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** Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.

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** Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] [=McCoy=], Scotty, and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.
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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test shown in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''. They even both take place in the Gamma Hydra sector!

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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test shown in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''. They even both take place in the Gamma Hydra sector!sector! (It should be noted that this was probably a deliberate reference in the later film -- early drafts of the script had Dr. Janet Wallace appearing instead of the new character of Dr. Carol Marcus.)
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* WhatAnIdiot: Kirk, Spock, [=McCoy=], and Scotty are stricken by radiation-induced aging that also kills a female RedShirt. Kirk's failing mental faculties lead to him being relieved of command by the visiting Commodore Stocker, thus leaving him as the highest-ranking officer on the ''Enterprise''. However, despite his rank, he has never commanded a starship.\\
'''You'd Expect''': That Stocker would defer to Lieutenant Sulu, who is the highest-ranking bridge officer still fit for duty and who has actual command experience under his belt.\\
'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]] When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\
'''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\
'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing him to retake command and save the day.
** The beginning of the show, in which the three highest-ranking officers all beam down to the planet together. We're used to seeing the #1 and #2 officers go together, but taking Scotty with them really takes the cake because if something goes wrong on the planet, as something indeed did, the three highest-ranking officers are all simultaneously incapacitated.
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'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing hto retake command and save the day.

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'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing hto him to retake command and save the day.
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* AccidentalAesop: You need to be young and hot to command an Enterprise. At least this is what Kirk takes as a lesson, at the end hoping to not grow old for a while yet. No wonder he has such a bad time growing old in the movies.
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** The beginning of the show, in which the three highest-ranking officers all beam down to the planet together. We're used to seeing the #1 and #2 officers go together, but taking Scotty with them really takes the cake because if something goes wrong on the planet, as something indeed did, the three highest-ranking officers are all simultaneously incapacitated.

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** The beginning of the show, in which the three highest-ranking officers all beam down to the planet together. We're used to seeing the #1 and #2 officers go together, but taking Scotty with them really takes the cake because if something goes wrong on the planet, as something indeed did, the three highest-ranking officers are all simultaneously incapacitated.incapacitated.
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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test shown in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''.

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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test shown in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''. They even both take place in the Gamma Hydra sector!
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'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing hto retake command and save the day.

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'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing hto retake command and save the day.day.
** The beginning of the show, in which the three highest-ranking officers all beam down to the planet together. We're used to seeing the #1 and #2 officers go together, but taking Scotty with them really takes the cake because if something goes wrong on the planet, as something indeed did, the three highest-ranking officers are all simultaneously incapacitated.
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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test.

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** Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test.test shown in ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan''.
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--->'''[[Creator/JimCarrey Kirk]]:''' Captain's Log. Our five year mission [[CashCowFranchise has become twenty-five]]. We have just left the Romulan galaxy and are approaching...senility.

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--->'''[[Creator/JimCarrey Kirk]]:''' Captain's Log. Log, Stardate errr… hell, I can't remember! Our five year mission [[CashCowFranchise has become now turned into twenty-five]]. We have We...just left the Romulan galaxy and are approaching...senility.
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--->'''[[Creator/JimCarrey Kirk]]:''' Captain's Log. Our five year mission [[CashCowFranchise has become twenty-five]]. We have just left the Romulan galaxy and are approaching...senility.
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** This won't be the last time a [[ShotToTheHeart shot of adrenaline]] is presented as an instant medical cure.

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** This won't be the last time a [[ShotToTheHeart shot of adrenaline]] is presented portrayed as an instant medical cure.
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** This won't be the last time a [[ShotToTheHeart shot of adrenaline]] is presented as an instant medical cure.
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* {{Padding}}: The competence hearing just covers ground that the audience is already familiar with, having [[ShowDontTell seen all the events they're testifying about]].
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: One of the criticisms of this episode is that only the debilitating aspects of growing old are presented; there's no {{Aesop}} of DoNotGoGentle or FaceDeathWithDignity. Neither does Kirk reflect on his past despite having an OldFlame from a failed romance as a main character!
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** Stockers actions of barging into the Neutral Zone to save the lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a race known for not taking prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test.

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** Stockers actions of Stocker barging into the Neutral Zone to save the lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a race known for not taking ProudWarriorRace who don't take prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test.
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** Stockers actions of barging into the Neutral Zone to save the lives only to be attacked by hostile starships from a race known for not taking prisoners is remarkably similar to TheKobayashiMaru test.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.out.
** Not to mention [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVuxvJVdZQc that]] ''Series/InLivingColor'' parody of the crew of the Enterprise in their old age.

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]
. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\
* '''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]
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[[/note]] When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\
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'''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]
'''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\
'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing him to retake command and save the day.

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The Zone[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]
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. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\
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'''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\
'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing him to hto retake command and save the day.
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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.\\[[/note]]

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.\\[[/note]][[/note]]
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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]\\

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]\\\\[[/note]]
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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]][[/note]]\\

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\

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'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\\\[[note]]The absurdity of going through the Romulan Neutral Zone as a shortcut to anything in Federation territory is not even addressed. The neutral zone is laid out as a straight line between Federation and Romulan space, meaning that if you are at the Federation border of the neutral zone, the way back to any Federation holdings would take you in the opposite direction.[[/note]]
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** Clearly the ''Enterprise'' received a shield upgrade once Starfleet had some data on the plasma torpedoes. On the other hand, now the non-warp-capable Romulans are suddenly able to keep up with them?
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* BadassDecay: [[Recap/StarTrekS1E14BalanceOfTerror The first time the Romulans appeared]], one plasma torpedo nearly destroyed the ''Enterprise''. Here, a whole barrage doesn't quite bring down her DeflectorShields.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Compare the older versions of Spock, [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.out.
* WhatAnIdiot: Kirk, Spock, [=McCoy=], and Scotty are stricken by radiation-induced aging that also kills a female RedShirt. Kirk's failing mental faculties lead to him being relieved of command by the visiting Commodore Stocker, thus leaving him as the highest-ranking officer on the ''Enterprise''. However, despite his rank, he has never commanded a starship.\\
'''You'd Expect''': That Stocker would defer to Lieutenant Sulu, who is the highest-ranking bridge officer still fit for duty and who has actual command experience under his belt.\\
'''Instead''': Stocker assumes command himself. The first thing he does, in order to reach Starbase 10 more quickly, is to take a shortcut through the Romulan Neutral Zone. When the ''Enterprise'' is attacked by Romulan birds-of-prey, Stocker freezes up, utterly unable to do anything.\\
'''You'd Then Expect''': For Sulu, Uhura, or friggin' ''anybody'' to step up, relieve Stocker, and take charge. Regulations aside, the ''Enterprise'' is in immediate danger and Stocker has just proven dangerously incompetent and incapable of commanding a ship in battle.\\
'''Instead''': Everyone just sits and waits for Stocker to decide to do ''something''. Which he doesn't. The only reason the ''Enterprise'' survives is that Spock and Nurse Chapel cook up a ''deus ex medicina'' to de-age Kirk, allowing him to retake command and save the day.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Compare the older versions of Spock, McCoy and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Compare the older versions of Spock, McCoy [=McCoy=] and especially Kirk to how they really turned out.
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