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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties and was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming not only increasingly ridiculous and contrived, but [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser.
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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: OnceOriginalNowCommon: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties and was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming not only increasingly ridiculous and contrived, but [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser.
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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties and was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser.
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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties and was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming not only increasingly ridiculous and contrived, but [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser.
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* BrokenAesop: Even if Ash had trained his team, it still doesn't change the fact Team Rocket interfered and were unusually persistent thus causing Ash's team to be worn out.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] UsefulNotes/TheNineties and was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time.air. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.MemeticLoser.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.
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* InformedWrongness: Ash is kidnapped by Team Rocket before his semifinal match at the Indigo League. He manages to escape and make it in time, but half of his team (Pidgeotto, Bulbasaur and Pikachu) becomes weakened and exhausted in the process. As a result, his Pikachu and Squirtle are quickly taken out, and due to Kingler, Muk, and Tauros still being in Professor Oak's lab at time, he's out of usable Pokémon other than the perennially disobedient Charizard. Charizard takes out his opponent's Charmander but refuses to fight the opponent's Pikachu, resulting in Ash losing the League match and the tournament. When Ash is in the dumps in the next episode, he's told that he's being a crybaby and his loss was entirely his fault for not properly training Charizard beforehand. Again, Ash's party had been unfairly limited before the battle, and he wouldn't have used Charizard if it hadn't been for that fact and wasn't given any time to switch Pokémon. Also, for those paying attention, [[{{Jerkass}} Charizard pretty much just decided he was hotter shit than his trainer for no reason at all]] starting from [[Recap/PokemonS1E44TheProblemWithParas the episode after he evolved into Charmeleon]] and [[Recap/PokemonS1E59VolcanicPanic only obeyed Ash once in the intervening thirty-five episodes]]. [[Recap/PokemonS2E25CharizardChills Ultimately]] it would literally take a NearDeathExperience for the big lug to even consider listening to his trainer again.[[note]]This arc was probably meant to adapt the games' MoraleMechanic where traded Pokémon above certain levels will randomly disobey [=PCs=] with insufficient numbers of gym badges, but by that logic Charizard should have started obeying Ash again when he won an Earth Badge in Viridian City at the very latest.[[/note]] Worse yet, Misty and Brock didn't lift a finger to help find Ash when he went missing, nor did anyone in the League, who sat on their hands waiting for (and almost disqualifying) him when just yesterday a group of thieves tried to steal everyone's Pokémon.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach toPokemon Pokémon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, which also contributed to the fandom seeing Ash as a MemeticLoser, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more. Had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lose due to seemingly contrived rules, fans would've likely accepted it more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner (first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokémon be declared unable to battle after simply being put to sleep, and finally having a Pokémon be disqualified after refusing to battle) pissed fans off even more. Had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lose due to seemingly contrived rules, fans would've likely accepted it more.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack (which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Kingler, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner(first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokemon get declared knocked out by a sleep attack and another get declared knocked out for refusing to listen to him)only pissed fans off even more, had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lost due to seemingly contrived rules fans would've likely accepted it more.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner(first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokemon get declared knocked out by a sleep attack and another get declared knocked out for refusing to listen to him)only pissed fans off even more, had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lost due to seemingly contrived rules fans would've likely accepted it more.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack (which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Krabby, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack (which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Krabby, Kingler, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack(which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Krabby, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack(which attack (which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Krabby, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* MisBlamed: Some blame Team Rocket for Ash losing to Ritchie, but as the website "Dogasu's Backpack" pointed out it was more blatant contrivance by the writer of the episode then anything to do with them-Pikachu shouldn't have been that exhausted from only a couple of electric attacks when it had done way more exertion in previous episodes without getting that tired, Squirtle wasn't really exhausted, it just got declared knocked out due to a Sleep attack(which seems like a loophole that's way too easy for trainers to exploit)and Ash certainly wasn't forced to use Charizard like he claimed, as he also could've also used Muk or Krabby, both of whom would've fared just as well against Ritchie's Charmander and could've done fine against his Pikachu, and then Charizard getting declared knocked out from refusing to listen to Ash really feels like a contrived rule that could easily be challenged by other trainers.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner(first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokemon get declared knocked out by a sleep attack and another get declared knocked out for refusing to listen to him)only pissed fans off even more, had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lost due to seemingly contrived rules fans would've likely accepted it more.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing. The fact that he lost in such a contrived manner(first getting delayed by Team Rocket, then having one Pokemon get declared knocked out by a sleep attack and another get declared knocked out for refusing to listen to him)only pissed fans off even more, had Ash actually been able to give it his all and not lost due to seemingly contrived rules fans would've likely accepted it more.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop [[TruthInTelevision no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you your success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* SignfieldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* SignfieldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* SignfieldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in ''UsefulNotes/The90s''; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in ''UsefulNotes/The2000s'' started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* SignfieldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in ''UsefulNotes/The90s''; UsefulNotes/TheNineties; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in ''UsefulNotes/The2000s'' the UsefulNotes/TurnOfTheMillennium started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
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* BrokenBase: As to be expected, this episode started the trend of 'Ash loses at the league to someone who loses in the very next round'. Was it actively justified here considering Ash really ''did'' deserve to lose since he didn't actively train his Pokemon in Kanto and relied on pure luck and pragmatism for most of his battles? Or was it just a lazy copout by the writers to keep the StrictlyFormula nature of the show so far ongoing rather than shaking things up if he would have won?
* SignfieldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in ''UsefulNotes/The90s''; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in ''UsefulNotes/The2000s'' started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
* SignfieldIsUnfunny: Back in the day, the fact that Ash lost the league was actively a ''major'' shock to the community, but [[HarsherInHindsight actually received rather positively]], as 'scrappy underdog actually LOSES whatever major sporting event they're in' was ''nigh-unheard of'' back in ''UsefulNotes/The90s''; the 90s were so full of [[StockAesop stock 'you can make it if you really try' aesops]] that a show having the balls to spell out that, [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop no, 'trying hard enough' will NOT guarantee you success]] was considered to be a nice breath of fresh air among the cynical Generation X at the time. It also helped that the loss ''actively served as CharacterDevelopment for Ash'', as he did ultimately learn from it and take a more pro-active approach to Pokemon training from then on. However, as the years went on more shows in ''UsefulNotes/The2000s'' started to parrot that Aesop to the point of being suffocatingly nihilistic and Ash's repeated losses becoming [[WriterCopOut more and more obviously done just to keep]] the StrictlyFormula nature of the show ongoing, it can be hard to see why his first league loss was actually considered to be a good thing.
