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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and Entei is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamage supereffective damage]] from [[DishingOutDirt Ground-type]] attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons [[OlympusMons Entei,]] and Entei is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamage supereffective damage]] from [[DishingOutDirt Ground-type]] attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and [[OlympousMons Entei]] is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamage supereffective damage]] from Ground-type attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and [[OlympousMons Entei]] Entei is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamage supereffective damage]] from Ground-type [[DishingOutDirt Ground-type]] attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and [[OlympousMons Entei]] is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamge supereffective damage]] from Ground-type attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and [[OlympousMons Entei]] is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamge [[ForMassiveDamage supereffective damage]] from Ground-type attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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* ThatOneBoss: Applicable to any and all bosses who own Legendary or third-stage/uber Pokémon. However, a rather early game, and ''very'' '''maddening''' example, is Dakim, who uses a '''brutally effective''' strategy to utterly ''destroy'' you: One Pokémon Protects (making itself immune to damage), the other uses [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake.]] Next turn, the roles switch. So you either eat Earthquakes until they run out of PP for Protect, or use somthing like Encore to screw their strategy up. [[ItGotWorse When you take into account]] that Dakim has [[OlympousMons Entei,]] and [[OlympousMons Entei]] is [[PlayingWithFire Fire-type,]] which takes [[ForMassiveDamge supereffective damage]] from Ground-type attacks, [[CaptainObvious which is what]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Earthquake]] [[CaptainObvious is,]] [[ThatOneBoss well...]]
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*** Not sure why Miror B as an Ensemble Darkhouse is in YMMV. He's only in the second game at all BECAUSE of fan demand.
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** [[spoiler: Greevil]] also seems to give up his evil ways in the end thanks to [[spoiler: his sons']] influence. Every other leading member in the organization, however, are unrepentant ''jerks''.
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** [[spoiler: Greevil]] also seems to give up his evil ways in the end thanks to [[spoiler: his sons']] influence. Every other leading member in the organization, however, are unrepentant ''jerks''.douchebags.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The things they ''didn't'' keep the same [[UnpleasableFanbase also rubbed some fans the wrong way]], particularly changing Orre into a much more habitable place, thus losing it's "edge."
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The things they ''didn't'' keep the same [[UnpleasableFanbase also rubbed some fans the wrong way]], way, particularly changing Orre into a much more habitable place, thus losing it's "edge."
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** [[spoiler: Greevil]] also seems to give up his evil ways in the end thanks to [[spoiler: his sons']] influence. Every other leading member in the organization, however, are unrepentant ''jerks''.
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''Pokemon Red or Blue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''Pokemon Red or Blue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although types.
** Although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
** Although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Snattle's imprisonment of an entire town's population (apparently using violence no less), Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia, and Ardos attempting to get Michael killed.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Snattle's imprisonment of an entire town's population (apparently using violence no less), Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia, and Ardos attempting to get Michael and everyone else within the area killed.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Snattle's imprisonment of an entire town's population (apparently using violence no less), Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia, and Ardos attempting to get Michael killed.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Snattle's imprisonment of an entire town's population (apparently using violence no less), Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia, and Ardos attempting to get Michael killed.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Dr. Ein crosses this just by ''inventing'' the Shadow Pokemon system.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Snattle's imprisonment of an entire town's population, population (apparently using violence no less), Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia, and Ardos attempting to get Michael killed.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia.]]
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Venus and Lovrina are this in-universe.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The things they ''didn't'' keep the same also rubbed some fans the wrong way, particularly changing Orre into a much more habitable place, thus losing it's "edge."
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The things they ''didn't'' keep the same [[UnpleasableFanbase also rubbed some fans the wrong way, way]], particularly changing Orre into a much more habitable place, thus losing it's "edge."
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The things they ''didn't'' keep the same also rubbed some fans the wrong way, particularly changing Orre into a much more habitable place, thus losing it's "edge."
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* EvilIsSexy: Ein, Venus, and Lovrina. All of them evil to varying degrees but all of them ''so good looking.''
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* TheScrappy: Jovi. ''Big time.''
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* TheScrappy: Michael's little sister Jovi. ''Big time.''
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia.]]
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* TheScrappy: Jovi in ''XD'' qualifies ''big time.''
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* TheScrappy: Jovi. ''Big time.''
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Lovrina's corruption of Shadow Lugia.]]
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* TheScrappy: Jovi in ''XD'' qualifies ''big time.''
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* ScrappyMechanic: Poke Spots defeated the entire point of Shadow Pokemon and Orre, and gave rubbish Pokemon anyway.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks / UnpleasableFanbase: Fans were asking for a more plot-driven and DarkerAndEdgier take on the series since ''Gen I''. ''Colosseum'' comes out and what's it criticised for? "It's not like PokemonRubyAndSapphire". They were ''not'' nice to ''Colosseum''...however they lightened up around time for ''Mystery Dungeon'' and ''Ranger''.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks / UnpleasableFanbase: TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Fans were asking for a more plot-driven and DarkerAndEdgier take on the series since ''Gen I''. ''Colosseum'' comes out and what's it criticised for? "It's not like PokemonRubyAndSapphire". They were ''not'' nice to ''Colosseum''...however they lightened up around time for ''Mystery Dungeon'' and ''Ranger''.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: Did the game ''have'' to re-use so much from ''Colosseum''?
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** However; there existed plenty of people who criticised the games because "They weren't like Red or Blue" or "Why do I have to fight ''double battles''?!"
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''PokemonRedOrBlue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''PokemonRedOrBlue''?", ''Pokemon Red or Blue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
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* CompleteMonster: Cipher is more or less built around this trope, since making Shadow Pokémon means abusing them to the ninth degree. The more Shadow Pokémon, the higher your rank and the more likely that you're an utter bastard. Miror B. and his minions, Dakim, Eldes, and some of the lower rank mooks are probably the only exceptions here.
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* CompleteMonster: Cipher is more or less built around this trope, since making Shadow Pokémon means abusing them to the ninth degree. The more Shadow Pokémon, the higher your rank and the more likely that you're an utter bastard. Miror B. and his minions, Dakim, Venus, Eldes, and some of the lower rank mooks are probably the only exceptions here.
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''PokemonRedOrBlue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
* ParanoiaFuel: In XD, Cipher Peons have a tendency to drop down from the ceiling when you least expect it. There's also one time where you get on an elevator alone, and you come out of said elevator with a Peon behind you.
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* ParanoiaFuel: In XD, Cipher Peons have a tendency to drop down from the ceiling when you least expect it. There's also one time where you get on an elevator alone, and you come out of said elevator with a Peon behind you.
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* MisBlamed: Game Freak didn't work on these games; although a Nintendo and Pokémon-company owned franchise ''did''.
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* WasteOfTimeStory: Fans and former fans demanded a more plot-driven Pokémon game or for a DarkerAndEdgier entry to the series. They get ''Colosseum'' and...the responses are either "WTF where are the wilds?" "Why is this not like ''PokemonRedOrBlue''?", "Shadow Pokémon? WTF are they babbling on about I wanna EV train!", "Double Battles? I ''HATE'' Double Battles!", while the DarkerAndEdgier stuff was mostly completely ignored by the "Pokémon is kiddy" age-ghetto types...although some people actually ''did'' pay attention.
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* IThoughtItMeant: No, the name of the game doesn't mean "Pokemon, LOL".
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** However; there existed plenty of people who criticised the games because "They weren't like Red or Blue" or "Why do I have to fight ''double battles''?!"
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks / UnpleasableFanbase: Fans were asking for a more plot-driven and DarkerAndEdgier take on the series since ''Gen I''. ''Colosseum'' comes out and what's it criticised for? "It's not like PokemonRubyAndSapphire". They were ''not'' nice to ''Colosseum''...however they lightened up around time for ''Mystery Dungeon'' and ''Ranger''.