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** Royal's 3rd semester ArcVillain is, in-universe, treated as a misguided WellIntentionedExtremist at ''worst'', and has a HeelRealization after their boss fight. While the darker implications of [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul their methods]] are pointed out in-canon and opposed by the Phantom Thieves, a small subset of the fandom find them so disturbing they paint this character as just as much of a monster as the other targets, and see their stubborn belief in these methods as evidence [[FauxAffablyEvil they only PRETEND to be nice]]. Less flattering portrayals are especially common in Joker/Yoshizawa shipping stories, to give the couple a clear antagonist and some CatharsisFactor for [[spoiler:her spending months under his brainwashing]].[[labelnote:note]]In-canon, while Sumire agrees this wasn't healthy in the long term, she does admit it helped stave off her depression for a time, and as such doesn't resent Maruki for it.[[/labelnote]]
** Some Ryuji fans demonize the Phantom Thieves (With the exception of Akechi and Kasumi) as [[FalseFriend false friends]], due to what they perceive as the group's unfair treatment of him, during [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].
** Conversely, some Ann fans view Makoto as complicit in Kamoshida's abuse since she did nothing to stop him despite the extent of her knowledge and authority being quite limited.

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** Royal's 3rd semester ArcVillain is, in-universe, treated as a misguided WellIntentionedExtremist at ''worst'', and has a HeelRealization after their boss fight. While the darker implications of [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul their methods]] are pointed out in-canon and opposed by the Phantom Thieves, a small subset of the fandom find them so disturbing (sometimes even being viewed as the moral equivalent of rape) they paint this character as just as much of a monster as the other targets, and see their stubborn belief in these methods as evidence [[FauxAffablyEvil they only PRETEND to be nice]]. Less flattering portrayals are especially common in Joker/Yoshizawa shipping stories, to give the couple a clear antagonist and some CatharsisFactor for [[spoiler:her spending months under his brainwashing]].[[labelnote:note]]In-canon, while Sumire agrees this wasn't healthy in the long term, she does admit it helped stave off her depression for a time, and as such doesn't resent Maruki for it.[[/labelnote]]
** Some Ryuji fans demonize the Phantom Thieves (With (with the exception of Akechi and Kasumi) as [[FalseFriend false friends]], due to what they perceive as the group's (and especially Ann's) unfair treatment of him, during [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].
** Conversely, some Some Ann fans view Makoto as complicit in Kamoshida's abuse since she did nothing to stop him despite the extent of her knowledge and authority being quite limited.

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Some Ryuji fans demonize the Phantom Thieves (With the exception of Akechi and Kasumi) as [[FalseFriend false friends]], due to what they perceive as the group's unfair treatment of him, during [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].

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** Some Ryuji fans demonize the Phantom Thieves (With the exception of Akechi and Kasumi) as [[FalseFriend false friends]], due to what they perceive as the group's unfair treatment of him, during [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].

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** Some Ryuji fans demonize Ann for what they see as her facilitating the group's poor treatment of him, culminating in [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].

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Some Ryuji fans demonize Ann for the Phantom Thieves (With the exception of Akechi and Kasumi) as [[FalseFriend false friends]], due to what they see perceive as her facilitating the group's poor unfair treatment of him, culminating in during [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished the infamous scene]] after [[spoiler:Shido's Palace]].
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** The openings of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzPCRCUfAuQ ''Wake Up, Get Up, Get Out There"]] and [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-pYuiWoE-Q "Last Surprise"]] sound vaguely similar to parts of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBBk2Se_bmI "Canned Heat"]] by Music/{{Jamiroquai}}.
** The opening guitar riff in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LqTCYxFMlU "Life Will Change"]] sounds like the one in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuR5TYI5Qkg "Emergency on Planet Earth"]] by Jamiroquai.

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* ItWasHisSled: The plot point about [[spoiler:Goro Akechi]] being the one who sold out the protagonist during the Casino heist became well known days before the game was even released, due to datamining of digital preloads of the game. Additionally, there is the reveal of their identity as [[spoiler:Black Mask]] which as of 2019, Atlus no longer even considers worth hiding, as the pre-release trailers for ''[[UpdatedRerelease Royal]]'' feature them in full view in that form.

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The plot point about [[spoiler:Goro Akechi]] being the one who sold out the protagonist during the Casino heist became well known days before the game was even released, due to datamining of digital preloads of the game. Additionally, there is the reveal of their identity as [[spoiler:Black Mask]] which as of 2019, Atlus no longer even considers worth hiding, as the pre-release trailers for ''[[UpdatedRerelease Royal]]'' feature them in full view in that form.form.
** [[spoiler:Shido]] being an antagonist was also a shocker, now everyone knows that too.

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* LowTierLetdown: Ichiko Ohya is considered the worst Confidant in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}''. Her abilities let you reduce the Alert level faster, but that's already easy enough to do, since ambushing a Shadow and defeating it reduces the Alert meter, and ambushing isn't that hard to do. Unless you're ''really'' bad with the stealth mechanics, you're better off spending your time with another Confidant.

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Ichiko Ohya is considered the worst Confidant in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}''.the game for this reason. Her abilities let you reduce the Alert level faster, but that's already easy enough to do, since ambushing a Shadow and defeating it reduces the Alert meter, and ambushing isn't that hard to do. Unless you're ''really'' bad with the stealth mechanics, you're better off spending your time with another Confidant.Confidant.
** Despite having to [[GuideDangIt jump through hoops to unlock it]], many fans are in agreement that Akechi's Tier 3 Persona, Hereward, isn't worth the effort. It's limited to being an EleventhHourSuperpower, as Hereward can only be used against the FinalBoss. The problem is, unlike Yoshizawa's Tier 3 Persona, whose Skills are strong against the final boss, Hereward is ''weak'' to the final boss' Skills, meaning that without proper equipment, Akechi and Hereward end up being a ''hindrance'' during the final fight. As such, the only conceivable use that Hereward has is as a NewGamePlus Persona, which is still limited due to Akechi being mostly a GuestStarPartyMember.
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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The script itself has issues in terms of writing quality and a lot of the lines, especially in the main quest, can be wooden or a bit poorly written, and some of the ''direction'' is also working against them (Atlus Japan themselves dictated the strange pronunciation of a number of the Japanese names, as per WordOfGod), but ''god damn'' if the main cast don't work their hearts out and sell it all anyway. Creator/MaxMittelman, Creator/ErikaHarlacher, Creator/CheramiLeigh, Creator/EricaLindbeck, and Creator/RobbieDaymond (as Ryuji, Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Akechi respectively) are often cited as particularly excellent performances, despite all the hurdles in front of them, Robbie Daymond in particular being praised for his performance when [[spoiler:Akechi snaps before his boss fight]]. For [=NPCs=], the voice acting done by Creator/ElizabethMaxwell, Creator/JamiesonPrice, Creator/MichelleRuff, and Kirsten Potter (as Sae, Sojiro, Kawakami, and Vanilla P5’s Takemi) have received notable praise as well, with their great acting contributing to them being among the most popular characters in the game on par with the main characters. The antagonists also get a fair share of praise, with Creator/DCDouglas, and Creator/KeithSilverstein (as Kamoshida, and [[spoiler:Shido]]) earning high praise for how entertaining they make their villains sound and help bring them up from HateSink bad guys, to LoveToHate villains.

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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The script itself While the game's English localization has its fair share of glaring issues in terms of writing quality due to ExecutiveMeddling by Atlus Japan,[[note]]Per WordOfGod, they mandated a ''very'' literal translation style and a lot of the lines, especially in the main quest, can be wooden or a bit poorly written, and some of the ''direction'' is also working against them (Atlus Japan themselves dictated the strange pronunciation of a number of the Japanese names, as per WordOfGod), but ''god damn'' if the main specific "American sounding" pronunciations for character names[[/note]] its voice cast don't work their hearts out and sell it all anyway. nonetheless does a ''phenomenal'' job selling it. Creator/MaxMittelman, Creator/ErikaHarlacher, Creator/CheramiLeigh, Creator/EricaLindbeck, and Creator/RobbieDaymond (as Ryuji, Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Akechi respectively) are often cited as particularly excellent performances, despite all the hurdles in front of them, them; Robbie Daymond in particular being praised for his performance when [[spoiler:Akechi snaps before his boss fight]]. For [=NPCs=], the voice acting done by Creator/ElizabethMaxwell, Creator/JamiesonPrice, Creator/MichelleRuff, and Kirsten Potter (as Sae, Sojiro, Kawakami, and Vanilla P5’s Takemi) have received notable praise as well, with their great acting contributing to them being among the most popular characters in the game on par with the main characters. The antagonists also get a fair share of praise, with Creator/DCDouglas, and Creator/KeithSilverstein (as Kamoshida, and [[spoiler:Shido]]) earning high praise for how entertaining they make their villains sound and help bring them up from HateSink bad guys, to LoveToHate villains.
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** And speaking of Joker, this is also not the first time in the series where a characters Persona causes them to change clothes and even physical appearance as it was this quirk the original Joker made use of to shift between his alter egos.
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** In a non-shipping example, Lala Escargot is excellent representation, albeit from a minor character. The fact that she seems to be one of the most level headed, responsible, yet still likable adults in the game while being a DragQueen, as well as being both a queer and large person who isn't played for laughs, makes many fans wish she'd gotten a larger role.
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** There was speculation that Ann would be Caucasian, as "Takamaki" is both a Japanese and Finnish surname and thanks to the complicated Kanji in her name, no one really knew if her name was [[SpellMyNameWithAnS "Anne" or "Anzu"]]. Add to this her [[PhenotypeStereotype blue eyes and blonde hair]], which, in a series where blue, red, purple and silver are both natural hair and eye colors, have been reserved for foreigners, such as [[VideoGame/Persona2 Lisa]] (American) and [[VideoGame/Persona3 Bebe]] (French). A profile released shortly after the third trailer revealed one of her grandparent was American, making her [[ButNotTooWhite ¼ Caucasian]]. While it's not clear if she has any Finnish ancestry (although the game reveals she did live in Finland for a time), she ''is'' partly Caucasian as speculated.
** After the fourth trailer revealed her character, many guessed that Futaba was a {{Hikikomori}}, based on her computer expertise and her name being a ShoutOut to [[{{Imageboards}} 2Channel]]. This was confirmed by Famitsu a week later.
** Many fans guessed that the boy seen on a plane in the fourth PV with the Protagonist and Ryuji would be a Confidant. This was confirmed in the July stream as Yuki Mishima, the Moon Arcana.
** Virtually every fan correctly picked The High Priestess as Makoto's Arcana. Ditto for Akechi being Justice.
** Many, many fans correctly called Sae being Makoto's older sister. Granted everyone knew they were related thanks to sharing a last name and the only other possible relation was Sae being her mother.
** Practically ''everyone'' predicted that [[spoiler:Akechi sold the protagonist out during the Niijima's Palace heist]].
** Several predicted that [[spoiler:the molester the protagonist stops in the prologue]] would be the BigBad.
** As soon as the theme for this game's Personas were revealed to be famous literary characters who reflected the thief motif of the Main Characters, everyone immediately predicted one character would have Myth/RobinHood as a Persona. It took a while to be confirmed, but it was eventually revealed to be Akechi's Persona. [[spoiler:Funny enough, the guy who owns the most recognizable Persona (or rather, his namesake) is the SixthRangerTraitor.]]
** A common theory regarding ''Royal'' was that [[spoiler:the events of the third term would involve a LotusEaterMachine scenario]]. And as it turned out, people were right.
** Many people predicted that Goro Akechi would have an expanded role in ''Persona 5 Royal'' due to his popularity [[spoiler:and his apparent HeroicSacrifice in the vanilla game being regarded as poorly written, with many having expecting him to receive a [[RedemptionQuest redemption arc]] instead.]] This theory would be partially confirmed by the [=E3=] trailer for the game [[spoiler:which shows a scene of Haru in the Mona bus with the knee of Akechi's Black Mask form partially visible behind her]] and was later fully confirmed during an August livestream for the game.
** People had long predicted that the game would be coming for the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch before the official announcement was made.
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* ShippingGoggles: There's a group of fans that ship Ryuji with Akechi of all people, despite Ryuji making it very clear that he's never liked Akechi [[spoiler:and Akechi's true colors implying he hates him just as much - it isn't until the third semester that Ryuji actually starts to respect him]]. Fans of this ship tend to use Ryuji's blatant, loud hatred for Akechi as {{Tsundere}} HaveIMentionedIAmHeterosexualToday material.
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** Some of the antagonistic Palace rulers become at least somewhat pitiable in their remorseful states. While he definitely deserves his fate, seeing Shido turned into a sobbing, broken shell of a man is somewhat sad. Especially considering that Shido cannot make amends to [[spoiler:Akechi]] now that he probably wants to.

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* RealismInducedHorror: Part of the reason why [[StarterVillain Suguru Kamoshida]] is considered by players to be the best antagonist of the game is that people like him do exist in real life. Kamoshida is a realistic portrayal of a sexual predator who is given free rein to do whatever he wants under the protection of the system, simply because his talents make him a valuable asset. And unlike future palace rulers who are influential members of society such as a famous artist or head of a company, Kamoshida is just like any other ordinary school teacher that people can encounter on a daily basis.

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Part of the reason why [[StarterVillain Suguru Kamoshida]] is considered by players to be the best antagonist of the game is that people like him do exist in real life. Kamoshida is a realistic portrayal of a sexual predator who is given free rein to do whatever he wants under the protection of the system, simply because his talents make him a valuable asset. And unlike future palace rulers who are influential members of society such as a famous artist or head of a company, Kamoshida is just like any other ordinary school teacher that people can encounter on a daily basis.basis.
** Although the circumstances surrounding him are rather fantastical, with [[spoiler:Yaldabaoth brainwashing the people of Japan to worship him]], there's a rather real horror behind [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido]]: a politician who's ruined the lives of many in his rise to power, uses his connections to keep him from being found out, and is [[VillainWithGoodPublicity beloved by the public]] so much that nobody is willing to stop him once he's accused of his crimes because they feel his political influence is [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans what the country needs]]. Even outside of Japan, politicians such as [[spoiler:Shido]] are already in charge of their countries, and have managed to let their crimes go unnoticed.



** Royal's 3rd semester ArcVillain is, in-universe, treated as a misguided WellIntentionedExtremist at ''worst'', and has a HeelRealization after their boss fight. While the darker implications of [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul their methods]] are pointed out in-canon and opposed by the Phantom Thieves, a small subset of the fandom find them so disturbing they paint this character as just as much of a monster as the other targets, and see their stubborn belief in these methods as evidence [[FauxAffablyEvil they only PRETEND to be nice]]. Less flattering portrayals are especially common in Joker/Yoshizawa shipping stories, to give the couple a clear antagonist and some CatharsisFactor for [[spoiler: her spending months under his brainwashing]]. [[labelnote:note]]In-canon, while Sumire agrees this wasn't healthy in the long term, she does admit it helped stave off her depression for a time, and as such doesn't resent Maruki for it.[[/labelnote]]

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** Royal's 3rd semester ArcVillain is, in-universe, treated as a misguided WellIntentionedExtremist at ''worst'', and has a HeelRealization after their boss fight. While the darker implications of [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul their methods]] are pointed out in-canon and opposed by the Phantom Thieves, a small subset of the fandom find them so disturbing they paint this character as just as much of a monster as the other targets, and see their stubborn belief in these methods as evidence [[FauxAffablyEvil they only PRETEND to be nice]]. Less flattering portrayals are especially common in Joker/Yoshizawa shipping stories, to give the couple a clear antagonist and some CatharsisFactor for [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her spending months under his brainwashing]]. brainwashing]].[[labelnote:note]]In-canon, while Sumire agrees this wasn't healthy in the long term, she does admit it helped stave off her depression for a time, and as such doesn't resent Maruki for it.[[/labelnote]]
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** Despite interacting only a few times, Yuuki and Shiho tend to get paired together a lot, mostly due to the abuse they both suffered at the hands of Kamoshida.

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** Despite interacting only a few times, Yuuki Mishima and Shiho tend to get paired together a lot, mostly due to the abuse they both suffered at the hands of Kamoshida.
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** You know from the beginning of the game that someone betrayed you, so the only question is who. As detailed under CaptainObviousReveal and TheUntwist, it isn't hard to figure out that it's [[spoiler:Akechi, who's the last person to join your party, his Confidant bonuses not showing him being able to learn Endure next, something every other party member has, is the one most vocally opposed to the Thieves' methods; the one who didn't get a commercial, and he doesn't appear in the opening movie despite his presence on the game's box art and title screen. Even his DLC costumes don't try to hide this, with him having costumes such as [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf Ideo Hazama]], [[VideoGame/Persona2 Jun Kurosu]], [[VideoGame/{{Catherine}} Thomas Mutton]], and [[VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy General Munakata]], all major antagonists of their respective games.]]

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** You know from the beginning of the game that someone betrayed you, so the only question is who. As detailed under CaptainObviousReveal and TheUntwist, it isn't hard to figure out that it's [[spoiler:Akechi, who's the last person to join your party, his Confidant bonuses not showing him being able to learn Endure next, something every other party member has, is the one most vocally opposed to the Thieves' methods; the one who didn't get a commercial, and he doesn't appear in the opening movie in the Vanilla version despite his presence on the game's box art and title screen. Even his DLC costumes don't try to hide this, with him having costumes such as [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIf Ideo Hazama]], [[VideoGame/Persona2 Jun Kurosu]], [[VideoGame/{{Catherine}} Thomas Mutton]], and [[VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy General Munakata]], all major antagonists of their respective games.]]
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** The day after Valentine's Day in ''Royal'', you get chocolate from ''every single girl'' whose confidant you have finished but aren't dating. Throughout the entire day, each girl will stop you one by one to give you chocolate for up to 10 separate events, with the women who are unrelated to Shujin Academy taking the time to specifically track you down just to give you chocolate. It can feel gratuitous and unnecessary, especially they have little practical use as [[spoiler:you are in the post-final boss epilogue, and they are essentially Master Coffee but with a unique name for NG+]]. To make it more gratuitous, literally nothing else happens that day. It's just a slow parade of receiving platonic chocolate.

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** The day after Valentine's Day in ''Royal'', you get chocolate from ''every single girl'' whose confidant you have finished but aren't dating. Throughout the entire day, each girl will stop you one by one to give you chocolate for up to 10 separate events, with the women who are unrelated to Shujin Academy taking the time to specifically track you down just to give you chocolate. It can feel gratuitous and unnecessary, especially as they have little practical use as [[spoiler:you are in the post-final boss epilogue, and they are essentially Master Coffee but with a unique name for NG+]]. To make it more gratuitous, literally nothing else happens that day. It's just a slow parade of receiving platonic chocolate.

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