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Misuse: the characters explicitly acknowledge that they're unsympathetic.


* CaptainObviousReveal: Both of the movie's main twists fall right into this.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: Both of the movie's main twists fall right into this. this:



** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully framing Strahm and getting him killed]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist ending.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the film is often seen as one of the worst in the series, fans certainly have taken a liking to Brit. While she's underdeveloped, by no means a good person like the other four (see UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below), and is the one responsible for the main game, she's also probably the smartest character across ''the entire franchise''. For instance, she, after surviving the necktie trap, is shown smashing the glass boxes with her shoe and taking the keys, and also immediately has the smarts when it comes to the bathtub trap. In fact, fans continually held out hope that she'd show up in ''VI'' or ''3D''.
** ''Film/Saw3D'' confirms that Mallick survived since he's shown at Bobby's survivor group meeting, so it's implied that she's also still alive, since he was in worse shape than her.

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** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully [[spoiler:successfully framing Strahm and getting him killed]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist ending.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: While the film is often seen as one of the worst in the series, fans certainly have taken a liking to Brit. While she's underdeveloped, by no means a good person like the other four (see UnintentionallyUnsympathetic below), four, and is the one responsible for the main game, she's also probably the smartest character across ''the entire franchise''. For instance, she, after surviving the necktie trap, is shown smashing the glass boxes with her shoe and taking the keys, and also immediately has the smarts when it comes to the bathtub trap. In fact, fans continually held out hope that she'd show up in ''VI'' or ''3D''.
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''3D''. ''Film/Saw3D'' confirms that Mallick survived since he's shown at Bobby's survivor group meeting, so it's implied that she's also still alive, since he was in worse shape than her.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler: Agent Strahm had a lot of fans when he was introduced to the franchise, and was one of the savviest law enforcement members ever introduced, so the set-up of Strahm vs. Hoffman that begins the film led to a disappointing pay-off by the films end. Even more than a decade after the film debuted, there are a number of people that hate the fact he's killed off when he is, and how.]]

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler: Agent [[spoiler:Agent Strahm had a lot of fans when he was introduced to the franchise, and was one of the savviest law enforcement members ever introduced, so the set-up of Strahm vs. Hoffman that begins the film led to a disappointing pay-off by the films end. Even more than a decade after the film debuted, there are a number of people that hate the fact he's killed off when he is, and how.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The "Fatal Five" involved in the main game can be pretty hard to root for, since as the trial itself and the ending to it establishes, they're ''not'' good people. [[spoiler:Brit hired a drug dealer to pay off Mallick with heroin in exchange for burning down an abandoned apartment building, not caring about the eight people still living inside who would die in the blaze; Luba is a corrupt city planner who accepted a bribe from Brit to give her company a permit for the land the building was on after the fire had occurred, and had no compunctions attacking Charles and trying to kill Mallick for the sake of surviving; Ashley is a fire inspector who figured out it was arson, but took a bribe from Brit for her silence; and Charles was a reporter initially looking into the fire but was bribed by Mallick's father to stop digging, and had no problem trying to kill Mallick quoting SocialDarwinism. Even Mallick, who's arguably the most decent of them (being unaware of the building's residents and feeling very much guilty about their deaths), was still a drug addict willing to commit arson for just an ''ounce'' of heroin.]] The only saving grace for Mallick and Brit is that they consider themselves [[IAmAMonster monsters]] for what they've done, and as such [[spoiler:willingly sacrifice their hands to the last trap instead of forcing the other to do it on their own]].
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* MemeticMutation': '''KILLING! IS! DISTASTEFUL!''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]A memorable quote from John in the movie, which he uses to zip Hoffman's mouth when the latter tries to explain to him why he murdered Seth using a mock-up Jigsaw scenario. It's often used by fans to point out, in a humorous manner, his hypocrisy about how he's not a killer despite creating death traps and putting people (some even innocent) in them.[[/labelnote]]
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* FandomRivalry: Opened the same weekend as ''Film/HighSchoolMusical3SeniorYear'' and because of that movie, was the first ''Saw'' sequel to not open at number one.
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* Fandom Rivalry: Opened the same weekend as ''Film/HighSchoolMusical3SeniorYear'' and because of that movie, was the first ''Saw'' sequel to not open at number one.

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* Fandom Rivalry: FandomRivalry: Opened the same weekend as ''Film/HighSchoolMusical3SeniorYear'' and because of that movie, was the first ''Saw'' sequel to not open at number one.
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* Fandom Rivalry: Opened the same weekend as ''Film/HighSchoolMusical3SeniorYear'' and because of that movie, was the first ''Saw'' sequel to not open at number one.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler: Agent Strahm had a lot of fans when he was introduced to the franchise, and was one of the savviest law enforcement members ever introduced, so the set-up of Strahm vs. Hoffman that begins the film led to a disappointing pay-off by the films end. Even more than a decade after the film debuted, there are a number of people that hate the fact he's killed off when he is, and how.]]
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Actor trivia shoehorn.


* HilariousInHindsight: In this movie, Scott Patterson plays an authority figure whom a serial killer is trying to frame. Come ''WesternAnimation/BatmanGothamByGaslight'', Patterson voices TheCommissionerGordon, who happens to be Jack the Ripper; therefore, he really is the killer unlike in this film.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''Saw V'' is widely considered to be one of the weakest entries in the series, with the main criticisms being that too much of its running time is spent in putting Hoffman into the events of past entries, Strahm doesn't really get much accomplished other than running around and stating the obvious, and that most of the five characters in the main game are underdeveloped and hard to root for. Still, fans seem to agree that the actual trap scenes -- especially the opening pendulum trap, the [[spoiler:"5 Pints of Blood"]], and the [[spoiler:Glass Coffin]] -- are some of the most intense in the series, which, along with it being one of the few post-''Film/SawII'' sequels not to fall back on the "person undertakes a series of games in order to save people connected to them" formula, at least puts it ahead of ''Film/Saw3D'' and arguably ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' in most fans' estimations.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''Saw V'' is widely considered to be one of the weakest entries in the series, with the main criticisms being that too much of its running time is spent in putting Hoffman into the events of past entries, Strahm doesn't really get much accomplished other than running around and stating the obvious, and that most of the five characters in the main game are underdeveloped and hard to root for. Still, fans seem to agree that the actual trap scenes -- especially the opening pendulum trap, Pendulum Trap, the [[spoiler:"5 Pints of Blood"]], and the [[spoiler:Glass Coffin]] -- are some of the most intense in the series, which, along with it being one of the few post-''Film/SawII'' sequels not to fall back on the "person undertakes a series of games in order to save people connected to them" formula, at least puts it ahead of ''Film/Saw3D'' and arguably ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' in most fans' estimations.
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** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully framing Strahm and getting him killed]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist.

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** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully framing Strahm and getting him killed]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist.twist ending.
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** Between the video for the first trap being roundly unsubtle ([[spoiler:"Today, five will become one..."]]) and [[spoiler:the chambers in the second trap clearly being large enough to fit more than one person]], most people immediately figured that [[spoiler:the victims]] of the Fatal Five [[spoiler:were meant to work together]].

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** Between the video for the first trap being roundly unsubtle ([[spoiler:"Today, five will become one...one with the common goal of survival."]]) and [[spoiler:the chambers in the second trap clearly being large enough to fit more than one person]], most people immediately figured that [[spoiler:the victims]] of the Fatal Five [[spoiler:were meant to work together]].
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Strahm vs. Hoffman" plotline (other than Erickson arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Strahm vs. Hoffman" plotline (other than Erickson arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer Killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].
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** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully framing Strahm]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist.

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** Hoffman [[spoiler: successfully framing Strahm]] Strahm and getting him killed]] is handled so poorly that it doesn't even come across as a twist.



* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman "Strahm vs. Strahm" Hoffman" plotline (other than Erickson arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].
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''YMMV/SawI'' | ''YMMV/SawII'' | ''YMMV/SawIII'' | ''YMMV/SawIV'' | '''''Saw V''''' | ''YMMV/SawVI'' | ''YMMV/Saw3D'' | ''YMMV/{{Jigsaw}}'' | ''[[YMMV/Spiral2021 Spiral]]'' | ''Film/SawX''-]]]]]''YMMV/SawX''-]]]]]
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''YMMV/SawI'' | ''YMMV/SawII'' | ''YMMV/SawIII'' | ''YMMV/SawIV'' | '''''Saw V''''' | ''YMMV/SawVI'' | ''YMMV/Saw3D'' | ''YMMV/{{Jigsaw}}'' | ''[[YMMV/Spiral2021 Spiral]]''-]]]]]Spiral]]'' | ''Film/SawX''-]]]]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The "Fatal Five" involved in the main game can be pretty hard to root for, since as the trial itself and the ending to it establishes, they're ''not'' good people. [[spoiler:Brit hired a drug dealer to pay off Mallick with heroin in exchange for burning down an abandoned apartment building, not caring about the eight people still living inside who would die in the blaze; Luba is a corrupt city planner who accepted a bribe from Brit to give her company a permit for the land the building was on after the fire had occurred, and had no compunctions attacking Charles and trying to kill Mallick for the sake of surviving; Ashley is a fire inspector who figured out it was arson, but took a bribe from Brit for her silence; and Charles was a reporter initially looking into the fire but was bribed by Mallick's father to stop digging, and had no problem trying to kill Mallick quoting SocialDarwinism. Even Mallick, who's arguably the most decent of them, was unaware of the building's residents and felt very much guilty about their deaths, was still a drug addict willing to commit arson for just an ''ounce'' of heroin.]] The only saving grace for Mallick and Brit is that they consider themselves [[IAmAMonster monsters]] for what they've done, and as such [[spoiler:willingly sacrifice their hands to the last trap instead of forcing the other to do it on their own]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The "Fatal Five" involved in the main game can be pretty hard to root for, since as the trial itself and the ending to it establishes, they're ''not'' good people. [[spoiler:Brit hired a drug dealer to pay off Mallick with heroin in exchange for burning down an abandoned apartment building, not caring about the eight people still living inside who would die in the blaze; Luba is a corrupt city planner who accepted a bribe from Brit to give her company a permit for the land the building was on after the fire had occurred, and had no compunctions attacking Charles and trying to kill Mallick for the sake of surviving; Ashley is a fire inspector who figured out it was arson, but took a bribe from Brit for her silence; and Charles was a reporter initially looking into the fire but was bribed by Mallick's father to stop digging, and had no problem trying to kill Mallick quoting SocialDarwinism. Even Mallick, who's arguably the most decent of them, was them (being unaware of the building's residents and felt feeling very much guilty about their deaths, deaths), was still a drug addict willing to commit arson for just an ''ounce'' of heroin.]] The only saving grace for Mallick and Brit is that they consider themselves [[IAmAMonster monsters]] for what they've done, and as such [[spoiler:willingly sacrifice their hands to the last trap instead of forcing the other to do it on their own]].
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms so as to get through the ordeal can help sweeten [[NauseaFuel a severely cringey]] and [[BodyHorror repulsively violent]] scene for some viewers.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to [[HoldingHands hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms arms]] so as to get through the ordeal can help sweeten [[NauseaFuel a severely cringey]] and [[BodyHorror repulsively violent]] scene for some viewers.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms so as to get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms so as to get through the ordeal can help sweeten [[NauseaFuel a severely cringey cringey]] and [[BodyHorror repulsively violent violent]] scene for some viewers.
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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms and get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.

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* SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms and so as to get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.
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* HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms and get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.

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* HeartwarmingMoments: SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms and get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.
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* HeartwarmingMoments: Mallick and Brit, respectively mutilating their left and right hands to fill up a twisted bloodbank, coming together through the intense agony and shock to hold hands with their remaining unafflicted arms and get through the ordeal can help sweeten a severely cringey and repulsively violent scene for some viewers.
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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''Saw V'' is widely considered to be one of the weakest entries in the series, with the main criticisms being that too much of its running time is spent in putting Hoffman into the events of past entries, Strahm doesn't really get much accomplished other than running around and stating the obvious, and that the five characters in the main game are underdeveloped and hard to root for. Still, fans seem to agree that the actual trap scenes -- especially the opening pendulum trap, the [[spoiler:"5 Pints of Blood"]], and the [[spoiler:Glass Coffin]] -- are some of the most intense in the series, which, along with it being one of the few post-''Film/SawII'' sequels not to fall back on the "person undertakes a series of games in order to save people connected to them" formula, at least puts it ahead of ''Film/Saw3D'' and arguably ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' in most fans' estimations.

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* {{Sequelitis}}: ''Saw V'' is widely considered to be one of the weakest entries in the series, with the main criticisms being that too much of its running time is spent in putting Hoffman into the events of past entries, Strahm doesn't really get much accomplished other than running around and stating the obvious, and that most of the five characters in the main game are underdeveloped and hard to root for. Still, fans seem to agree that the actual trap scenes -- especially the opening pendulum trap, the [[spoiler:"5 Pints of Blood"]], and the [[spoiler:Glass Coffin]] -- are some of the most intense in the series, which, along with it being one of the few post-''Film/SawII'' sequels not to fall back on the "person undertakes a series of games in order to save people connected to them" formula, at least puts it ahead of ''Film/Saw3D'' and arguably ''Film/{{Jigsaw}}'' in most fans' estimations.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed that they were meant to believe Strahm was the Jigsaw killer and was responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed by Kevin Greutert that they were meant to find evidence that would make them believe Strahm was the new Jigsaw killer and was responsible for abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed that they were meant to believe Strahm was Jigsaw's new apprentice and was responsible for testing them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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* TrappedByMountainLions: The Fatal Five and their reasons for being tested have almost nothing to do with the "Hoffman vs. Strahm" plotline (other than Erickson and other FBI agents arriving to their scene), or even Hoffman or John's backstories. You can feel that their trial was only added to keep the film's length from being too short in comparison to other ''Saw'' films. It was later confirmed that they were meant to believe Strahm was Jigsaw's new apprentice the Jigsaw killer and was responsible for testing abducting them, adding to Hoffman's frame job in the ending, but [[WhatCouldHaveBeen this plotline was cut]].

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