History YMMV / SuperSmashBrosForNintendo3DSAndWiiU

* SeinfieldIsUnfunny: The game attempting to push the competitive side by trying to balance the cast out and using a tournament to promote the game, the game bringing back fan-favorite characters that were missing in ''Brawl'' and having hype reveal trailers for each newcomer that have their unique movesets, and the changes to veterans to make them more faithful and fleshed out, all pale compared to ''Ultimate'' one-upping ''for 3DS/Wii U'' in many ways. A lot of people nowadays look back on what ''for 3DS/Wii U'' did wrong, such as the lackluster single player, the game rewarding defensive strategies, and the game excluding Wolf, Snake, and other characters.

** The entirety of All-Star Mode mode. The sheer amount of characters you have to face (every character you've unlocked except for DLC you haven't purchased, having less recovery than ''Brawl'' (one special fully-healing Heart Container [two after unlocking all characters], one Fairy Bottle, and one Maxim Tomato compared to ''Brawl'''s three special Heart Containers), and no longer being given the option to continue from a loss with a penalty to score and prizes makes this iteration a nightmarish MarathonLevel that can be extremely difficult to complete even at the lowest settings. Special mention goes to the 1994-1998, 2001-2006 & 2007-2015 stages, which have had numerous DLC characters added to each of them post-launch (Mewtwo & Cloud for the first one, Roy & Lucas for the second one and Corrin & Bayonetta for the third one) as well as some stages that can serve as major hindrances, such as Magicant in the 3DS version of the former stage and Mario Circuit in the Wii U version of the latter stage. Thankfully, you can easily throw opponents into the blast lines on Mario Circuit & Eldin Bridge in the Wii U version, but you'd also run the risk of being quickly KO'd yourself.

* WinBackTheCrowd: ''3DS/Wii U'' is trying to do this for players that prefer ''Melee'' without alienating fans of ''Brawl''. [[BrokenBase For the]] [[VocalMinority most part]] it worked.

* HypeBacklash:
** Mentioning the Gemastu leaks, as while they aren't fully reflected in the final version, fans continue to debate whether they're from an earlier point in development or a straight-up UrbanLegendOfZelda.
** The Fighter Ballot has been a repeated source of controversy and infighting amongst the fandom. Sakurai stated that he would use the ballot as a basis to consider a future fighter as DLC, and this immediately erupted into arguments over who the fandom should vote in. A veteran who didn't make the final cut? An older classic Nintendo character? A popular third-party character? A newer indie character? There were no right answers (it was everybody vs everybody, and ThereCanBeOnlyOne), and if you ever made a suggestion, it would bring about accusations of you wasting your vote. And then, during the final Smash Direct, this all came to a head when [[ShockingSwerve it was revealed that]] ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' was chosen as the victor.

** Pac-Man and Miis were not popular characters to suggest, and still have their share of hatred, but once their trailers were released, a lot of fans started warming up to them. Part of the case for Pac-Man's post-reveal upswing was that ''Smash'' uses a very traditional design for him, when many feared that he would have a hip modern redesign along the lines of the ''[[WesternAnimation/PacManAndTheGhostlyAdventures Ghostly Adventures]]'' cartoon and the Mii Fighters can allow you to either play as or beat up anyone that the Mii Maker is capable of creating.

** The Wii U version's Classic Mode has been getting a lot of flak for changing and/or removing certain elements. Such elements include having a less interesting way to progress Classic mode, removing stadium modes between fights, not having themed battles (at least not intentionally, you could still have fighters on related stages but it comes from random luck), and more opponents per round on average with a dependence on the [[RandomNumberGod RNG]] for what kind of battles you face (you have limited control over how many opponents you face for rounds 1, 2, and 4, but whether you get a team battle or a chaotic free-for-all is up to chance, and you're unlikely to get any more than two 1v1s out of five battles, if that).

** Sandbag no longer dropping [=CDs=], for that matter. Now the only way is for them to spawn randomly or to be dropped by Mew, meaning [=CD=] factories are focused on making Master Balls land in a predictable spot.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Mode, in this case. Smash Run is universally preferred over Smash Tour, and many fans lament that the former didn't made it into the console version while the latter is widely disliked aside from the multi-character battle at the end. It doesn't help that Master Fortress features modified versions of Smash Run enemies, which suggests that they could have given fans an HD version of the portable-exclusive mode.

* UnderusedGameMechanic:
** The Mii Fighters. It is at its core a great idea, offering the possibility to create your own smasher, but in the game itself it is very difficult to really make the character you want as its characteristics and even cosmetic elements are unlocked via very frustrating {{Random Drop}}s. To add to this, the Mii Fighters aren't even available to play online in "With Anyone" mode, needlessly limiting their interest for hardcore players. Similarly, the Custom Moves are also given at random, could obtain duplicates, and are not available online with anyone either, though Mii characters and Palutena (who have radically different specials) have all of them available at the start. The [[DownloadableContent DLC]] characters don't even have Custom Moves, which make one question if Nintendo itself completely dropped the idea. As for Equipment, while the idea sounds good on paper (customization of your characters stats and give them new abilities), it is a total GameBreaker in practice, and is mainly used to cheese through Crazy Orders in order to unlock the tediously-obtainable aforementioned Custom Moves. [[labelnote:*]]In fact, the Direct implies their absolute exclusion in ''Ultimate'', by showing some of Palutena's specials have been "streamlined", such as her default Down Special and her default Side Special being combined into a reflect/counter hybrid, and the possible note of Miis being playable online. And Equipment doesn't even get a passing mention.[[/labelnote]]
** As mentioned above, Smash Tour is not a popular mode with the fanbase in spite of its prominence on the console version's menu, and is seen as being vastly inferior to Smash Run.
* VindicatedByHistory: To some extent, the Mii Fighter costumes representing fan-requested characters that didn't make it into this iteration are being seen less as an unintentionally-insulting ConsolationPrize and more an acknowledgement that certain characters matter as much to the developers as the fans. While plenty of people were annoyed that King K. Rool had been reduced to a character's outfit after being absent from the ''Donkey Kong'' series for so long, the revelation that Sakurai was using the ballot [[PanderingToTheBase to gauge what audiences wanted for]] ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' -- which was in early development at the time the last bits of DLC for this game was being released -- has led fans to retroactively appreciate the nods to characters who wouldn't fit into this version of the game. Among the characters who were PromotedToPlayable from a Mii Fighter costume in the sequel are the Inklings, Chrom, King K. Rool, and Isabelle.

* VindicatedByHistory: To some extent, the Mii Fighter costumes representing fan-requested characters that didn't make it into this iteration are being seen less as an unintentionally-insulting ConsolationPrize and more an acknowledgement that certain characters matter as much to the developers as the fans. While plenty of people were annoyed that King K. Rool had been reduced to a character's outfit after being absent from the ''Donkey Kong'' series for so long, the revelation that Sakurai was using the ballot [[PanderingToTheBase to gauge what audiences wanted for]] ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate'' -- which was in early development at the time the last bits of DLC for this game was being released -- has led fans to retroactively appreciate the nods to characters who wouldn't fit into this version of the game. Among the characters who were PromotedToPlayable from a Mii Fighter costume in these game's sequels are the Inklings, Chrom, King K. Rool, and Isabelle.

* UnderusedGameMechanic: The Mii Fighters. It is at its core a great idea, offering the possibility to create your own smasher, but in the game itself it is very difficult to really make the character you want as its characteristics and even cosmetic elements are unlocked via very frustrating {{Random Drop}}s. To add to this, the Mii Fighters aren't even available to play online in "With Anyone" mode, needlessly limiting their interest for hardcore players. Similarly, the Custom Moves are also given at random, could obtain duplicates, and are not available online with anyone either, though Mii characters and Palutena (who have radically different specials) have all of them available at the start. The [[DownloadableContent DLC]] characters don't even have Custom Moves, which make one question if Nintendo itself completely dropped the idea. As for Equipment, while the idea sounds good on paper (customization of your characters stats and give them new abilities), it is a total GameBreaker in practice, and is mainly used to cheese through Crazy Orders in order to unlock the tediously-obtainable aforementioned Custom Moves. [[labelnote:*]]In fact, the Direct implies their absolute exclusion in ''Ultimate'', by showing some of Palutena's specials have been "streamlined", such as her default Down Special and her default Side Special being combined into a reflect/counter hybrid, and the possible note of Miis being playable online. And Equipment doesn't even get a passing mention.[[/labelnote]]

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** The [[VideoGame/AnimalCrossing Villager]] being a cold-blooded sociopath based on his [[DissonantSerenity dissonantly serene]] expression in the trailer went [[MemeticMutation memetic]] literally within minutes of the announcement.
* AmericansHateTingle: Part of the reason why Corrin was picked as the only 1st-party DLC newcomer. At the time Sakurai and his team wanted a promotional character for a future game. The reason why someone like the [[VideoGame/{{Splatoon}} Inklings]] weren't picked were because they were ''too'' popular and didn't need the promotion whereas Fire Emblem was in that sweet spot in America where it had a considerable fanbase but weren't as successful as other franchises.

** "For Glory" mode has no skill-based matchmaking of any sort. You're just thrown into a game with anybody, so you could go from playing against someone who knows the frames of every move to someone who just spams down smash and hopes for the best. If you prefer to play the itemless mode, you're stuck with whatever the game spits out.

* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: It was in this pair of games where the backlash regarding Ganondorf's portrayal started to come to a head. His status as MovesetClone of Captain Falcon was tolerated in ''Melee'' since Ganondorf in his human form had only appeared in ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' and he was a last-minute inclusion. It was also fairly tolerated in ''Brawl'' where most fans understood that it wouldn't be a good idea to alienate fans of ''Melee'' even though requests for his moveset to be revamped were building. But come ''for [=3DS=] and Wii U'', fans who wanted a TruerToTheText portrayal of Ganondorf started to become much more vocal since some characters had moves altered to better reflect their games (Bowser and Pit being standout examples) and other characters debuted with detailed references to their respective games (such as Villager, Wii Fit Trainer, and Mega Man). Meanwhile Ganondorf only got a few animation changes, but largely looked and played the same as in ''Brawl''. Due to this backlash, the succeeding ''Ultimate'' finally gave him the use of his sword in his Smash attacks.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Rosalina, Samus, Pac-Man, Mewtwo, and Cloud have all been depicted in controversial ways some time after their debut (Rosalina due to her [[TheOtherDarrin third voice actress making her sound more like Peach]], Samus due to her drastic personality changes in ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'', Pac-Man due to the polarizing ''WesternAnimation/PacManAndTheGhostlyAdventures'', Mewtwo due to the [[Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie original character]] being apparently [[ReplacementScrappy replaced]] and {{retcon}}ned in ''Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened'', and Cloud being [[{{Flanderization}} depicted]] as a {{wangst}}y, overly mopey EmoTeen stereotype). ''[=SSB4=]'' depicts all five characters akin to their early appearances (Rosalina has her second voice actress, Samus has her old voice clips and personality across her two forms[[note]]although she still mostly uses her ''Other M'' designs, so this particular case is only half-way [[BrokenBase for some people]][[/note]], Pac-Man has his original design and [[CompositeCharacter represents retro Namco games in general,]] Mewtwo is based on ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' like in ''Melee'', albeit with [[TheOtherDarrin a new voice actor]], and Cloud is headstrong and dwells on his InferioritySuperiorityComplex just like during the early game of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'').

** One concept that picked up a lot of steam was the potential inclusion of indie game characters such as VideoGame/ShovelKnight, due to the Wii U's strong support for indie games, the creators' willingness to have their characters included in ''Smash'' (a very high honor), and the "Smashified" fan art series' strong indie character presence. In the end, this turned out to be for naught, and no indie character has been added to ''Smash'' yet.

* NeverLiveItDown: Diddy Kong will always be remembered for his "Hoo-Hah" and being an [[GameBreaker utterly broken]] invincible character, due to the massive amounts of bile that he raised before his nerfs in version 1.0.6. It doesn't matter that Diddy still wins almost every major tournament thanks to - and only thanks to - his best player [=ZeRo=], which to many people is a painful reminder of the 1.0.4 days.

** Master Fortress counts, since it adds another layer to the awesomeness (through it is a ''Wii U''-only form).

** [[VideoGame/StarFoxAssault Orbital Gate Assault]] is pure eye candy. The scenery is beautiful, complete with Arwings flying through space, and there's always something happening. Heck, it took Sakurai's team a year to finish the level. That should tell you something about how great it is. Visually at least... unfortunately, gameplay wise it has a decidedly... [[ScrappyLevel less positive reputation]] due to the erratically shifting platforms.

* AwesomeArt:

** The question of [[Franchise/{{Metroid}} Ridley's]] inclusion in the games is one that's always been hotly debated, but after some showcased footage of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb35vh33Mb8&t=59s Ridley's shadow]] on the [[VideoGame/MetroidOtherM Pyrosphere]] stage of ''Wii U'' with the caption of "Other boss character appearances", the fans got riled up. One side believed that with careful analysis of the shadow, one can notice that Ridley seemed to act more like a player character than a boss due to his animations (him grabbing Pikachu and doing nothing is commonly brought up) and that the shadow made him seem larger than he actually was (he would theoretically be only slightly bigger than Bowser in reality). The other side pointed out that nobody actually knew how the bosses of the game would function, as only the [[VideoGame/MegaManClassic Yellow Devil]] had been revealed until then. While Ridley is absent from the initial 3DS roster, fans have noticed his suspicious absence from being included as a trophy, and look toward certain rumors as evidence that he would be patched in when the Wii U version was released or ending up as a DLC character. It was ultimately revealed that the cloned ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' Ridley for the Pyrosphere stage would be both a boss and an assist character, similar to Magicant's Flying Man [[note]]although some still insist that there's a chance that the original ''VideoGame/SuperMetroid'' Ridley could be DLC despite the fact that the ''Wii U'' Ridley is a CompositeCharacter of ''Other M'' Ridley and ''Prime'' Meta Ridley[[/note]]. Sakurai eventually revealed in an interview that making Ridley a playable fighter would require various adjustments, but that the end result would not feel like Ridley at all. Naturally, fans are split over Sakurai's reasoning/decision. Thankfully, Ridley got his chance to shine one game later.

** The fact that [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwzd36mWN-I he had a few of these]] is one of the reasons why Yoshi is considered top tier in 3DS. They were patched out, though.
** Wario's air control in the 3DS version can, in certain cases, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVeoovpeBk allow him to fly]]. [[EpicFail Usually, his flight takes him right to the blast line.]]

** In the Wii U version, should a timed match including Wario as the player character on a team with someone else end as Wario's Final Smash is timing out, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FE9PIGACIo he'll be able to move around in the victory screen]]. (Though there's only so much you can do there, this also works with other transformation Finals.)

** Wii U modding has begun. This is and of itself isn't the HSQ, but when one Smash 4 modder, sort of, gave [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sve8gXoh3Q Falco his melee moveset back.]] That's how ''VideoGame/ProjectM'' got started.

** Yoshi's became one because of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrMIMCI29eA&feature=youtu.be&t=3m42s this victory animation]] which brings [[VideoGame/StreetFighter Akuma]] to mind. It's OlderThanTheyThink though, as he's had that victory animation ever since ''64''.

** Little Mac has also been getting this treatment due to the major HypeBacklash he got when it was discovered he wasn't a GameBreaker but instead a [[CripplingOverspecialization very lopsided]] and easy-to-handle SkillGateCharacter. The revelation from Sakurai that [[http://kotaku.com/little-mac-is-smash-bros-biggest-loser-1658263617 Little Mac wins far less than he loses online]] doesn't help much, nor are the many YouTube videos [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS1sJHN6E2Q making fun of his poor recovery]] or the fact that it's dangerously easy for him to dive off of ledges with his side special. Also, Mac just happens to be on the receiving end of [[Franchise/StreetFighter Ryu's]] [[LimitBreak Shin Shoryuken]] in the latter's Final Smash trophy, so it's possible Nintendo has caught on to this one.

** The mechanic known by fans as Rage; in Smash 4, as a character's damage rises, all their attacks start dealing gradually increasing knockback, capping at 150% damage where the attacks will have about a 15% knockback bonus. The simple effect is that characters can KO at lower damages the higher their own damage is. For why it's disliked by so many players varies; some deride it simply because they claim it's a "comeback mechanic" that "rewards" a player for "losing", while some others claim it unfairly rewards the ''winning player'' by giving the player who gets the first KO an advantage (as the player who [=KOs=] first will be damaged and thus have rage boosting their knockback, while the other player will be fresh and thus have to build their rage again). Then you have players who don't like it because it can make combos harder to pull off (or easier in certain cases), players who don't like the "jank" early [=KOs=] that can happen when the rage effect is applied to a move with especially high base knockback near a blastline (this is especially notorious with some multi-hitting recovery moves, where they tend to have initial hits that deal obscene set knockback to launch the opponent into the followup hits, which can then potentially KO at ridiculously early damages when they get boosted by rage and miss the followup hits, as seen in this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faXnOd-RC7s infamous video]]), and players who don't like it because it detracts from Lucario's signature gimmick.

** Super Smash Bros Wii U's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTjpzdcecD8 final Co-Op Event]] makes Brawl's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3bSB7KG5qw final Co-Op event]] look like a joke. Both events are a BossRush which involves fighting every single character … the Wii U version has about 50 or so characters as compared to Brawl's 35 … and there are no items to help you out like the Brawl version. Remember those free [=KOs=] you got on that Final Smash? Well, this time it's based on skill and skill only. Little Mac and Lucario are two characters you should really take caution of, as Little Mac can sneak in a [=OHKO=] Punch on you while Lucario is more powerful when he accumulates a lot of damage. Not helping is the fact that a large number of fighters have fast counters that can easily blindside you when you least expect it, though Lucario's at least has the disadvantage of being relatively weak when he's at a low damage percentage. The Normal difficulty is tolerable, but the Hard difficulty is one of the hardest in the game. Thankfully, it is not mandatory for Challenges.
** Any properly built level 50 amiibo can become an absolute nightmare. A PerfectPlayAI that is simply faster, stronger, ''and'' more resilient than any player character, possibly combined with brutal special abilities like regeneration. [[WebVideo/{{Vinesauce}} Vinesauce Vinny's]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opPKgY43Zwk experiences]] with his Link amiibo puts things into perspective.

*** "Aura Mastery" is one of the hardest events in the game, as it relies heavily on LuckBasedMission. In the mission, you take on Wii Fit Trainer and Sheik with Lucario alone. Doesn't seem like a big deal, right? Here's the kicker: You start the level at '''''200% damage''''', which means even the Wii Fit Trainer's volleyballs can blast you away. Additionally, Wii Fit Trainer and Sheik are '''[[{{Invisibility}} invisible]]''', which means you have to fight two foes at once, at a percent you can easily be KO'd from, and you ''can't even see them''. While the event gives you two stocks, they get two as well. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re8XwLYmEfg See for yourself what an ordeal this is.]] You have to either be a ledge camping master or pray that the Smash Gods are kind to you provide you with items to improve your odds like the Metal Cap, Lanayru Beetle, or Home Run Bat to have any chance of winning this.

* FandomBerserkButton: Calling ''3DS/Wii U'' "''Brawl'' 2.0" is a quick way for people to be angrily swarmed by fans due to generally being used by people [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch who have only watched the gameplay]] and not actually played it, in addition to being an insult trying to prevent the games from being respected in the competitive scene.

** Clubberskulls, like in their [[VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising home game]], manage to be the toughest enemy in a game where every enemy is either a {{Goddamned Bat|s}} or a {{Demonic Spider|s}}. Not only do they have a truckload of HP, they hit like one too; Clubberskull's method of ''walking'' alone can juggle you and smash your percentages up from zero into the high 100's. This is ignoring their other attacks, which all have massive range, power, and are designed to launch you as far as possible. The only mercy is that they're rare and you actually have to free them to fight them, but good luck beating one if you do. This is taking away that a stray bullet from an enemy might free them by accident anyways.

** IGN giving the Nintendo 3DS version an 8.8 caused some anger, especially since one of the negative points was the hyped-up Smash Run mode.
** [=GamesRadar=] got flack for giving the 3DS version 3 out of 5 stars, as their main complaints were about the online mode, which no other reviewer has had much issue with aside from occasional lag, and Solo Mode, also something no one's really griped about.

** Bowser's AnthropomorphicShift changing his monstrous, {{Kaiju}}-inspired PrimalStance into a stance more befitting a semi-agile [[WrestlerInAllOfUs wrestler]] made quite a bit of fans unhappy. Even though the latter portrayal is TruerToTheText in terms of canon, many fans preferred his older portrayal for making him much more of a menacing tank.

** Ganondorf games has this problem in close ups. When the victory camera zooms in on his face, he looks ''very'' bug-eyed.