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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kirk having a quietly ongoing breakdown about the {{red shirt}}s dying and the Enterprise failing (at one point he looks like he's going to pass out) is commonly considered to have deserved a better episode to be in.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kirk having a quietly ongoing breakdown about the {{red shirt}}s dying and the Enterprise ''Enterprise'' failing (at one point he looks like he's going to pass out) is commonly considered to have deserved a better episode to be in.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Kirk having a quietly ongoing breakdown about the {{red shirt}}s dying and the Enterprise failing (at one point he looks like he's going to pass out) is commonly considered to have deserved a better episode to be in.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: When Spock complains about [=McCoy=]'s medicines turning his stomach, the doctor answers that if he were human, he wouldn't have an upset stomach. This could be taken as a dig at his biology. However, given that they just saw a RedShirt killed in seconds by the same thorns that got Spock, it could also be "If you'd been like most of us, you'd have suffered far worse effects than nausea."
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The role of Makora is one of the first acting roles for future ''Series/StarskyAndHutch'' star David Soul.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The role of Makora is one of the first acting roles for future ''Series/StarskyAndHutch'' star David Soul.Creator/DavidSoul.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Kirk's decision to, without the knowledge or consent of the locals who actually have to ''live'' with the consequences, destroy the supercomputer that's regulating the planet is presented as a ''good'' thing, insofar as it supposedly saves their civilization from stagnation. The only person to debate this choice is Spock, and despite being treated as wrong in-universe his arguments actually come across as quite reasonable: there's no death, disease, or war on this planet, the locals are all healthy and content, literally the only thing the supercomputer asks of them is an occasional offering from the harvest to use as fuel, and the native populations ''do'' have the right to choose a system that works for them regardless of how unappealing it is to a human mentality. He's not wrong that Kirk and [=McCoy=]'s determination to "save" the planet is based more on an emotional knee-jerk reaction than on any logical line of reasoning. In the end, the conclusion of this episode looks less like Kirk saving a group of hapless victims from the clutches of a tyrannical machine, and more like Kirk messing up a perfectly functional civilization and not even sticking around to deal with the fallout.
* StrawmanHasAPoint: Kirk's decision to, without the knowledge or consent of the locals who actually have to ''live'' with the consequences, destroy the supercomputer that's regulating the planet is presented as a ''good'' thing, insofar as it supposedly saves their civilization from stagnation. The only person to debate this choice is Spock, and despite being treated as wrong in-universe his arguments actually come across as quite reasonable: there's no death, disease, or war on this planet, the locals are all healthy and content, literally the only thing the supercomputer asks of them is an occasional offering from the harvest to use as fuel, and the native populations ''do'' have the right to choose a system that works for them regardless of how unappealing it is to a human mentality. He's not wrong that Kirk and [=McCoy=]'s determination to "save" the planet is based more on an emotional knee-jerk reaction than on any logical line of reasoning. In the end, the conclusion of this episode looks less like Kirk saving a group of hapless victims from the clutches of a tyrannical machine, and more like Kirk messing up a perfectly functional civilization and not even sticking around to deal with the fallout.
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* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an expy for Vietnam.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: The role of Makora is one of the first acting roles for future ''Series/StarskyAndHutch'' star David Soul.
* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an expy forVietnam.Vietnam.
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* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy Expy]] for Vietnam.
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* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy Expy]] expy for Vietnam.
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* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy]] for Vietnam.
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* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy]] [[Expy Expy]] for Vietnam.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Kirk only barely hints at the Federation helping the former people of Vaal, and is more concerned with having them learn to build a society themselves. After ''killing their god,'' you'd think that Kirk would be more concerned with helping these people transition, but nope, he just gets back on the ship to go make fun of Spock, leaving these people to more or less start from scratch, without their provider, and surrounded by the EverythingTryingToKillYou forest. Boy, Kirk must've ''really'' wanted to get away from that planet.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Kirk only barely hints at the Federation helping the former people of Vaal, and is more concerned with having them learn to build a society themselves. After ''killing their god,'' you'd think that Kirk would be more concerned with helping these people transition, but nope, he just gets back on the ship to go make fun of Spock, leaving these people to more or less start from scratch, without their provider, and surrounded by the EverythingTryingToKillYou forest. Boy, Kirk must've ''really'' wanted to get away from that planet.planet.
* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy]] for Vietnam.
* ValuesDissonance: This episode is much harder to watch in the post-colonial 21st century, especially considering how well-known it is that 19th and 20th century American and European colonization led to much of the instability that still plagues modern-day Africa, the Middle East, and southern and southeastern Asia. It also doesn't help that the tropical planet they're on looks like an [[Expy]] for Vietnam.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Kirk only barely hints at the Federation helping the former people of Vaal make a new life for themselves, and is more concerned with having them learn to build a society themselves. After ''killing their god,'' you'd think that Kirk would be more concerned with helping these people transition, but nope, he just gets back on the ship to go make fun of Spock, leaving these people to more or less start from scratch, without their provider, and surrounded by the EverythingTryingToKillYou forest. Boy, Kirk must've ''really'' wanted to get away from that planet.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Kirk only barely hints at the Federation helping the former people of Vaal make a new life for themselves, Vaal, and is more concerned with having them learn to build a society themselves. After ''killing their god,'' you'd think that Kirk would be more concerned with helping these people transition, but nope, he just gets back on the ship to go make fun of Spock, leaving these people to more or less start from scratch, without their provider, and surrounded by the EverythingTryingToKillYou forest. Boy, Kirk must've ''really'' wanted to get away from that planet.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Kirk only barely hints at the Federation helping the former people of Vaal make a new life for themselves, and is more concerned with having them learn to build a society themselves. After ''killing their god,'' you'd think that Kirk would be more concerned with helping these people transition, but nope, he just gets back on the ship to go make fun of Spock, leaving these people to more or less start from scratch, without their provider, and surrounded by the EverythingTryingToKillYou forest. Boy, Kirk must've ''really'' wanted to get away from that planet.
