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Not a YMMV trope.
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* GreaterScopeVillain: We don't actually see this "giant creature with a gaping mouth" that Nancy saw, but from the description, it seems to be the leader of this invasion, something we haven't seen before. Whether it's also under Vecna's control or if this thing has been using Vecna for its own ends remains to be seen.
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* GreaterScopeVillain: We don't actually see this "giant creature with a gaping mouth" that Nancy saw, but from the description, it seems to be the leader of this invasion, something we haven't seen before. Whether it's also under Vecna's control or if this thing has been using Vecna for his own ends remains to be seen.
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* GreaterScopeVillain: We don't actually see this "giant creature with a gaping mouth" that Nancy saw, but from the description, it seems to be the leader of this invasion, something we haven't seen before. Whether it's also under Vecna's control or if this thing has been using Vecna for his its own ends remains to be seen.
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* GreaterScopeVillain: We don't actually see this "giant creature with a gaping mouth" that Nancy saw, but from the description, it seems to be the leader of this invasion, something we haven't seen before. Whether it's also under Vecna's control or if this thing has been using Vecna for his own ends remains to be seen.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good. Although Eleven’s reaction to his death — remaining silent while Brenner explained himself then walking away, leaving him to DieAlone, implies that Brenner wasn’t meant to be redeemed or forgiven.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good. Although Eleven’s reaction to his death — remaining silent while Brenner explained himself then walking away, leaving him to DieAlone, [[DyingAlone die alone]], implies that Brenner wasn’t meant to be redeemed or forgiven.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good. Although Eleven’s reaction to his death — remaining silent while Brenner explained himself then walking away, leaving him to DieAlone, implies that Brenner wasn’t meant to be redeemed or forgiven.
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Will caring for both El and Mike was never in question. His remarks in episode 3 were not insensitive jabs, he was calling out El for shamelessly lying to Mike's face multiple times.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After his insensitive comments about El to Mike in Season 3, and his passive-aggressive games with El in episode 2 of this season, here, in his heart-to-heart with Mike and reunion with El, we see that Will actually cares about Mike and in particular, El.
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Ted is not generally considered a Scrappy character and it's highly unlikely for his name's omission to be any kind of intentional jab at his expense considering the context.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed... but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Brenner takes Eleven through the escape hatch and tries to carry her away through the desert, surrounded by corpses, is shot and being fired upon by a helicopter. Whatever you think of the character, he absolutely WILL NOT yield.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed... but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Brenner takes Eleven through the escape hatch and tries to carry her away through the desert, surrounded by corpses and being fired upon by a helicopter. Whatever you think of the character, he absolutely WILL NOT yield.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Brenner takes Eleven through the escape hatch and tries to carry her away through the desert, surrounded by corpses corpses, is shot and being fired upon by a helicopter. Whatever you think of the character, he absolutely WILL NOT yield.
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* DefiantToTheEnd: Brenner takes Eleven through the escape hatch and tries to carry her away through the desert, surrounded by corpses and being fired upon by a helicopter. Whatever you think of the character, he absolutely WILL NOT yield.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Eleven seems to take a long time to knock down the helicopter. Is she unsure/unskilled how to do it, or is she toying with it because it just shot Papa?
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good.good.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.father.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The episode's attempt to garner sympathy for Brenner while he's dying falls flat when earlier in that same episode he threatened to murder Owens to force El to comply with his wishes, and then drugged and collared her, then spent his dying breath trying to emotionally manipulate El into agreeing that the lifetime of abuse he inflicted on her was all for her own good.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention Ted.
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* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention Ted.her father Ted, who is widely disliked for being an emotionally absent husband and neglectful father.
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* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud of her he is.
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* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud of her he is.is.
* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention Ted.
* TakeThatScrappy: A somewhat understated one; when Nancy recounts her encounter with Vecna in the Upside-Down, she's particularly horrified by him showing her visions of her family being killed...but only mentions seeing her mother and siblings, quietly but conspicuously neglecting to mention Ted.
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* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud she is.
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* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud she of her he is.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After his insensitive comments about El to Mike in Season 3, and his passive-aggressive games with El in episode 2 of this season, here, in his heart-to-heart with Mike and reunion with El, we see that Will actually cares about Mike and in particular, El.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After his insensitive comments about El to Mike in Season 3, and his passive-aggressive games with El in episode 2 of this season, here, in his heart-to-heart with Mike and reunion with El, we see that Will actually cares about Mike and in particular, El.El.
* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud she is.
* JerkassWoobie: ''Brenner'' of all people get this in the episode: It's basically laid out by Eleven to him that he was so obsessed with wanting to atone for messing up with Henry that he tried to do the same with Eleven, even if it meant emotionally abusing and controlling her. It was even pointed out that his desire to open the Gate was so he could find Henry too. When he's shot down and left dying, Brenner earnestly tells El how much he truly did care for her and even lays down how proud she is.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: After his insensitive comments about El to Mike in Season 3, and his passive-aggressive games with El in episode 2 of this season, here, in his heart-to-heart with Mike and reunion with El, we see that Will actually cares about Mike and in particular, El.
