History YMMV / Payday2

** Bain is far less likeable in this game since he's TakenALevelInJerkass (he never apologizes to the team if they fail, for one thing), is the creator of [[ScrappyMechanic Crime.Net]], he never shuts up, and his cleaner costs for killing civilians (which in stealth operations will almost certainly be necessary) is much higher. Many players fantasize killing him at the end of the game's life cycle.
* ScrappyMechanic: The revamped EXP points system. Heists that you haven't played in a while will get a boosted amount of EXP you can earn (up to 50%) while heists you keep playing over and over has your EXP gains reduced (up to 100% possibly). This makes leveling up harder to achieve since EXP boosters apply to individual difficulties as well, so it can be quite insulting to see a 50% booster being applied to a heist that has a low EXP rate and is on Normal difficulty.

* PlayerPreferredPattern: In the 3rd day of Framing Frames, nearly everyone insists on stealthing the level so they can grab the gold and escape with little resistance.

** [=HoxHUD=] is a GameMod that works as an anti-cheat system and gives the player more information on their HUD regarding number of cops dominated, how many drills are in use, etc. While many people are in favor of anti-cheats and a HUD that can show more info than the vanilla HUD, just as many others oppose the mod and claim that using an enhanced HUD is akin to cheating.

** Patch 13 introduced street cops wielding the [[HandCannon Bronco .44]]. The Bronco cops can instantly destroy your armor in one shot no matter what type of armor you wear and can instantly down you on the second shot if your armor hasn't regenerated yet. Yes, you have normal cops that are more dangerous than the Bulldozer.

** [[spoiler: A trailer showcasing a new contract for the crew reveals he wants Old Hoxton released (real name Jim Hoxworth) as much as the crew does and he has plans for the crew to stage a prison breakout.]]

* PlayerPreferredPattern: In the 3rd day of Framing Frames, nearly everyone insists on stealthing the level so they can grab the gold and escape with little resistance. If the stealth fails, expect people to either suicide for a restart or just RageQuit since no one wants to stick around for the harder hacking objective while being swarmed by cops.

*** Enforcer: Transporter (move faster when carrying bags and acing it lets you throw bags farther), Bulletstorm (gain infinite ammo for a few seconds after deploying an ammo bag), Die Hard (use main weapon while in bleedout), Ammunition Specialist (carry 2 ammo bags with higher capacity), Portable Saw (unlocks the saw, which you need to cut doors open), and Iron Man (unlocks the top tier body armor).
*** Technician: Hardware Expert (fix the drill faster and acing it gives the drill a chance to restart itself), Drill Sergeant (drill takes less time to finish and acing it makes it even faster), Shaped Charge (acing it convert your trip mines to C4 to blow up doors and safes), and Bulletproof (greatly increases the durability of your armor, and if aced makes your whole team's armor regenerate faster).

*** Day 1 requires you to steal intel from a gang. Getting caught before gathering it all means the gang will try to burn it, and since it tends to be on three/four separate floors, you need to be stealthy or carefully plan an assault. Failure turns Day 2 into a guessing game. Made worse on the PC versions as a bug caused the intel to be worthless, always showing the same information no mater what the actual information is.

**** It is not as bad as it sounds if you know where to look. To figure out the right engine, you only need three infos (gas, amount of nozzles and pressure) and all three can be found via notes spread on Day 2. Looking for said notes might even be easier than the intel, which can actually contain ''wrong infos'' at times.

*** Day 1 is easily the hardest day of the three as, upon finding the client's crystal meth cooks are dead, the group has to make meth whilst fighting off cops. Did someone use the wrong ingredient or do anything in the wrong order? ''The meth lab explodes, setting the entire second floor aflame and incapping anyone caught by surprise.'' It doesn't help that Bain can either be confusing with what to put in by fumbling between ingredients or combining names, or he'll tell you the wrong ingredient completely on the first time he's saying which ingredient to put in. The best way around this is either to wait for Bain to say the ingredient again (which 9 times out of 10 he'll be very specific) or if you have another player, you both agree he said the same ingredient.
*** Day 2 is not much better. If you have no meth, then the gangsters will open fire and try to burn their intel before you can reach it. If you don't have ''enough'' meth, if a player does one of several things (such as try to take the meth back or point a gun around), [[LuckBasedMission if the gangsters just decide to screw you over, or if the cops get wind of the deal,]] then they may or may not open fire because you've cheated them on a deal, forcing you to fight through them anyway.
*** Day 3 requires killing a bunch of gangsters and stealing their loot. However, should you fail to diffuse the bombs, then any bags you failed to save will be destroyed, significantly reducing your PAYDAY prize.
** Armored Transport. All of the variations of the heist has cops swarming in from every which way and they all spawn close to you, meaning you will be under fire a ''lot''. Downtown and Park is even worse due to cover being almost non existent. All the maps for Armored Transport require you to move bags of jewelry, money or gold across a good distance, so have fun being shot at while trying to move bags.

*** Sadly patched out after people complained it made the game too easy, due to the logic for figuring out if you can revive someone being the exact same logic allowing you to grab bags through walls.

*** Technician: Hardware Expert (fix the drill faster and acing it gives the drill a chance to restart itself), Drill Sergeant (drill takes less time to finish and acing it makes it even faster), and Shaped Charge (acing it convert your trip mines to C4 to blow up doors and safes).
*** Ghost: Fast Hands (lets you pick up bags faster and acing it boosts it further), Chameleon (lets you mark guards and cameras in casing mode and reduces your visibility), Sprinter (decreases Stamina recharge time and increases Stamina recharge rate, as well as sprinting movement and dodge rate), Shinobi (increases general movement speed), and Cleaner (marking an EliteMook gives you a damage bonus to the mook, buy the body bag asset, and acing the skill lets you carry 2 body bags).

** Hot Lava 2.0 is quite difficult for the first day in Election Day. You have to reach and use the computer without ever touching the ground, which means you'll have to use boxes and freight containers as platforms to jump to and it's quite easy to angle your jumps wrong or to time your jumps wrong and fall down.

*** Day 1 requires you to steal intel from a gang. Getting caught before gathering it all means the gang will try to burn it, and since it tends to be on three/four separate floors, you need to be stealthy or carefully plan an assault. Failure turns Day 2 into a guessing game.

* FanDumb:
** The beta access. The developers randomly picked players from the PAYDAY: The Secret group (around 40 people) to give them access to the beta early as the focus test group where they played the game to stress test connections to other players and possible syncing issues. Everyone else outside of the group loudly complained that they shouldn't have to wait so long to play the beta (reserved for people who pre ordered the more expensive version of the game), fearing that they won't have a lot of time to play the beta if it comes too close to the release of the final version. Other people from the Secret group complained that they weren't picked to play the game early. Most of the people complaining about the beta fail to realize that not everything will be open to play in the beta and that playing a beta version of the game is supposed to be for testing and not actually playing normally. Despite the developers saying they can't give a release date on the beta until everything is good to go, people still demanded a date for the beta.
*** Got to the point where people started to demand refunds for their pre-order purchase, which means [[WhatAnIdiot people are giving up a ton of pre-order bonuses just because they can't play the beta sooner.]] Even after one of the developers spoke up and explained why Overkill can't release the beta right away, the fan dumb ''still'' demanded for the beta to be released immediately and a few others accused the developer of lying.
*** Even after the beta was released, people were still not satisfied. Despite Overkill clearly stating several times that some updates to the beta will cause progressions to be erased and the final version of the game doing the same thing, people still complain about losing their progress without stopping to think that changes to the skills and weapons systems in terms of unlocking could cause ''more'' bugs if they are loaded from a save file pre patch.
** There also groups of people making petitions to get the old voice actor of Hoxton, Pete Gold, back for his role in ''PAYDAY 2'' just because [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks they hate the new character that is Hoxton]]. [[https://twitter.com/SimonViklund/status/364325602666360832 A developer commented that the costs to get the old voice actor back would be expensive and passed onto the consumer]], but the complainers think it's just an excuse. Some people even went as far as bugging Pete Gold about how much it would cost to recast him for the role of Hoxton, which made an Overkill developer unhappy to see people potentially harassing someone.
** The release of ''PAYDAY 2'' came under a ''massive'' firestorm of whining and complaining due to several issues the game was released with, such as the game crashing frequently for people or certain mission assets not working properly. Some of the problems were fixed right away while the rest needed time to iron out. People declared Overkill to be lazy and greedy while an Overkill developer fired back by basically saying "We're working on the issues, so please stop acting like jerks to me and everyone else around you."
*** The fans also attacked the developers themselves when they spoke up and said that the game was complete and nothing was cut out other than a special enemy unit (it was buggy), accusing the developers of lying and using false advertising.
*** There's also a slew of constant topics in the forums that are complaining about ''something'' in the game, whether it's something they want nerfed, something they want buffed, demanding more levels, wanting kicking removed, or anything else. It's hard to find topics that just talk about the game and not complain about something. Naturally, if you try to point this out, you get attacked yourself.
** Patch 11 caused a ton of bugs, namely all armor having no defense value and certain enemies having ''triple'' damage. The same patch was also supposed to increase the difficulty of [[HarderThanHard Overkill]]. People complained about the bugs that made the game harder all around, but some people took the bugs as a feature, liking them, and told everyone else to stop sucking at the game.
** A shining example of the fan base's selfishness came to light after Overkill donated $11,000 to someone's charity. The someone in question was Pewdiepie, who apparently is "liked" on YouTube as much as JustinBieber (not very much). Fans who saw the announcement trashed Overkill for donating to Pewdiepie's charity, saying he doesn't deserve it, and others even said that Overkill should have used the money to further ''PAYDAY 2''.
** On the anniversary of ''VideoGame/PAYDAYTheHeist'' (2 years old by 2013), Overkill launched a gambling feature in ''PAYDAY 2'' for a limited time where player can spend their off shore money to gamble on specific loot drop categories. The result was many fans (who had absolutely no idea on how gambling works) crying that the system was broken because they couldn't get specific items while other fans trashed the developers for "adding so little" to the game.
** ''PAYDAY 2'' also has a few items in the game that can only be used as long as you're a part of the official ''PAYDAY 2'' Steam group. Joining the group only takes a few seconds to do and there's the few announcements that pop up once a week. Naturally, the fan dumb complained about being "forced" to join a group for exclusive items and called the method behind it as lazy.
** When Overkill showed a preview snapshot of a new heist they were going to release in December in ''PAYDAY 2'', the fans quickly noticed that the map was the same level from Valve's ''Counter Strike Global Offensive'' and loudly complained that Overkill was being lazy (despite the fact that Valve worked on the map with Overkill). Some fans even went on to say that they would rage at Overkill if the map was paid DLC. Once the trailer for the map was launched, Overkill launched a TakeThat in the form of a newsfeed in the trailer that basically said "Game company releases free content, internet outraged."
** The release of light machine guns in a DLC had one of them be the Brenner, which was also used in the first game. Cue fans moaning how the Brenner should be free because it was in the first game.
** The weapon pack [=DLCs=] cause many jaded fans to denounce Overkill as lazy and greedy sellouts that would rather make quick cash ins instead of working on new maps, despite the fact that Overkill has released a new map almost after every weapon pack DLC and for free to boot.
** 7 day heists was an idea Overkill toyed around with for PAYDAY 2 and it can still be seen on the loadout interface to this day. However, Overkill put the idea of heists going beyond 3 days on the backburner due to a mountain of problems a super long heist could cause (connection issues, rewards balance issues, players trolling by kicking people out at the final day, having to create 7 maps that may or may not reuse assets, etc). The fan base believes that because there's 7 days on the loadout interface, Overkill should "keep its promise" and release a 7 day heist.
*** On a similar note, safe house customization was discussed before the launch of the game, but it was also put in the back burner as a low priority while Overkill focused more on new content like more maps. Fans demand that Overkill should step up and give them the ability to customize their safe house, even though you can't invite people to see it and it would offer little value to the game overall.
** The Big Bank DLC were met with complaints due to its price and supposed lack of content. This is coming from the same people who kept complaining that there were no new maps to play on and how they would be willing to pay for a new map just so they can have something different or better to play on.
** Paid DLC in general. Any new content that has to be paid for will always be met with complaints, despite the fact that Overkill already said plenty of times that not every new piece of content will be free. Weapon packs? Should have been in the game to begin with. New maps? Not worth the money. If there's any actual free content involved, [[ComplainingAboutThingsYouHaventPaidFor people will whine about that as well]].
** The entire fandom can be categorized in a few sections: Chicken Littles keep fearing that any change to the game will be RuinedForever. Little Bearers absolutely hate the fans and fear the developers listen to them too much. Loyalist Complainers will ''chronically'' whine about anything added or changed to the game and will trash anyone who dares to actually like the game without admitting any faults. Mainstream Militants will go apeshit if the game goes on sale because they don't want to deal with people who didn't play the game from day 1. Old Timers will constantly complain how the game should cater to them because they been with the game since the beginning. Unpleasable Fan speaks for itself.

* TheyJustDidntCare: Aside from a few more screams, female civilians use the exact same scream sounds from the previous game, despite the developers likely having a bigger budget that could be used to actually hire a female voice actor.

* PortingDisaster: The Xbox and Playstation ports. Besides a few major, free updates, the console versions are seriously trailing behind in a way that parallels the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' console fiasco.[[note]]After a couple of hundred PC updates, the most recent TF2 console update was for the Xbox 360 in '''2009'''.[[/note]]
** Made worse by the reasoning too: Xbox 360 users were told it was an issue of Microsoft's ExecutiveMeddling seen with TF2's frequent-yet-sizeable updates; Playstation 3 users were told they would be up to date come early 2014, which turned into [[ShrugOfGod "when it's ready."]]

* AwesomeMusic: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-neZkunpE various]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0gJgH1HGyY catchy]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWkqvRaR8hk tracks]] played during police assaults slowly turn into an EarWorm in your mind as you spend more time playing. Getting UpToEleven lately: the The Dentist trailer has an (awesome) [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcMDJ1jEou8 original track]] and the Big Bank trailer introduced an ''opera'' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul0YbD1AIeE soundtrack]] which plays in the heist itself and with the chorus starting during police assaults' climaxes, often creating [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome Crowning Moments of Awesome]].

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The sequel manages to up the first game. Unlike the first game, the music isn't fixed to a given level, and when the game is moving towards assault phase, the music starts ramping up accordingly instead of Bain telling you how much time you have left.

*** Day 3 requires stealing intel from a senator or (should you fail the stealth) uploading incriminating data to his computer. However, the biggest pain arises from the senator's gold vault; should the team ever be discovered, even if they've already secured one or more bags of gold, the rest must be abandoned and the stealth approach must be dropped. Naturally, these can mean a misstep of one person can leave the team without the achievement/trophy and with only a fraction of what they could have stolen.

*** Ghost: Fast Hands (lets you pick up bags faster and acing it boosts it further), Chameleon (lets you mark guards and cameras in casing mode and reduces your visibility), Nine Lives (lets you go into bleedout 4 times instead of 3), and Cleaner (marking an EliteMook gives you a damage bonus to the mook, buy the body bag asset, and acing the skill lets you carry 2 body bags).

** One can spend as much spendable money as possible on spare weapons before upgrading to Infamy statous (as well as giving up every skill for even more spendable money), and then after upgrading, sell said weapons. An easy way to not be broke upon becoming infamous.

** The reveal of the Shadow Heist broke the fandom again once it was learned that the heist would be stealth only, meaning if you get caught, you only have one minute to get the loot and get the hell out or risk failing the heist. Many people hated the idea of heists instantly failing you if you get caught in stealth and also feel like anyone who didn't invest in the Ghost skill tree are being punished. The people in favor of the mechanics found the change to be a very welcoming challenge and feel anyone who really wants to stealth the heist should just redo their skill loadouts to be more stealth focused.

* AndTheFandomRejoiced: [[spoiler: A trailer showing off a new contract revealed that breaking out old Hoxton from jail is real and was coming soon.]]

* PortingDisaster: The Xbox and Playstation ports. Besides a few major, free updates, the console versions are seriously trailing behind in a way that parallels the ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' console fiasco.[[note]]After a couple of hundred PC updates, the most recent TF2 console update was for the Xbox 360 in '''2009'''.[[/notes]]