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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers complained that instead he spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better. It should be noted that Jon has said on several occasions that ''New Vegas'' is his favourite game of all time, though that hasn't stopped people disagreeing with his criticisms of it in that video.
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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers complained that instead he spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better. It should be noted however, that Jon has said that ''New Vegas'' is his favourite game of all time before, though that didn't stop people disagreeing with his criticisms of it in that video.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers complained that instead he spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better. It should be noted however, that Jon has said on several occasions that ''New Vegas'' is his favourite game of all time before, time, though that didn't stop hasn't stopped people disagreeing with his criticisms of it in that video.
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I thought it would only be fair to mention that, though he might criticise it in his Fallout 3 is better than you think video, New Vegas is his favourite game.


* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers complained that instead he spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers complained that instead he spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better. It should be noted however, that Jon has said that ''New Vegas'' is his favourite game of all time before, though that didn't stop people disagreeing with his criticisms of it in that video.
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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers felt he actually spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. To them, it comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas''.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try explaining its positives, some viewers felt complained that instead he actually spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. To them, it loot, and then using that to say ''3'' was better. It comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas''.Vegas'' meant to make ''3'' look better.
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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, some viewers felt he actually spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. To them, it comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas''.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, explaining its positives, some viewers felt he actually spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. To them, it comes across not as a defense of ''Fallout 3'', but rather a criticism of ''New Vegas''.

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Seeing a lot of promotion for a particular "rival" You Tuber I've never heard of. Removing specific references to that person and also cleaning up some viewpoints for easier understanding.


* FandomRivalry: Ever since his "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think" video, his fanbase has gained a rivalry with many other Fallout Youtubers such as Creetosis.
* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned a lot of criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, he spends most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. It comes across not as a defense of the game, but rather a critisism of ''New Vegas'', which isn't helped by the many flat out incorrect arguments and points he argues. Even people who like his content felt the video was not very well thought out. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis Youtuber Creetosis]] would discuss this in depth in a video that he made to try and debunk, and deconstruct, Jon's argument throughout.

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* FandomRivalry: Ever since his "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think" video, his fanbase has gained a rivalry with many other Fallout Youtubers such as Creetosis.
* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]] video earned a lot of criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, some viewers felt he spends actually spent most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. It loot. To them, it comes across not as a defense of the game, ''Fallout 3'', but rather a critisism criticism of ''New Vegas'', which isn't helped by the many flat out incorrect arguments and points he argues. Even people who like his content felt the video was not very well thought out. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis Youtuber Creetosis]] would discuss this in depth in a video that he made to try and debunk, and deconstruct, Jon's argument throughout. Vegas''.
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* MemeticMutation: "-1 Perception". Jon often has the stunning ability to [[FailedASpotCheck miss the blindingly obvious]], and then get caught off-guard when the things he missed come back to bite him. He always has at least several of these (often many more) in most games, although the area where it's most obvious is in strategy-focused genres and other games where decision-making is most integral.

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* MemeticMutation: "-1 Perception". Jon often has the stunning ability to [[FailedASpotCheck miss the blindingly obvious]], and then get caught off-guard when the things he missed come back to bite him. He always has at least several of these (often many more) in most games, although the area where it's most obvious is in strategy-focused genres and other games where decision-making is most integral.integral.
* TearJerker: The passing of Jon and Claire's beloved cat, Tabby, on June 5th, 2022. Several kingdoms, empires, and cities in games were named after her, she was frequently mentioned in livestreams, and pictures of her were often posted as rewards on Patreon. MATN fans were quick to pass along condolences.
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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]]''' video earned a lot of criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, he spends most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. It comes across not as a defense of the game, but rather a critisism of ''New Vegas'', which isn't helped by the many flat out incorrect arguments and points he argues. Even people who like his content felt the video was not very well thought out. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis Youtuber Creetosis]] would discuss this in depth in a video that he made to try and debunk, and deconstruct, Jon's argument throughout.

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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]]''' Think"]] video earned a lot of criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, he spends most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. It comes across not as a defense of the game, but rather a critisism of ''New Vegas'', which isn't helped by the many flat out incorrect arguments and points he argues. Even people who like his content felt the video was not very well thought out. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis Youtuber Creetosis]] would discuss this in depth in a video that he made to try and debunk, and deconstruct, Jon's argument throughout.

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* BrokenBase: Six Words; '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]]'''. Is it a well-made video essay trying to vindicate and make sense of ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' and it's flaws? Or is it just a cheap, nitpicky, and poorly-researched video that tried too hard to make good of the serious flaw that plagued the game while glossing the others? Doesn't help that he keeps drawing a lot of comparison to ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for no particular reason other than to make 3 sounds better than it's successor, as this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis 8-hour long video by Creetosis]] would debunk and deconstruct Jon's argument throughout.


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* HePannedItNowHeSucks: His [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think"]]''' video earned a lot of criticism for this reason. Despite being a video that was meant to praise ''3'' and try and tell you why it was actually good, he spends most of the video criticizing ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for random reasons, such as it not having dungeons, the handling of the story, or things as arbitrary as loot. It comes across not as a defense of the game, but rather a critisism of ''New Vegas'', which isn't helped by the many flat out incorrect arguments and points he argues. Even people who like his content felt the video was not very well thought out. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis Youtuber Creetosis]] would discuss this in depth in a video that he made to try and debunk, and deconstruct, Jon's argument throughout.
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* BrokenBase: Six Words; [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "'''Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think'''"]]. Is it a well-made video essay trying to vindicate and make sense of ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' and it's flaws? Or is it just a cheap, nitpicky, and poorly-researched video that tried too hard to make good of the serious flaw that plagued the game while glossing the others? Doesn't help that he keeps drawing a lot of comparison to ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for no particular reason other than to make 3 sounds better than it's successor, as this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis 8-hour long video by Creetosis]] would debunk and deconstruct Jon's argument throughout.

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* BrokenBase: Six Words; [[https://www.'''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "'''Fallout "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think'''"]].Think"]]'''. Is it a well-made video essay trying to vindicate and make sense of ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' and it's flaws? Or is it just a cheap, nitpicky, and poorly-researched video that tried too hard to make good of the serious flaw that plagued the game while glossing the others? Doesn't help that he keeps drawing a lot of comparison to ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for no particular reason other than to make 3 sounds better than it's successor, as this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis 8-hour long video by Creetosis]] would debunk and deconstruct Jon's argument throughout.

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* DesignatedHero: Jon calls out Damocles in ''Ryse'' as one, pointing out his suicidal charge into enemy lines was entirely his own fault for not falling back and standing with his fellow soldiers.

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* BrokenBase: Six Words; [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE&ab_channel=ManyATrueNerd "'''Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think'''"]]. Is it a well-made video essay trying to vindicate and make sense of ''VideoGame/Fallout3'' and it's flaws? Or is it just a cheap, nitpicky, and poorly-researched video that tried too hard to make good of the serious flaw that plagued the game while glossing the others? Doesn't help that he keeps drawing a lot of comparison to ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' for no particular reason other than to make 3 sounds better than it's successor, as this [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMhsmBGbIv0&t=2s&ab_channel=Creetosis 8-hour long video by Creetosis]] would debunk and deconstruct Jon's argument throughout.
* DesignatedHero: Jon calls out Damocles in ''Ryse'' ''VideoGame/RyseSonOfRome'' as one, pointing out his suicidal charge into enemy lines was entirely his own fault for not falling back and standing with his fellow soldiers.


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* FandomRivalry: Ever since his "Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think" video, his fanbase has gained a rivalry with many other Fallout Youtubers such as Creetosis.
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* Memetic Mutation: "-1 Perception". Jon often has the stunning ability to [[FailedASpotCheck miss the blindingly obvious]], and then get caught off-guard when the things he missed come back to bite him. He always has at least several of these (often many more) in most games, although the area where it's most obvious is in strategy-focused genres and other games where decision-making is most integral.

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* Memetic Mutation: MemeticMutation: "-1 Perception". Jon often has the stunning ability to [[FailedASpotCheck miss the blindingly obvious]], and then get caught off-guard when the things he missed come back to bite him. He always has at least several of these (often many more) in most games, although the area where it's most obvious is in strategy-focused genres and other games where decision-making is most integral.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Jon's ''New Vegas'' Kill Everything run, while enjoyable, ended up being somewhat mundane due to how straightforward the kills were, and he rushed through the game without going to most of the side locations or any of the DLC zones. The ''Fallout 3'' Kill Everything run, on the other hand, is [[CrossesTheLineTwice significantly funnier]], more creative in its kills, and has 30 episodes compared to ''Vegas''' 12.

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* EvenBetterSequel: Jon's ''New Vegas'' Kill Everything run, while enjoyable, ended up being somewhat mundane due to how straightforward the kills were, and he rushed through the game without going to most of the side locations or any of the DLC zones. The ''Fallout 3'' Kill Everything run, on the other hand, is [[CrossesTheLineTwice significantly funnier]], more creative in its kills, and has 30 episodes compared to ''Vegas''' 12.12.
* Memetic Mutation: "-1 Perception". Jon often has the stunning ability to [[FailedASpotCheck miss the blindingly obvious]], and then get caught off-guard when the things he missed come back to bite him. He always has at least several of these (often many more) in most games, although the area where it's most obvious is in strategy-focused genres and other games where decision-making is most integral.
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Moving it to the Awesome Moments page.


* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Pretty much the entirety of his ''Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think'' video, which is an extended video essay where he deconstructs several arguments against the game, calls out the hypocrisy of some of the more vocal criticisms, and praises ''Fallout 3'' and how it serves as an excellent Fallout game.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Pretty much the entirety of his ''Fallout 3 Is Better Than You Think'' video, which is an extended video essay where he deconstructs several arguments against the game, calls out the hypocrisy of some of the more vocal criticisms, and praises ''Fallout 3'' and how it serves as an excellent Fallout game.
* DesignatedHero: Jon calls out Damocles in ''Ryse'' as one, pointing out his suicidal charge into enemy lines was entirely his own fault for not falling back and standing with his fellow soldiers.
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* EvenBetterSequel: Jon's ''New Vegas'' Kill Everything run, while enjoyable, ended up being somewhat mundane due to how straightforward the kills were, and he rushed through the game without going to most of the side locations or any of the DLC zones. The ''Fallout 3'' Kill Everything run, on the other hand, is [[CrossesTheLineTwice significantly funnier]], more creative in its kills, and has 30 episodes compared to ''Vegas''' 12.

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