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** Bunny Wailer has stated that he wrote "Funeral (Burial)" and would have been the singer on it had he not gone to prison. The song is probably a cowrite between the two as it shows elements of both their writing styles, but whether they worked on it together or if Peter simply made changes to Bunny's song before he recorded it is unknown. Oddly, when Bunny recorded the song himself he chose to record Peter's rearrangement for Legalize It, which has a different melody to the original Wail N Soul M' version.
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* SampledUp: Some lines from "Burial" were interpolated by Cutty Ranks in his track "Limb By Limb", the DJ SS remix of which is used prominently in the episode of Father Ted titled "New Jack City". Father Ted remains extremely popular in the UK and Ireland, whereas Tosh has more of a cult following.

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* SignatureSong: He's strongly associated with "Legalize It", "Steppin' Razor", "Soon Come" "400 Years", "No Sympathy" and "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)"
* TooCoolToLive: He was very charismatic, and a lot of the posthumous treatment of his catalogue has emphasised this. However, he was murdered at the age of 42.

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* SignatureSong: He's strongly associated with "Legalize It", "Steppin' Razor", "Soon Come" "400 Years", "No Sympathy" and "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)"
* TooCoolToLive: He was very charismatic, and a lot of the posthumous treatment of his catalogue has emphasised this. However, he was murdered at the age of 42.
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* BleachedUnderpants: His early stage name was Peter Touch because he used to grope women he was attracted to. It was changed to Tosh (after his surname of [=McIntosh=]) later. In addition, he tried to market himself to a US audience on poppier tracks as "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)" and "Nothing But Love" (neither of which he wrote), as well as going for lyrics that are a lot more politically vague on his last two albums (although, with the same message). He also did his best to be polite to interviewers, especially women, who he would often address as "my dear".
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* BleachedUnderpants: His early stage name was Peter Touch because he used to grope women he was attracted to. It was changed to Tosh (after his surname of McIntosh) later. In addition, he tried to market himself to a US audience on poppier tracks as "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)" and "Nothing But Love" (neither of which he wrote), as well as going for lyrics that are a lot more politically vague on his last two albums (although, with the same message). He also did his best to be polite to interviewers, especially women, who he would often address as "my dear".

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* BleachedUnderpants: His early stage name was Peter Touch because he used to grope women he was attracted to. It was changed to Tosh (after his surname of McIntosh) [=McIntosh=]) later. In addition, he tried to market himself to a US audience on poppier tracks as "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)" and "Nothing But Love" (neither of which he wrote), as well as going for lyrics that are a lot more politically vague on his last two albums (although, with the same message). He also did his best to be polite to interviewers, especially women, who he would often address as "my dear".

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* BleachedUnderpants: His early stage name was Peter Touch because he used to grope women he was attracted to. It was changed to Tosh (after his surname of McIntosh) later. In addition, he tried to market himself to a US audience on poppier tracks as "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)" and "Nothing But Love" (neither of which he wrote), as well as going for lyrics that are a lot more politically vague on his last two albums (although, with the same message). He also did his best to be polite to interviewers, especially women, who he would often address as "my dear".



* MisattributedSong: He provided the Amharic chanting that appears at the start of the pre-Island versions of "Concrete Jungle", but it's been miscredited to Lee Scratch Perry on more than one occasion. Peter had already used this style of chanting on a number of his solo recordings such as "Black Dignity" and "Righteous Ruler".

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* MisattributedSong: He provided the Amharic chanting that appears at the start of the pre-Island versions of "Concrete Jungle", but it's been miscredited to Lee Scratch Perry on more than one occasion. Peter had already used this style of chanting on a number of his solo recordings such as "Rasta Shook Them Up", "Black Dignity" and "Righteous Ruler".

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* SurprisinglyGoodEnglish: Unlike Bob and Bunny, who gave their interviews in Jamaican Patois (which is sometimes barely comprehensible as English), Peter spoke fluent international English, and could switch to it when needed - such as when talking to American interviewers. He felt that his message should be understood. He had always been a voracious reader, something that you can see from his love of puns.



* VitriolicBestBuds: With Bob Marley. The two had their disagreements but never truly fell out when Bob was alive, and even performed together a handful of times after The Wailers split. However, Peter was very jealous of Bob's success and his use of The Wailers name without him, and after Bob died, was convinced that he would become as popular.

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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Bob Marley. The two had their disagreements but never truly fell out when Bob was alive, and even performed together a handful of times after The Wailers split. However, Peter was very jealous of Bob's success and his use of The Wailers name without him, and after Bob died, was convinced that he would become as popular.

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* OutOfCharacterMoment: Given his militant image he has a few:
** "Hoot Nanny Hoot", his first recorded song about a dance (derived from the term "Hootenanny")
** His JAD era song "Love", which is incredibly mellow. Neville Willoughby witnessed him writing it, and was surprised to find it wasn't a cover and that Peter improvised it on the spot. He gave the song to Willoughby to record, with Johnny Nash also recording a version.
** His cover of "Here Comes The Sun" by TheBeatles and "Little Green Apples" by O.C. Smith, which suggest that he was not above mellowing out his music for international markets (although they didn't get released outside Jamaica for many years).
** "Nothing But Love", a duet with Gwen Guthrie on the album "Wanted Dread And Alive". It is possibly the most commercial thing released by any of the three Wailers. Peter himself stated that he recorded it specifically to get US radio airplay, as he felt they were hostile to reggae music.
* RefugeInAudacity: He was fond of doing so to rail against the establishment, with the most prominent example being "Buk In Hamm Palace", in which he not only encourages the listener to come to Buckingham Palace and light up a spliff, but that he is going to burn the place down as well.
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* LighterAndSofter: His last three albums are distinctly happy sounding, particularly "Wanted Dread And Alive", which has a noticeably sunny atmosphere.
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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Many of his master tapes were lost after being seized by police. Several tracks released on CD are noticeably vinyl sourced ("Mark Of The Beast" and "No Mercy") as well as cassette sourced (the outtake tracks on the Equal Rights Legacy Edition).
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* FemmeFatale: His last girlfriend, Marlene, was often described as having ulterior motives, with many believing that she introduced the people into his life who ended up murdering him.
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* {{Catchphrase}}: He freely used the Jamaican curse words 'bombaclaat', 'bloodclaat' and 'fuckery', 'seen' (which is the Jamaican way of saying 'do you know what I mean?') and his own word 'shitstem' (a portmanteau of 'shit' and 'system', meaning the government) in basically every interview. He even recorded a song called "Oh Bumbo Klaat" [[RefugeInAudacity just because he could]].
* CloudCuckoolander: Many of those that met him felt that he became this way over time, with a particular tendency towards antisocial behaviour in interviews and spontaneous violence towards his friends and family.
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* TooCoolToLive: He was very charismatic, and a lot of the posthumous treatment of his catalogue has emphasised this. However, he was murdered at the age of 42.
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* Catchphrase: He freely used the Jamaican curse words 'bombaclaat', 'bloodclaat' and 'fuckery', 'seen' (which is the Jamaican way of saying 'do you know what I mean?') and his own word 'shitstem' (a portmanteau of 'shit' and 'system', meaning the government) in basically every interview. He even recorded a song called "Oh Bumbo Klaat" [[RefugeInAudacity just because he could]].

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* Catchphrase: {{Catchphrase}}: He freely used the Jamaican curse words 'bombaclaat', 'bloodclaat' and 'fuckery', 'seen' (which is the Jamaican way of saying 'do you know what I mean?') and his own word 'shitstem' (a portmanteau of 'shit' and 'system', meaning the government) in basically every interview. He even recorded a song called "Oh Bumbo Klaat" [[RefugeInAudacity just because he could]].
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* Catchphrase: He freely used the Jamaican curse words 'bombaclaat', 'bloodclaat' and 'fuckery', 'seen' (which is the Jamaican way of saying 'do you know what I mean?') and his own word 'shitstem' (a portmanteau of 'shit' and 'system', meaning the government) in basically every interview. He even recorded a song called "Oh Bumbo Klaat" [[RefugeInAudacity just because he could]].

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* CloudCuckoolander: Many of those that met him felt that he became this way over time, with a particular tendency towards antisocial behaviour in interviews and spontaneous violence towards his friends and family.



* FemmeFatale: His last girlfriend, Marlene, was often described as having ulterior motives, with many believing that she introduced the people into his life who ended up murdering him.




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* VitriolicBestBuds: With Bob Marley. The two had their disagreements but never truly fell out when Bob was alive, and even performed together a handful of times after The Wailers split. However, Peter was very jealous of Bob's success and his use of The Wailers name without him, and after Bob died, was convinced that he would become as popular.
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* RefugeInAudacity: He was fond of doing so to rail against the establishment, with the most prominent example being "Buk In Hamm Palace", in which he not only encourages the listener to come to Buckingham Palace and light up a spliff, but that he is going to burn the place down as well.

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** "Nothing But Love", a duet with Gwen Guthrie on the album "Wanted Dread And Alive". It is possibly the most commercial thing released by any of the three Wailers.

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** His cover of "Here Comes The Sun" by TheBeatles and "Little Green Apples" by O.C. Smith, which suggest that he was not above mellowing out his music for international markets (although they didn't get released outside Jamaica for many years).
** "Nothing But Love", a duet with Gwen Guthrie on the album "Wanted Dread And Alive". It is possibly the most commercial thing released by any of the three Wailers. Peter himself stated that he recorded it specifically to get US radio airplay, as he felt they were hostile to reggae music.
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* MisattributedSong: He provided the Amharic chanting that appears at the start of the pre-Island versions of "Concrete Jungle", but it's been miscredited to Lee Scratch Perry on more than one occasion. Peter had already used this style of chanting on a number of his solo recordings such as "Black Dignity" and "Righteous Ruler".

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** "Stepping Razor" was written by Joe Higgs, but by his own admission he forgot to copyright the song. This is also something of an example of TheCoverChangesTheMeaning , as the song refers to Higg's short height ("Don't you watch my size"). Peter on the other hand was noticeably tall.

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** "Stepping Razor" was written by Joe Higgs, but by his own admission he forgot to copyright the song. This is also something of an example of TheCoverChangesTheMeaning , as the song refers to Higg's Higgs' short height ("Don't you watch my size"). Peter on the other hand was noticeably tall.


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* LighterAndSofter: His last three albums are distinctly happy sounding, particularly "Wanted Dread And Alive", which has a noticeably sunny atmosphere.
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* SignatureSong: He's strongly associated with "Legalize It", "Steppin' Razor", "400 Years", "No Sympathy" and "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)"

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* SignatureSong: He's strongly associated with "Legalize It", "Steppin' Razor", "Soon Come" "400 Years", "No Sympathy" and "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)"
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* SignatureSong: He's strongly associated with "Legalize It", "Steppin' Razor", "400 Years", "No Sympathy" and "You Gotta Walk (And Don't Look Back)"

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* KeepCirculatingTheTapes: Many of his master tapes were lost after being seized by police. Several tracks released on CD are noticeably vinyl sourced ("Mark Of The Beast" and "No Mercy") as well as cassette sourced (the outtake tracks on the Equal Rights Legacy Edition).


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* SurprisinglyGoodEnglish: Unlike Bob and Bunny, who gave their interviews in Jamaican Patois (which is sometimes barely comprehensible as English), Peter spoke fluent international English, and could switch to it when needed - such as when talking to American interviewers. He felt that his message should be understood. He had always been a voracious reader, something that you can see from his love of puns.
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* CoveredUp: He had a knack for this:
** "Rasta Shook Them Up" is a pioneering early rasta recording, but it takes the melody from the mento track "Archie Buck Them Up", which is now obscure.
** "Stepping Razor" was written by Joe Higgs, but by his own admission he forgot to copyright the song. This is also something of an example of TheCoverChangesTheMeaning , as the song refers to Higg's short height ("Don't you watch my size"). Peter on the other hand was noticeably tall.
** "The World Is Changing" and "Soon Come" were both written by Jimmy Norman. The former was recorded by The Coasters, but flopped and is still not on CD - whereas Tosh's version has appeared in numerous places. Norman accused Tosh of stealing "Soon Come" and just changing a few lyrics, which is likely the reason why the Bush Doctor remake of the song changes the arrangement and lyrics further.
** "You Gotta Walk And (Don't Look Back)", became Peter's biggest hit when Peter remade it with Mick Jagger in 1978, is arguably more famous than the Temptations original.

* OutOfCharacterMoment: Given his militant image he has a few:
** "Hoot Nanny Hoot", his first recorded song about a dance (derived from the term "Hootenanny")
** His JAD era song "Love", which is incredibly mellow. Neville Willoughby witnessed him writing it, and was surprised to find it wasn't a cover and that Peter improvised it on the spot. He gave the song to Willoughby to record, with Johnny Nash also recording a version.
** "Nothing But Love", a duet with Gwen Guthrie on the album "Wanted Dread And Alive". It is possibly the most commercial thing released by any of the three Wailers.
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