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** ''Princess Maker 2''
*** If Olive loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
*** Then there's the end goal of the game, which is to have Olive be married, and it is treated as the worst thing ever if she doesn't, even if she does have a successful career. This message hasn't even aged well in its native Japan, considering a lot of people are beginning to reject marriage due to a multitude of reasons.
*** A lot of Western players found the weight standards to be ridiculous at best, and downright unhealthy at worse. Olive can be considered overweight for being a few kilos above threshold set in the game, when in reality she could be considered average or even downright underweight.
*** If Olive loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
*** Then there's the end goal of the game, which is to have Olive be married, and it is treated as the worst thing ever if she doesn't, even if she does have a successful career. This message hasn't even aged well in its native Japan, considering a lot of people are beginning to reject marriage due to a multitude of reasons.
*** A lot of Western players found the weight standards to be ridiculous at best, and downright unhealthy at worse. Olive can be considered overweight for being a few kilos above threshold set in the game, when in reality she could be considered average or even downright underweight.
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** ''Princess Maker 2''
***If Olive loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
*** ** Then there's the end goal of the game, which is to have Olive be married, and it is treated as the worst thing ever if she doesn't, even if she does have a successful career. This message hasn't even aged well in its native Japan, considering a lot of people are beginning to reject marriage due to a multitude of reasons.
*** ** A lot of Western players found the weight standards to be ridiculous at best, and downright unhealthy at worse. Olive can be considered overweight for being a few kilos above threshold set in the game, when in reality she could be considered average or even downright underweight.
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*** If Olivia loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
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*** If Olivia Olive loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The franchise is very popular in South Korea, that there were quite a few fan games and even a region-exclusive spinoff mobile game. Hell, the Steam port was even handled by a Korean company.
**It's also popular in Taiwan and China
**It's also popular in Taiwan and China
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* SoBadItWasBetter: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''[=PM2=]'' was kinda bad and incredibly {{Narm}}y. The ''Refine'' translation is better and more faithful, but it loses out on the NarmCharm. Wendy drawing a distinction between magicians and "Magician Girls!" is enjoyable nonsense, while making one between magicians and {{Magical Girl}}s is just pedantic.
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* SoBadItWasBetter: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''[=PM2=]'' was kinda bad and incredibly {{Narm}}y. The ''Refine'' translation is better and more faithful, but it loses out on the NarmCharm. Wendy drawing a distinction between magicians and "Magician Girls!" is enjoyable nonsense, while making one between magicians and {{Magical Girl}}s is just pedantic.pedantic.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: Just because it has the word "princess" in the title and you get to play as a girl does not mean that this franchise was made with girls in mind, especially the earlier installments that had a surprising amount of sexual content and fanservice. However, that didn't stop it from gaining a female fanbase and even an [[Anime/PetitePrincessYucie anime and manga adaptation]] aimed at [[AudienceShift young girls]]
* ValuesDissonance: Considering that this a Japanese video game from 90s that is aimed at men, it's to be expected.
**''Princess Maker 2''
***If Olivia loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
***Then there's the end goal of the game, which is to have Olive be married, and it is treated as the worst thing ever if she doesn't, even if she does have a successful career. This message hasn't even aged well in its native Japan, considering a lot of people are beginning to reject marriage due to a multitude of reasons.
***A lot of Western players found the weight standards to be ridiculous at best, and downright unhealthy at worse. Olive can be considered overweight for being a few kilos above threshold set in the game, when in reality she could be considered average or even downright underweight.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForLittleGirls: Just because it has the word "princess" in the title and you get to play as a girl does not mean that this franchise was made with girls in mind, especially the earlier installments that had a surprising amount of sexual content and fanservice. However, that didn't stop it from gaining a female fanbase and even an [[Anime/PetitePrincessYucie anime and manga adaptation]] aimed at [[AudienceShift young girls]]
* ValuesDissonance: Considering that this a Japanese video game from 90s that is aimed at men, it's to be expected.
**''Princess Maker 2''
***If Olivia loses the Combat Tournament in the Harvest Festival, Cube will comment how girls are cuter when they aren't tough, which comes off as awfully sexist by Western standards. Even weirder considering how the game itself can let her become a fighter without consequence.
***Then there's the end goal of the game, which is to have Olive be married, and it is treated as the worst thing ever if she doesn't, even if she does have a successful career. This message hasn't even aged well in its native Japan, considering a lot of people are beginning to reject marriage due to a multitude of reasons.
***A lot of Western players found the weight standards to be ridiculous at best, and downright unhealthy at worse. Olive can be considered overweight for being a few kilos above threshold set in the game, when in reality she could be considered average or even downright underweight.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarded as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieves it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ends up getting lots of power in return.
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* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarded as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieves it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ends up getting lots of power in return.return.
* SoBadItWasBetter: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''[=PM2=]'' was kinda bad and incredibly {{Narm}}y. The ''Refine'' translation is better and more faithful, but it loses out on the NarmCharm. Wendy drawing a distinction between magicians and "Magician Girls!" is enjoyable nonsense, while making one between magicians and {{Magical Girl}}s is just pedantic.
* SoBadItWasBetter: The original [=SoftEgg=] translation of ''[=PM2=]'' was kinda bad and incredibly {{Narm}}y. The ''Refine'' translation is better and more faithful, but it loses out on the NarmCharm. Wendy drawing a distinction between magicians and "Magician Girls!" is enjoyable nonsense, while making one between magicians and {{Magical Girl}}s is just pedantic.
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Most experienced players who aren't specifically going for a low-rep ending (and some who are) rush the art festival in the first or second year, to provide the necessary income stream to train their daughter for whatever ending they're planning.
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Most experienced players who aren't specifically going for a low-rep ending (and some who are) rush the art festival in the first or second year, to provide the necessary income stream to train their daughter for whatever ending they're planning.planning.
* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarded as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieves it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ends up getting lots of power in return.
* EsotericHappyEnding: Inverted: the [[http://princessmaker.wikia.com/wiki/Princess_of_Darkness_Ending_(PM2) Princess of Darkness ending]] is regarded as ''terrible'' stats-wise and the Gods will seriously scold the player... but the fandom [[EvilIsCool considers it]] as a ''good'' ending story-wise since the Daughter achieves it by [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu killing Lucifon with her own hands]] and ends up getting lots of power in return.
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Most experienced players who aren't specifically going for a low-rep ending (and some who are) rush the art festival in the first or second year, to provide the necessary income stream to train their daughter for whatever ending they're planning.
