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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The green hand aside, the effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing.
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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, and hell, he ''rapes'' Lt. Palamas after she stands up to him, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.

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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, and hell, he ''rapes'' Lt. Palamas after she stands up to him, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: Even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.



* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing. However, even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.

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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing. However, even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.

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* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's present in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently? (Particularly jarring given that [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror just last season,]] Kirk presided over a wedding between two members of the crew who clearly had no intention of retiring just yet.)
** Creator/GeneRoddenberry frequently (and not consistently) used the idea, left over from UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, that heterosexual women only joined the military to find the right man; once they do, they would marry and resign from the service.

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* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's present in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently? (Particularly jarring given that [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror just last season,]] Kirk presided over a wedding between two members of the crew who clearly had no intention of retiring just yet.)
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) Creator/GeneRoddenberry frequently (and not consistently) used the idea, left over from UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, that heterosexual women only joined the military to find the right man; once they do, they would marry and resign from the service.
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** The top of Carolyn's backless gown was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it. (At the time, we were told that the top was held in place by the weight of the cape in back. Bill Theiss had many good stories like this.)

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** The top of Carolyn's backless gown was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it. As a result, actress Leslie Parrish refused to wear the outfit during rehearsals, even the dress rehearsal. (At the time, we were told that the top was held in place by the weight of the cape in back. Bill Theiss had many good stories like this.)
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* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's also played oddly straight in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently? (Particularly jarring given that [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror just last season,]] Kirk presided over a wedding between two members of the crew who clearly had no intention of retiring just yet.)

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* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's also played oddly straight present in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently? (Particularly jarring given that [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror just last season,]] Kirk presided over a wedding between two members of the crew who clearly had no intention of retiring just yet.)

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** Though she did so reluctantly, Carolyn gets in several rather good jabs on Apollo near the end of the episode.
--->'''Carolyn:''' I'm a scientist. My particular specialty is ancient civilizations, relics, and myths. Surely you know I've only been studying you.
--->'''Apollo:''' I don't believe it. You love me.
--->'''Carolyn:''' Love you? Be logical. I'm not some simple shepherdess you can awe. Why, I could no more love you than I could love a new species of bacteria.
--->'''Apollo:''' Carolyn! I forbid you to go. I order you to stay!
--->'''Carolyn:''' Is that the secret of your power over women, the thunderbolts you throw?
* TearJerker: Apollo's heartbroken FinalSpeech at the end, after being [[RefusingParadise rejected by the crew]] and having his temple destroyed. Even Kirk looks somewhat apologetic having to be blunt with him.
-->'''Apollo:''' [[IJustWantToBeLoved I would have cherished you, cared for you. I would have loved you as a father loves his children. Did I ask so much?]]
-->'''Kirk:''' [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions We've outgrown you. You asked for something we can no longer give.]]
** Not to mention, Kirk's final speech in response to [=McCoy=].
-->'''Kirk''': They gave us so much--the Greek civilization, much of our culture and philosophy came from the worship of those beings. In a way, they began the Golden Age. Would it have hurt us, I wonder, just to have gathered a few laurel leaves?



** Roddenberry frequently (and not consistently) used the idea, left over from WWII, that heterosexual women only joined the military to find the right man; once they do, they would marry and resign from the service.

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** Roddenberry Creator/GeneRoddenberry frequently (and not consistently) used the idea, left over from WWII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, that heterosexual women only joined the military to find the right man; once they do, they would marry and resign from the service.



* WTHCostumingDepartment: Apollo's flimsy little Roman outfit does come off a bit cheesy, and even Apollo's actor, Michael Forest, joked about it on set.

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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Apollo's flimsy little Roman outfit does come off a bit cheesy, and even Apollo's actor, Michael Forest, joked about it on set.set.
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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.

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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, and hell, he ''rapes'' Lt. Palamas after she stands up to him, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.
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** Not to mention, Kirk's final speech in response to [=McCoy=].
-->'''Kirk''': They gave us so much--the Greek civilization, much of our culture and philosophy came from the worship of those beings. In a way, they began the Golden Age. Would it have hurt us, I wonder, just to have gathered a few laurel leaves?
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing. However, even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing. However, even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.

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* AwesomeMoment:

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* AwesomeMoment: JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.
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-->'''Carolyn:''' I'm a scientist. My particular specialty is ancient civilizations, relics, and myths. Surely you know I've only been studying you.
-->'''Apollo:''' I don't believe it. You love me.
-->'''Carolyn:''' Love you? Be logical. I'm not some simple shepherdess you can awe. Why, I could no more love you than I could love a new species of bacteria.
-->'''Apollo:''' Carolyn! I forbid you to go. I order you to stay!
-->'''Carolyn:''' Is that the secret of your power over women, the thunderbolts you throw?
* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.

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-->'''Carolyn:''' --->'''Carolyn:''' I'm a scientist. My particular specialty is ancient civilizations, relics, and myths. Surely you know I've only been studying you.
-->'''Apollo:''' --->'''Apollo:''' I don't believe it. You love me.
-->'''Carolyn:''' --->'''Carolyn:''' Love you? Be logical. I'm not some simple shepherdess you can awe. Why, I could no more love you than I could love a new species of bacteria.
-->'''Apollo:''' --->'''Apollo:''' Carolyn! I forbid you to go. I order you to stay!
-->'''Carolyn:''' --->'''Carolyn:''' Is that the secret of your power over women, the thunderbolts you throw?
* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.
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** The top of Carolyn's toga was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it.

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** The top of Carolyn's toga backless gown was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it.it. (At the time, we were told that the top was held in place by the weight of the cape in back. Bill Theiss had many good stories like this.)
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** Roddenberry frequently (and not consistently) used the idea, left over from WWII, that heterosexual women only joined the military to find the right man; once they do, they would marry and resign from the service.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The effects are pretty good even before the digital remastering. Subtle but effective: swaying trees and bird song make the studio set look like it really is outside. We really do believe from the arranged shots that Apollo is growing. However, even modern SFX can't keep a giant green hand in space from looking a little silly.
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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo.

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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo. Sure, he's a dick to the ''Enterprise'' crew after they won't worship him like the old days of Greek gods, but by the end, we see what a sad, lonely being Apollo really is, as he faces his defeat with a hefty dose of ManlyTears.

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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic exposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh. The top of Carolyn's toga was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it.

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* TheissTitillationTheory: TheissTitillationTheory:
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Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic exposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh. mid-thigh.
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The top of Carolyn's toga was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it.
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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic exposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh.

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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic exposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh. The top of Carolyn's toga was held in place with long strips of double-sided tape, which, when removed after filming, took a couple layers of the actress's skin along with it.
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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic eposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh.

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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic eposing exposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh.
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** Though she did so reluctantly, Carolyn gets in several rather good jabs in on Apollo near the end of the episode.

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** Though she did so reluctantly, Carolyn gets in several rather good jabs in on Apollo near the end of the episode.
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* AwesomeMoment:
** Though she did so reluctantly, Carolyn gets in several rather good jabs in on Apollo near the end of the episode.
-->'''Carolyn:''' I'm a scientist. My particular specialty is ancient civilizations, relics, and myths. Surely you know I've only been studying you.
-->'''Apollo:''' I don't believe it. You love me.
-->'''Carolyn:''' Love you? Be logical. I'm not some simple shepherdess you can awe. Why, I could no more love you than I could love a new species of bacteria.
-->'''Apollo:''' Carolyn! I forbid you to go. I order you to stay!
-->'''Carolyn:''' Is that the secret of your power over women, the thunderbolts you throw?
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* TheissTitillationTheory: Gender-swapped with Apollo's outfit, which is a tunic eposing part of his chest and ends mid-thigh.
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* TearJerker: Apollo's heartbroken FinalSpeech at the end, after being rejected by the crew and having his temple destroyed. It obviously pains Kirk to have to be blunt with him.

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* TearJerker: Apollo's heartbroken FinalSpeech at the end, after being [[RefusingParadise rejected by the crew crew]] and having his temple destroyed. It obviously pains Even Kirk to have looks somewhat apologetic having to be blunt with him.



-->'''Kirk:''' [{{Beat}}] [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions We've outgrown you. You asked for something we can no longer give.]]
* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's also played oddly straight in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently?

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-->'''Kirk:''' [{{Beat}}] [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions We've outgrown you. You asked for something we can no longer give.]]
* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's also played oddly straight in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently?apparently? (Particularly jarring given that [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror just last season,]] Kirk presided over a wedding between two members of the crew who clearly had no intention of retiring just yet.)
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* JerkassWoobie: Apollo.
* TearJerker: Apollo's heartbroken FinalSpeech at the end, after being rejected by the crew and having his temple destroyed. It obviously pains Kirk to have to be blunt with him.
-->'''Apollo:''' [[IJustWantToBeLoved I would have cherished you, cared for you. I would have loved you as a father loves his children. Did I ask so much?]]
-->'''Kirk:''' [{{Beat}}] [[OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions We've outgrown you. You asked for something we can no longer give.]]
* ValuesDissonance: While this is done [[DeliberateValuesDissonance deliberately]] at one point, it's also played oddly straight in an early scene of the episode, where Bones hypothesizes that once Carolyn finds a man, she'll probably give up her career in Starfleet. Because... she can't do both, apparently?
* WTHCostumingDepartment: Apollo's flimsy little Roman outfit does come off a bit cheesy, and even Apollo's actor, Michael Forest, joked about it on set.

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