''Julian''': Well, ''decent'' boys like looking after their sisters and girl cousins; and oddly enough, decent girls like it. But I'm not going to count you as a girl, decent or otherwise. I'm going to count you as a boy who's got to have an eye on him - my eye, see? So take that look off your face, and don't make yourself more difficult than you already are.
---> '''George''' (laughing): All right, you win. You're so jolly domineering these days I feel quite afraid of you.
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** The sexist scenes. Whenever any spying is to be done by only part of the group, the boys always insist they do it. This is reasonable for Anne, who doesn't enjoy adventure and is the youngest and most timid. However, George hates to be left out. Whenever she wants to join the boys, they tell her they'd love to have her along, but that someone needs to stay and look after Anne. Nowadays, it would be reasonable for George to say "Why can't one of you look after Anne this time, so I can have a turn?" But due to the times, she never argues the point.
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* SuddenDownerEnding: ''Five Go off in a Caravan'' ends in the ''queerest'' way. After the children have written a long letter home telling their parents of the exciting happenings on their holiday, they receive a telegram: "Amazed to get your letter about the happenings. They sound dangerous. Come home at once. Daddy." And they do so, just like that, even though the journey home takes several days (more than they actually spent at their destination), and they had only just started to enjoy their holiday after the exciting happenings. This is a very disappointing ending, and very contrary to the rest of the series, totally subverting the usual narrative of FreeRangeChildren. It's unlikely that they wrote to tell their parents any more on future holidays.

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** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then, but now they sound quite abusive.

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** There are casual references to corporal punishment CorporalPunishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then, but now they sound quite abusive.abusive.
---> "He's got a stick! I hope he whacks you hard."


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---> "It's ''stupid'' being a girl!" said George, for the millionth time in her life.

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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.
*** This is ironically subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.
** Another interpretation is she is a BoomerangBigot with a lot of internalized misogyny and self loathing. The self loathing part is more evident in Five Go to Mystery Moor, where the group meets a girl who is basically George with another name. They hate each other from the first moment and George looks down on her because she uses the male version of her name and dresses like a boy, the same things George does all the time!

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** The "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.
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else. This is ironically subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with her 20 year old step-son.
** Another interpretation is she is a BoomerangBigot with a lot of internalized misogyny and self loathing. self-loathing. The self loathing self-loathing part is more evident in Five ''Five Go to Mystery Moor, Moor'', where the group meets a girl who is basically George with another name. They hate each other from the first moment and George looks down on her because she uses the male version of her name and dresses like a boy, the same things George does all the time!



** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.

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** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults not related to the child. That was normal back then then, but now they sound quite abusive.
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* LGBTFanbase: George is popular with lesbians as well as trans people.
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*** This is ironically subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with his 20 year old son.

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*** This is ironically subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with his her 20 year old son.step-son.
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*** This is ironically subverted in the adult parody done by "The Comic Strip" when they revisit the Famous Five as adults. George has multiple husbands, who she loved and left when a better (and richer) one came along and herself is independently wealthy due to one of her husbands dropping dead of a heart attack after catching George mid-coitus with his 20 year old son.
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** Another interpretation is she is a BoomerangBigot with a lot of internalized misoginy and self loathing. The self loathing part is more evident in Five Go to Mystery Moor, where the group meets a girl who is basically George with another name. They hate each other from the first moment and George looks down on her because she uses the male version of her name and dresses like a boy, the same things George does all the time!

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** Another interpretation is she is a BoomerangBigot with a lot of internalized misoginy misogyny and self loathing. The self loathing part is more evident in Five Go to Mystery Moor, where the group meets a girl who is basically George with another name. They hate each other from the first moment and George looks down on her because she uses the male version of her name and dresses like a boy, the same things George does all the time!
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** George's extreme disdain towards being seen as a girl is supposed to be her rebelling against the strict gender roles of the period. Reading the books with a modern POV, she reads more like a young trans boy than originally intended.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ''George is secretly transgendered'' view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.

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The ''George "[[AmbiguousGenderIdentity George is secretly transgendered'' transgender]]" view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.



* ValuesDissonance: Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.
** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults no related to the child, that was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAuthorityFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.
** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults no not related to the child, that child. That was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.
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** The portrayal of different classes. Anyone born lower class is expected to stay there and be happy with the limitations of that time. Whenever a lower class character attempts to move up, they're inevitably treated as villainous.

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** The portrayal of different classes. Anyone born lower class is expected to stay there and be happy with the limitations of that time. Whenever a lower class character attempts to move up, they're inevitably treated as villainous.villainous.
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** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults no related to the child, that was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.

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** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults no related to the child, that was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.abusive.
** The portrayal of different classes. Anyone born lower class is expected to stay there and be happy with the limitations of that time. Whenever a lower class character attempts to move up, they're inevitably treated as villainous.
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* ValuesDissonance: Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAutorithyFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.

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* ValuesDissonance: Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAutorithyFigure ReasonableAuthorityFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ''George is secretly transgendered'' view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ''George is secretly transgendered'' view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.else.
** Another interpretation is she is a BoomerangBigot with a lot of internalized misoginy and self loathing. The self loathing part is more evident in Five Go to Mystery Moor, where the group meets a girl who is basically George with another name. They hate each other from the first moment and George looks down on her because she uses the male version of her name and dresses like a boy, the same things George does all the time!
* ValuesDissonance: Julian and George clashes. Back when the books were published Julian was a ReasonableAutorithyFigure dealing with an unreasonable girl, but today he comes across as bossy and chauvinistic, especially when he forces his StayInTheKitchen mentality on her.
** There are casual references to corporal punishment from parents or even adults no related to the child, that was normal back then but now they sound quite abusive.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The ''George is secretly transgendered'' view point is a popular one as she seems to have traits that go above and beyond what you would normally expect from a tomboy. She even outright declares that she wishes she wasn't born a girl at one point, although that was arguably more to do with the StayInTheKitchen mentality of the time than anything else.

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