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* HePannedItNowHeSucks
** Bashing ROH and TNA in favor of NXT was annoying but to be expected, it being part of the company currently paying him and the show his daughter being was featured on. What pissed people off was that he said NXT was better because it had more wrestling and less talking. While that was sometimes true of post Bischoff, last days on Spike TV TNA, who alternated between great shows full of wrestling and empty shows with little action, the most consistent complaint about SBG ROH, more than being New Japan's bitch, television being behind pay per view or [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes classic material not being available]], was that there was too much wrestling without context or emotional stakes. "No story lines" as WWE "[[FandomRivalry loyalists]]" liked to claim. So there was hardly anyone who believed there was any sincerity in the claim lack of wrestling was ROH's problem(and until 2016-18, post reality competition NXT could be described as "If ROH had a [[NoBudget budget]] three years ago.")
** After already backsliding into TheScrappy due to his overly-prominent role as Wrestling/{{Charlotte}}'s manager in the early stages of her 2016 top heel run, Flair's reputation with wrestling fans took a further hit when he fired shots on the instant rise of [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Bálor]] from ''NXT'' draftee to ''Raw'' Universal Championship #1 Contender by stating that Bálor is not a superstar, no cruiserweight will be world champion or main event Wrestling/WrestleMania (especially given it's happened multiple times [[Wrestling/ShawnMichaels including the friend who later retired him]]), and Wrestling/RomanReigns should've beaten Bálor for the top contendership based on looks alone.
** Bashing ROH and TNA in favor of NXT was annoying but to be expected, it being part of the company currently paying him and the show his daughter being was featured on. What pissed people off was that he said NXT was better because it had more wrestling and less talking. While that was sometimes true of post Bischoff, last days on Spike TV TNA, who alternated between great shows full of wrestling and empty shows with little action, the most consistent complaint about SBG ROH, more than being New Japan's bitch, television being behind pay per view or [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes classic material not being available]], was that there was too much wrestling without context or emotional stakes. "No story lines" as WWE "[[FandomRivalry loyalists]]" liked to claim. So there was hardly anyone who believed there was any sincerity in the claim lack of wrestling was ROH's problem(and until 2016-18, post reality competition NXT could be described as "If ROH had a [[NoBudget budget]] three years ago.")
** After already backsliding into TheScrappy due to his overly-prominent role as Wrestling/{{Charlotte}}'s manager in the early stages of her 2016 top heel run, Flair's reputation with wrestling fans took a further hit when he fired shots on the instant rise of [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Bálor]] from ''NXT'' draftee to ''Raw'' Universal Championship #1 Contender by stating that Bálor is not a superstar, no cruiserweight will be world champion or main event Wrestling/WrestleMania (especially given it's happened multiple times [[Wrestling/ShawnMichaels including the friend who later retired him]]), and Wrestling/RomanReigns should've beaten Bálor for the top contendership based on looks alone.
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* [[{{Misblamed}} Mis-blamed]]: Many TNA fans associate him--rightly or wrongly--with that company's decline, as he arrived at about the same time as Hogan, Bischoff, and the other washed-up WCW guys. When they made AJ Styles--the guy who was there since day one, who held all the titles, who was their best wrestler--into a Ric Flair protegee, it was Strike 1. (Of course there were many more things.)
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* [[{{Misblamed}} Mis-blamed]]: MisBlamed: Many TNA fans associate him--rightly or wrongly--with that company's decline, as he arrived at about the same time as Hogan, Bischoff, and the other washed-up WCW guys. When they made AJ Styles--the guy who was there since day one, who held all the titles, who was their best wrestler--into a Ric Flair protegee, it was Strike 1. (Of course there were many more things.)
* OnceOriginalNowCommon: For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. To get a sense of why he's considered one of the best professional wrestlers ever, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.'' [[note]]He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] XXIV'' Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.[[/note]] It doesn’t help that many of Flair’s greatest matches were never put on tape or film and are thus lost to history. [[note]] Flair himself has said that some of his matches with Steamboat in the ‘70s were even better than the ones that were recorded in 1989. [[/note]] People not old enough to have seen him wrestle live in his prime only have the big matches that were recorded and the recollections of older fans to go off of.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. To get a sense of why he's considered one of the best professional wrestlers ever, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.'' [[note]]He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] XXIV'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.[[/note]] It doesn’t help that many of Flair’s greatest matches were never put on tape or film and are thus lost to history. [[note]] Flair himself has said that some of his matches with Steamboat in the ‘70s were even better than the ones that were recorded in 1989. [[/note]] People not old enough to have seen him wrestle live in his prime only have the big matches that were recorded and the recollections of older fans to go off of.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. To get a sense of why he's considered one of the best professional wrestlers ever, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.'' [[note]]He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] XXIV'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.[[/note]]
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. To get a sense of why he's considered one of the best professional wrestlers ever, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.'' [[note]]He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] XXIV'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.[[/note]]
[[/note]] It doesn’t help that many of Flair’s greatest matches were never put on tape or film and are thus lost to history. [[note]] Flair himself has said that some of his matches with Steamboat in the ‘70s were even better than the ones that were recorded in 1989. [[/note]] People not old enough to have seen him wrestle live in his prime only have the big matches that were recorded and the recollections of older fans to go off of.
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None of those people have anything to do with the example.
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** It's a bit like comparing football players of today to football players in the fifties. Back in the day, Bruno was rolling around with other guys doing somersaults for 4 minutes every 11 months, and it was awesome. Then Hogan was doing 3 minutes of offense, a leg drop and big boot, and playing the crowd for 11 minutes. Today? For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. (Cena and D-Bry would eat him for lunch.) To get a sense of his career, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.''
** He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] 24'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
** It's a bit like comparing football players of today to football players in the fifties. Back in the day, Bruno was rolling around with other guys doing somersaults for 4 minutes every 11 months, and it was awesome. Then Hogan was doing 3 minutes of offense, a leg drop and big boot, and playing the crowd for 11 minutes. Today? For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. (Cena and D-Bry would eat him for lunch.) To get a sense of his career, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.''
** He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] 24'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** It's a bit like comparing football players of today to football players in the fifties. Back in the day, Bruno was rolling around with other guys doing somersaults for 4 minutes every 11 months, and it was awesome. Then Hogan was doing 3 minutes of offense, a leg drop and big boot, and playing the crowd for 11 minutes. Today?SeinfeldIsUnfunny: For most under the age of 40, Flair is the ancient, balding goof who could barely wrestle and would chest-chop and eye-poke his opponents before finally slapping on the figure-four leglock at the end. (Cena and D-Bry would eat him for lunch.) To get a sense of his career, why he's considered one of the best professional wrestlers ever, you definitely have to watch the first few ''Starrcade'' events and ''Clash of the Champions.''
** He'' [[note]]He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] 24'' XXIV'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
decades.[[/note]]
** It's a bit like comparing football players of today to football players in the fifties. Back in the day, Bruno was rolling around with other guys doing somersaults for 4 minutes every 11 months, and it was awesome. Then Hogan was doing 3 minutes of offense, a leg drop and big boot, and playing the crowd for 11 minutes. Today?
** He
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as most wrestling fans are concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His matches in the indies, TNA, and especially his "last match" in 2022, don't count.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as most wrestling fans are concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His matches run in the indies, TNA, and especially ''especially'' his "last match" in 2022, don't count.
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This is quite meandering, and quite the whiplash in that the first bullet point craps on the guy and the second praises him as the best ever. Speaking of which, it wasn't necessary to split it in two bullet points. It could all go in one sentence.
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** Love the dude, but Flair is useless on any kind of discussion panel. He sees a lot of people as beneath him and lets it be known. His appearances on ''Roundtable'' were particularly bad: When asked what was the most important moment in wrestling history was, Flair straight-up said the day he started. It's a tiny bit funny watching him put over the Horsemen in every episode he appears. (The topic for the day could be "best commentary teams" and he'd still put four fingers up.)
** He's still widely considered the best pro wrestler ever. Not just by fans, but by plenty of wrestlers and publications. There's very little room for debate outside of Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and Wrestling/ShawnMichaels (Hogan and the latter two openly say Flair was the best). Look no further than "The Broomstick Rule", a term coined by wrestling reviewers. The rule is that Ric Flair, at the top of his game, made matches a minimum of 3 stars [[note]] matches are rated from 5 stars (the very best) to a negative 5 stars (the very worst). No stars or "Dud" would be a match of no value. 3 stars would be an average match that is still good.[[/note]] simply by being ''in'' the match. It is called "The Broomstick Rule" because Ric could carry a broomstick to a 3 star match.
** Love the dude, but Flair is useless on any kind of discussion panel. He sees a lot of people as beneath him and lets it be known. His appearances on ''Roundtable'' were particularly bad: When asked what was the most important moment in wrestling history was, Flair straight-up said the day he started. It's a tiny bit funny watching him put over the Horsemen in every episode he appears. (The topic for the day could be "best commentary teams" and he'd still put four fingers up.)
** He's still widely considered the best pro wrestler ever. Not just by fans, but by plenty of wrestlers and publications. There's very little room for debate outside of Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and Wrestling/ShawnMichaels (Hogan and the latter two openly say Flair was the best). Look no further than "The Broomstick Rule", a term coined by wrestling reviewers. The rule is that Ric Flair, at the top of his game, made matches a minimum of 3 stars [[note]] matches are rated from 5 stars (the very best) to a negative 5 stars (the very worst). No stars or "Dud" would be a match of no value. 3 stars would be an average match that is still good.[[/note]] simply by being ''in'' the match. It is called "The Broomstick Rule" because Ric could carry a broomstick to a 3 star match.
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** Love the dude, butAwesomeEgo: Ric Flair is useless on any kind of discussion panel. He sees a lot of people as beneath him and lets it be known. His appearances on ''Roundtable'' were particularly bad: When asked what was the most important moment in wrestling history was, Flair straight-up said character (and arguably the day he started. It's performer) has a tiny bit funny watching him put over the Horsemen in every episode he appears. (The topic for the day could be "best commentary teams" and he'd still put four fingers up.)
** He's still widelygigantic ego, but given that he's considered one of the best pro wrestler ever. Not just by fans, but by plenty of professional wrestlers and publications. There's very little room for debate outside of Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/BretHart, Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and Wrestling/ShawnMichaels (Hogan and the latter two openly say Flair ever, he was the best). Look no further than "The Broomstick Rule", a term coined by wrestling reviewers. The rule is that Ric Flair, at the top of his game, able to back back it up, which made matches a minimum of 3 stars [[note]] matches are rated from 5 stars (the very best) to a negative 5 stars (the very worst). No stars or "Dud" would be a match of no value. 3 stars would be an average match that is still good.[[/note]] simply by being ''in'' the match. It is called "The Broomstick Rule" because Ric could carry a broomstick to a 3 star match. him more charming.
** Love the dude, but
** He's still widely
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** His "last match" in 2022 was painful to watch for even the biggest Flair marks, proving that not even the greatest professional wrestler of all time was immune to the perils of old age.
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** His "last match" in 2022 was painful to watch for even the biggest Flair marks, proving that not even the greatest professional wrestler of all time was immune to the perils of old age. To top it off, it won [[MedalOfDishonor 2022 Gooker Award]] by a landslide, taking 48% of a vote that had ''nine other entries''.
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** His "last match" in 2022 was painful to watch for even the biggest Flair marks, proving that not even the greatest professional wrestler of all time was immune to the perils of old age.
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** He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] 24'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
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** He still managed to pull off classics every now and then, such as when he fought Triple H in a brutal cage match at the 2005 ''Taboo Tuesday'', and Wrestling/{{Edge}} Wrestling/{{Edge|Wrestler}} in a TLC match for the WWE Championship on ''Raw''. During his retirement match against Wrestling/ShawnMichaels at ''[=WrestleMania=] 24'' when Flair suddenly seemed to wind back the clock twenty years and busted out moves that he hadn't used in decades.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as more wrestling fans are concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His matches in the indies, TNA, and his "last match" in 2022, don't count.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as more most wrestling fans are concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His matches in the indies, TNA, and especially his "last match" in 2022, don't count.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as any wrestling fan (and Flair himself) is concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His TNA and indy matches don't count.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: As far as any more wrestling fan (and Flair himself) is fans are concerned, Ric Flair's final match was his match at [=WrestleMania=] XXIV against Shawn Michaels. His TNA and indy matches in the indies, TNA, and his "last match" in 2022, don't count.
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* FoeYay: Once told Wrestling/TripleH he was gonna "take a bite outta your ass!"
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* ObscurePopularity: As legendary as Flair is to wrestling fans, he is not very well-known to mainstream audiences, especially compared to fellow wrestling icons such as Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson]]. A lot of this is due to the fact that Flair has mostly shied away from Hollywood unlike the other three, and spent most of his prime wrestling for NWA/WCW instead of WWF/E. Flair even seems to be aware of this himself, as he admitted on the Hulk Hogan Anthology DVD that he's not as famous as Hogan.
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* ObscurePopularity: As legendary as Flair is to wrestling fans, he is not very well-known to among mainstream audiences, especially compared to fellow wrestling icons such as Wrestling/HulkHogan, Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin and [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson]]. A lot of this is due to the fact that Flair has mostly shied away from Hollywood unlike the other three, and spent most of his prime wrestling for NWA/WCW instead of WWF/E. Flair even seems to be aware of this himself, as he admitted on the Hulk Hogan Anthology DVD that he's not as famous as Hogan.
