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* FandomBerserkButton: * The ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' was written by Steven Erikson, not Steve Erickson, Stephen Erickson, or even Erik Stevenson. To add insult to injury, a good number of people who cannot be bothered to take a look at the cover are those who claim he cannot write worth a damn.

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* FandomBerserkButton: * The ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' was written by Steven Erikson, not Steve Erickson, Stephen Erickson, or even Erik Stevenson. To add insult to injury, a good number of people who cannot be bothered to take a look at the cover are those who claim he cannot write worth a damn.
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* FandomBerserkButton: * The ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' was written by Steven Erikson, not Steve Erickson, Stephen Erickson, or even Erik Stevenson. To add insult to injury, a good number of people who cannot be bothered to take a look at the cover are those who claim he cannot write worth a damn.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Cotillion and Udinaas are quite popular.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Cotillion and Udinaas are quite popular.popular. The former quite openly, the latter having a cult following little talked about.
** Torvald Nom, who only shows up briefly in ''House of Chains'', has gained a ''lot'' of popularity, spawning forum rants about how badass he is [[http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952]]. In ''Toll the Hounds'', be becomes an AscendedExtra, with his own minor storyline.
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**[[spoiler:Coltaine's death on the crucifix.]]
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* FandomRivalry: Some with ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' the other major GenreDeconstruction of HighFantasy. The authors themselves are on friendly terms, and have tried to discourage any thoughts of competition.
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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, Bauchelain and Korbal Broach, propably all sapers...

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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, Bauchelain and Korbal Broach, propably probably all sapers...sapers...
** [[spoiler: As we see in TheCrippledGod, after becoming Master of the Deck, Captain Ganoes isn't afraid to come to talk to dangerous enemy commander, just to see what person she is, and piss her off just by talking... and he gets away with it!]]



** Sums up everyone's behaviour around Kallor. First they let the psycho into their army, then they mock and belittle him. Brilliant move, people.

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** Sums up everyone's behaviour behavior around Kallor. First they let the psycho into their army, then they mock and belittle him. Brilliant move, people.
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* CompleteMonster: Bidithal [[EvilOldFolks an elderly member]] of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage, Bidithal gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for [[{{Lolicon}} little girls]] that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within." Even the barbarian AntiHero Karsa Orlong finds Bidithal an utter blot on humanity as a whole and relishes a chance to force Bidithal to [[KarmicDeath choke on his pleasure]].

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* CompleteMonster: Bidithal is [[EvilOldFolks an elderly member]] of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage, Bidithal Mage who gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for [[{{Lolicon}} little girls]] that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within." Even the barbarian AntiHero Karsa Orlong finds Bidithal an utter blot on humanity as a whole and relishes a chance to force Bidithal to [[KarmicDeath choke on his pleasure]].
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* CompleteMonster: Bidithal [[EvilOldFolks an elderly member]] of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage, Bidithal gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for [[{{Lolicon}} little girls]] that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within." Even the barbarian AntiHero Karsa Orlong finds Bidithal an utter blot on humanity as a whole and relishes a chance to force Bidithal to [[KarmicDeath choke on his pleasure]].
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* CultClassic: Opinions abound that it will never reach mainstream success circa ASongOfIceAndFire because its depth and complexity is alienating.

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* CultClassic: Opinions abound that it will never reach mainstream success circa ASongOfIceAndFire because its the depth and complexity that makes it great is alienating.alienating to casual readers, and cannot be translated to other mediums.
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* CultClassic: Opinions abound that it will never reach mainstream success circa ASongOfIceAndFire because its depth and complexity is alienating.
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* CompleteMonster: Bauchelain and Korbal Broach.

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** Pretty much sums up everyone's behaviour around Kallor. First they let the psycho into their army, then they mock and belittle him. Brilliant move, people.
** Sorry/Apsalar. Multiple people have pointed out to her that [[spoiler: abandoning Cutter wasn't a great idea. Anyone who's moderately perceptive can spot either of their broken hearts pretty much immediately.]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds:
** The Crippled God
** Even more so, Korabas.
** [[spoiler:Rhulad Sengar. It's hard to not to sympathise with him, after his mind starts to slowly break apart because of his deaths... and deaths of his loved ones. Also Udinaas, his only friend, betrays him - or so he thinks...]]

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** Pretty much sums Sums up everyone's behaviour around Kallor. First they let the psycho into their army, then they mock and belittle him. Brilliant move, people.
** Sorry/Apsalar. Multiple people have pointed out to her that [[spoiler: abandoning Cutter wasn't a great idea. Anyone who's moderately perceptive can spot either of their broken hearts pretty much immediately.]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds:
** The Crippled God
** Even more so, Korabas.
** [[spoiler:Rhulad Sengar. It's hard to not to sympathise with him, after his mind starts to slowly break apart because of his deaths... and deaths of his loved ones. Also Udinaas, his only friend, betrays him - or so he thinks...
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These aren\'t YMMV. Moving.


* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Karsa, whose tribal culture considers rape and pillage as a RiteOfPassage.



* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and idly wonders if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[Creator/AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying God.
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* BaseBreaker: Karsa Orlong.

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* BaseBreaker: Karsa Orlong.



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Karsa, whose tribal culture considers rape and pillage as a RiteOfPassage.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Karsa, whose tribal culture considers rape and pillage as a RiteOfPassage.



* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying God.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying God.



* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and idly wonders if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.

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* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and idly wonders if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[AynRand [[Creator/AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.



** [[spoiler:Rhulad Sengar. It's hard to not to sympathise with him, after his mind starts to slowly break apart because of his deaths... and deaths of his loved ones. Also Udinaas, his only friend, betrays him - or so he thinks...]]

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** [[spoiler:Rhulad Sengar. It's hard to not to sympathise with him, after his mind starts to slowly break apart because of his deaths... and deaths of his loved ones. Also Udinaas, his only friend, betrays him - or so he thinks...]]
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* CompleteMonster: Bauchelain and Korbal Broach.
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* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and reflects if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.

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* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and reflects idly wonders if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.
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Feel free to add more examples. They\'re usually subtle, so I tend to forget them after I see them.

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* TakeThat: In ''The Crippled God'' (no spoiler) one character is having a smoke and reflects if there is any meaning to the habit. She recalls a scholar, no name given, who claimed it had to do with [[AynRand man's mastery of fire]] and such. She decides that the scholar was just trying really hard to justify her habit, and that tying the habit into philosophy was just really weird. The series features many similar examples; Steven Erikson has a decidedly snarky sense of humour at times.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series owes a consdiderable debt to ''TheBlackCompany.''

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* OlderThanTheyThink: The series owes a consdiderable considerable debt to ''TheBlackCompany.''
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* IKnewIt:[[spoiler:Some fan speculation held that the final book would portray the Crippled God as a sympathetic victim, and end with his liberation and healing. This is exactly what happened.]]

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* IKnewIt:[[spoiler:Some IKnewIt: [[spoiler:Some fan speculation held that the final book would portray the Crippled God as a sympathetic victim, and end with his liberation and healing. This is exactly what happened.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Some fan speculation holds that the final book will portray BigBad [[spoiler:the Crippled God]] as a sympathetic victim, and end with his liberation and healing.
** [[spoiler: this happend more or less]]



* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying God

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying GodGod.
* IKnewIt:[[spoiler:Some fan speculation held that the final book would portray the Crippled God as a sympathetic victim, and end with his liberation and healing. This is exactly what happened.]]
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Karsa, whose tribal culture considers rape and pillage as a RiteOfPassage.



* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: ''Everything'' about the Dying God



* OlderThanTheyThink: The series owes a consdiderable debt to ''TheBlackCompany.''



** Even more so, Korabas.

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** Even more so, Korabas.Korabas.
** [[spoiler:Rhulad Sengar. It's hard to not to sympathise with him, after his mind starts to slowly break apart because of his deaths... and deaths of his loved ones. Also Udinaas, his only friend, betrays him - or so he thinks...]]

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Examples Are Not Arguable, and Invincible Hero isn\'t YMMV anyway. Seasonal Rot is not Jumping The Shark. It has to be a specific season or installment. YMMV is not a trope, only an index.


* ArcFatigue: The Tiste Edur and Jade Giant storylines.
* BoringInvincibleHero: Arguably Karsa Orlong, in later books any fight involving him is more or less a foregone conclusion. [[spoiler:His fight with Rhulad is the most obvious example of this, with Karsa killing the unkillable warrior with little challenge]]
* CanonSue: Arguably Whiskeyjack. ''Karsa.'' And every third character.

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* ArcFatigue: The Tiste Edur and Jade Giant storylines.storylines.
* BaseBreaker: Karsa Orlong.

* BoringInvincibleHero: Arguably Karsa Orlong, in later books any fight involving him is more or less a foregone conclusion. [[spoiler:His fight with Rhulad is the most obvious example of this, with Karsa killing the unkillable warrior with little challenge]]
* CanonSue: Arguably Whiskeyjack. ''Karsa.'' And every Every third character.character is said to be this.



* JerkassWoobie: Felisin Paran.
* MoralEventHorizon: A particularly obvious example, Sirryn Kanar in ''Reaper's Gale'' seems to exist solely to cross it repeatedly.

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* JerkassWoobie: GodModeSue: How some fans see Karsa.
* JerkassWoobie:
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Felisin Paran.
**Rhulad Sengar. Yeah, he's technically an EvilOverlord and has done some inarguably bad things- but just ''look'' at the rest of this list. You've ''got'' to feel sorry for the poor guy. He needs a hug. And possibly, a therapist.
* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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A particularly obvious example, Sirryn Kanar in ''Reaper's Gale'' seems to exist solely to cross it repeatedly.



* TheScrappy: The Mhbye in ''Memories of Ice.'' [[YourMileageMayVary Depending on who you ask]] Karsa Orlong and/or Kruppe as well.

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* TheScrappy: The Mhbye in ''Memories of Ice.'' [[YourMileageMayVary Depending on who you ask]] ask, Karsa Orlong and/or Kruppe as well.



* SeasonalRot: [[YourMileageMayVary Some]] feel this way about some of or most of the books following ''Memories of Ice'', ''Toll the Hounds'' especially.

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* SeasonalRot: [[YourMileageMayVary Some]] feel this way about some of or most of the books following ''Memories of Ice'', ''Toll the Hounds'' especially.TearJerker: [[spoiler:Itkovian's death]].
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Itkovian]].



* {{Woobie Destroyer of Worlds}}: The Crippled God

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* {{Woobie Destroyer WhatAnIdiot:
** Pretty much sums up everyone's behaviour around Kallor. First they let the psycho into their army, then they mock and belittle him. Brilliant move, people.
** Sorry/Apsalar. Multiple people have pointed out to her that [[spoiler: abandoning Cutter wasn't a great idea. Anyone who's moderately perceptive can spot either
of Worlds}}: their broken hearts pretty much immediately.]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds:
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The Crippled God
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* LoveItOrHateIt: The series as a whole, and ''Midnight Tides'' in particular.
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** Mallick Rel convincing [[DirtyCoward High Fist Pomquarl]] to abandon Fist Coltaine to die outside the walls of Aren. Particularly vile since Coltaine was less than five hundred metres away, the garrison was more than strong enough to rescue him and Coltaine had just spent the last few months leading 30,000 Malazan refugees across a desert to safety.
** If that's not bad enough, Rel crosses it again only a few pages later when he betrays Aren to the Army of the Apocalypse, resulting in 10,000 soldiers being crucified and left to die.
*** And the absolute worst part? [[spoiler:He's a KarmaHoudini, and when his plan fails he convinces everyone that he was the hero who defended Aren and that Coltaine and the Wickans were the true enemy. After Laseen's death he becomes Emperor of the entire Malazan Empire.]]
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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, propably all sapers...

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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, Bauchelain and Korbal Broach, propably all sapers...

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** [[spoiler: this happend]]

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** [[spoiler: this happend]]happend more or less]]
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* {{DarthWiki/Wallbanger}}: Pretty much every issue with timeline of books. Especially in TtH - [[spoiler:Harrlo is 6 years old. Karsa's daughters are teenagers.]] WHAT?
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* {{Woobie Destroyer of Worlds}}: The Crippled God

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* {{Woobie Destroyer of Worlds}}: The Crippled GodGod
** Even more so, Korabas.

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