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* QuestionableCasting: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.feelings.
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to Naomi. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
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* UncertainAudience: It's a teen mystery series that has the trappings of the DC universe, but is not part of the main Arrowverse. A lot of Arrowverse fans skipped it because it had no relevance to the rest of the Arrowverse, while a lot fans of teen mystery shows skipped it because of its absurdly complicated plot. Add in a title that gave little indication of what the show was about, and the show had a very hard time finding an audience.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that[[spoiler: Greg [[spoiler:Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to Naomi. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning herfeelings.feelings.
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her
* WTHCastingAgency: A big reason why Lourdes was controversial among fans was because the show cast an obviously-adult actress in the role, which made her advances on Naomi seem a lot more predatory than intended.
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Misuse. Not a moment. Narm has to be a moment.
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* {{Narm}}: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the BigBad of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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** Also, given that the multiverse is an important part of the plot, it would have been amazing for her to interact with heroes from other universes. Sadly, this will probably never come to pass.
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** Also, given that the multiverse is an important part of the plot, it would have been amazing for her to interact with CW heroes from other universes.universes, such as the Flash. Sadly, this will probably never come to pass.
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* {{Narm}}: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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* {{Narm}}: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the [[BigBad Big Bad]] BigBad of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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This doesn’t seem to be an example. If she apologizes and fills him in, then that tells me it is supposed to be the wrong and therefore not sympathetic.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship. This causes [[spoiler: him to give her a WhatTheHellHero speech in "Worst Prom Ever," and she apologizes and fills him in]].
** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship. This causes [[spoiler: him to give her a WhatTheHellHero speech in "Worst Prom Ever," and she apologizes and fills him in]].
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings. \n** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship. This causes [[spoiler: him to give her a WhatTheHellHero speech in "Worst Prom Ever," and she apologizes and fills him in]].
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* Narm: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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* Narm: {{Narm}}: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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*Narm: Throughout the show, several characters, mainly the adults, make reference to the [[BigBad Big Bad]] of the show whose name happens to be Brutus. That's right, as in Brutus/Bluto from ''Franchise/{{Popeye}}''. It becomes really hard to take the show seriously when they take the name of such a silly/comedic character and use it in such a dramatic and intense meaning.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ''ComicBook/NewGods'' film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as Brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ''ComicBook/NewGods'' film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind would be fine if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as Brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as Brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods ''ComicBook/NewGods'' film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as Brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as brutus Brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips. Comes ''Naomi'', which is produced by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as brutus in the final episode.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: Creator/RayPorter and Creator/AvaDuVernay had a very cordial Website/{{Twitter}} exchange in early 2021 concerning [[Characters/NewGodsDarkseid Darkseid]], who appeared in ''Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague'' and was voiced by Porter. Porter expressed support to the (since cancelled) ComicBook/NewGods film project of [=DuVernay=] and assured her he wouldn't mind if she chose someone else to play the Dark Lord of Apokolips. Apokolips, and she thanked him. Comes ''Naomi'', which is produced was created by [=DuVernay=], and Porter has a sizeable role as brutus in the final episode.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: So many, thanks to the story being cut short. Will Naomi ever defeat Brutus? Will Dee reunite with his lost love?
** Also, given that the multiverse is an important part of the plot, it would have been amazing for her to interact with heroes from other universes. Sadly, this will probably never come to pass.
** Also, given that the multiverse is an important part of the plot, it would have been amazing for her to interact with heroes from other universes. Sadly, this will probably never come to pass.
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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: In 1x11, Naomi is faced with a choice of whether to save her friends or a much larger group of her classmates. The only way it's possible for her to do both would be to use super speed, which she's shown no signs of manifesting before then. Despite this, after an encouraging speech, she's somehow not only able to move at super speed, but fast enough to cross an entire school building in the space of about a second.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to her. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to her.Naomi. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes' end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes' Lourdes's end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
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** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship.
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** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship. This causes [[spoiler: him to give her a WhatTheHellHero speech in "Worst Prom Ever," and she apologizes and fills him in]].
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to her. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to her. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.quickly.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes' end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In the same episode, Lourdes acts as if Naomi is "betraying" her when she doesn't want to kiss, asking if Naomi was "only using me for a ride and then to hang out at the coffee shop." Naomi never made a move on her, almost all the flirting has been from Lourdes' end, and Naomi does have a boyfriend. Lourdes then starts gaslighting her and blaming ''her'' for not returning her feelings.
** Naomi herself can fall victim to this in regards to Nathan. She tells him that she wants to date, but isn't willing to open up about the sensitive emotional issues in her life and the things she's going through, then gets upset when he's annoyed she starts keeping him at a distance. If she wasn't willing to be open and honest with him, she shouldn't have restarted the relationship.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: When it comes out that [[spoiler: Greg and Jennifer are aliens]], they're treated as being terrible for lying to her. It's hard for some viewers to take that seriously, given that they very clearly are doing it out of love for her and to give her a normal life. Both Dee and Zumbado have been leaving her alone for the same reason, and then things escalated very quickly.
