History YMMV / LornaShore

* TearJerker: The title track of *Pain Remains*, as suggested by its title, and especially its video - a hauntingly effective representation of the FiveStagesOfGrief. Actually, the whole album fits to varying extents; as [[https://music.apple.com/us/album/pain-remains/1632525748 Will Ramos describes it on Apple Music]], it's a concept album where a character becomes a sort of god through [[DreamWeaver lucid dreaming]], falls in love with a woman from his dream, then has to deal with her death. At the end [[spoiler:he ultimately elects to burn down his house in his dream with himself inside, presumably to return to his real life.]]

* TearJerker: The title track of *Pain Remains*, as suggested by its title, and especially its video - a hauntingly effective representation of the FiveStagesOfGrief. Actually, the whole album fits to varying extents; as [[https://music.apple.com/us/album/pain-remains/1632525748 Will Ramos describes it on Apple Music]], it's a concept album where a character becomes a sort of god through LucidDreaming, falls in love with a woman from his dream, then has to deal with her death. At the end [[spoiler:he ultimately elects to burn down his house in his dream with himself inside, presumably to return to his real life.]]

* SignatureSong: "To the Hellfire", which achieved viral fame almost instantly due to its popularity in reaction videos and on [=TikTok=], as well as its popularity as a vocal cover choice.

* SignatureSong: "Death Portrait" (for its widespread popularity as a vocal cover choice) and/or "To the Hellfire" (for its popularity in reaction videos and on [=TikTok=]).

* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvEWFjWfqiU This cat video]] set to ''Life of Fear'' ''quickly'' went viral.

* MemeticMutation: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvEWFjWfqiU This cat video]] set to ''Fear of Life'' ''quickly'' went viral.

* SignatureSong: "Death Portrait" (for its widespread popularity as a vocal cover choice) and/or "To the Hellfire" (for its popularity in reaction videos and on [=TikTok=]).
* WinTheCrowd: While people who saw the live videos of him on their ill-fated 2020 European tour were impressed by Will Ramos's performances, it was "To the Hellfire" that sold the fanbase on his style and technique, while their summer and fall 2021 live performances sold them on his abilities as a live performer and frontman. At this point, the almost universal consensus (aside from a scattering of Tom or CJ holdovers) is that he is by far their best vocalist on all fronts.

* SignatureSong: "Death Portrait" (for its widespread popularity as a vocal cover choice) and/or "To the Hellfire" (for its popularity in reaction videos and on [=TikTok=]).

* SignatureSong: "FVNERAL MOON" and/or "Death Portrait", the latter being known as an extremely common vocal cover choice.

* SignatureSong: "FVNERAL MOON" and/or "Darkest Spawn".

* SignatureSong: "FVNERAL MOON".

* BrokenBase: Tom leaving. Was it an unfortunate but kind of understandable departure, given that even in spite of Lorna Shore's growth, they weren't making much money, and Tom had a chance to join a band that would give him at least some meaningful income, or was it Tom being a selfish asshole who drank his own Koolaid and didn't give a fuck about his bandmates beyond what they could do for him jumping on the gravy train with an over-the-hill band that hasn't been relevant for years and making a firm statement regarding his priorities? Not helping this is the fact that Tom apparently gave his bandmates almost no notice and just up and left; "I joined Chelsea Grin, they're going to have me track the new album, and I'm leaving Lorna Shore, it's been nice knowing you guys" was not too far from the truth regarding how he left.

** The decision to release ''Immortal'' with CJ's vocals. Was it a band trapped between a rock and a hard place who realistically didn't have a better option (given how much of a nightmare its creation was even ''before'' CJ got outed) trying their best to cut their losses and finish cleaning up the mess when they were in a better position to do so? Or was it the band taking the easy way out and letting a vile sexual predator leave his mark on them when they could and should have finished erasing him from history by delaying the album until they could get someone to redo the vocals? Several fans have reported that Adam De Micco's girlfriend confirmed on Instagram that CJ was locked out of royalties due to his ejection and wouldn't see a cent from the album or the preorder merch sales, which has helped put both sides at ease, but there is still some lingering disagreement.

* GrowingTheBeard: ''Maleficium'' and especially ''Flesh Coffin'' served as major sources of growth for the band. Adam also cited ''Immortal'' as this, as he stated that it was their attempt to clean up their songwriting, better reflect their influences, and rise above the rest of the deathcore pack.

* GrowingTheBeard: ''Maleficium'' and especially ''Flesh Coffin'' served as major sources of growth for the band.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: For deathcore in general, as they are among the ''very'' few modern deathcore acts who have had some success in winning over death metal fans and crossing over to that fanbase while still maintaining a strong following among deathcore fans.

* BrokenBase: Tom leaving. Was it an unfortunate but kind of understandable departure, given that even in spite of Lorna Shore's growth, they weren't making much money, and Tom had a chance to join a band that would give him at least some meaningful income, or was it Tom being a selfish asshole who drank his own Koolaid and didn't give a fuck about his bandmates beyond what they could do for him jumping on the gravy train with an over-the-hill band that hasn't been relevant for years and making a firm statement regarding his priorities? Not helping this is the fact that Tom apparently gave his bandmates almost no notice and just up and left; "I joined Chelsea Grin, they're going to have me track the new album, and I'm leaving Lorna Shore, it's been nice knowing you guys" was not too far from the truth regarding how he left. Furthermore, the fact that ''Eternal Nightmare'' (his debut with Chelsea Grin) has ''also'' been polarizing among their fanbase (it's either the breath of fresh air that they needed after a long period of stagnation, or it's a tired, over-the-hill band putting lipstick on a pig with a new face and the same generic chuggy deathcore that they've been playing for far too long) has not helped the fanbase's division regarding the split with Tom.

* SignatureSong: "FVNERAL MOON".
* WinTheCrowd: Many fans were very skeptical about CJ [=McCreery's=] ability to do a good job as their new vocalist due to his vastly different style and background, and while their concerns were assuaged to some degree after their first tour with him, fan opinion of him didn't truly sway in his favor until "This Is Hell" was released, which was widely viewed as one of the best songs of their career and a testament to CJ's ability to stay faithful to their established canon while also adding new things to the band that worked well.

* BaseBreaker: Several.
** Tom leaving. Was it an unfortunate but kind of understandable departure, given that even in spite of Lorna Shore's growth, they weren't making much money, and Tom had a chance to join a band that would give him at least some meaningful income, or was it Tom being a selfish asshole who drank his own Koolaid and didn't give a fuck about his bandmates beyond what they could do for him jumping on the gravy train with an over-the-hill band that hasn't been relevant for years and making a firm statement regarding his priorities? Not helping this is the fact that Tom apparently gave his bandmates almost no notice and just up and left; "I joined Chelsea Grin, they're going to have me track the new album, and I'm leaving Lorna Shore, it's been nice knowing you guys" was not too far from the truth regarding how he left. Furthermore, the fact that ''Eternal Nightmare'' (his debut with Chelsea Grin) has ''also'' been polarizing among their fanbase (it's either the breath of fresh air that they needed after a long period of stagnation, or it's a tired, over-the-hill band putting lipstick on a pig with a new face and the same generic chuggy deathcore that they've been playing for far too long) has not helped the fanbase's division regarding the split with Tom.
** Currently subverted with CJ [=McCreery=]. While most of the fanbase was initially at least somewhat skeptical of him due to his vastly different vocal style and the fact that he apparently left Signs of the Swarm with very little notice (which they, at the time, were less than thrilled with), most fans have gradually grown to accept him as a far better fit than anyone thought he would be. The fact that whatever resentment Signs of the Swarm may have had towards him over his abrupt departure has faded and they are back to being buddies has helped, as has Signs of the Swarm's own success with Dave Simonich (who is almost universally beloved by their own fanbase).

** CJ [=McCreery=]. Is he an excellent replacement for Tom who has addressed the concerns of the skeptics with an approach that is faithful to Tom's established style while also freshening it up with his own touch, or is he a Dickie Allen ripoff who is a terrible vocal fit and a step back for the band, and who pulled the same shit with his bandmates in Signs of the Swarm that Tom pulled with CJ's current bandmates, who apparently don't see the inherent irony? This perception has generally faded due to the positive reception that "This Is Hell" and "Darkest Spawn" received coupled with Jimmy Pino going on record to state that Signs of the Swarm was still cool with him and vice versa, but there is still a contingent of fans who refuse to accept them without Tom.

** CJ [=McCreery=]. Is he an excellent replacement for Tom who has addressed the concerns of the skeptics with an approach that is faithful to Tom's established style while also freshening it up with his own touch, or is he a Dickie Allen ripoff who is a terrible vocal fit and a step back for the band, and who pulled the same shit with his bandmates in Signs of the Swarm that Tom pulled with CJ's current bandmates, who apparently don't see the inherent irony?

** CJ [=McCreery=]. Is he an excellent replacement for Tom who has addressed the concerns of the skeptics with an approach that is faithful to Tom's established style while also freshening it up with his own touch, or is he an egomaniacal jerk and shameless Adam Warren and Dickie Allen ripoff who is a terrible vocal fit and a step back for the band, and who pulled the same shit with his bandmates in Signs of the Swarm that Tom pulled with CJ's current bandmates, who apparently don't see the inherent irony?

* SignatureSong: "FVNERAL MOON".

** Tom leaving. Was it an unfortunate but kind of understandable departure, given that even in spite of Lorna Shore's growth, they weren't making much money, and Tom had a chance to join a band that would give him at least some meaningful income, or was it Tom being a selfish asshole who drank his own Koolaid and didn't give a fuck about his bandmates beyond what they could do for him jumping on the gravy train with an over-the-hill band that hasn't been relevant for years and making a firm statement regarding his priorities? Not helping this is the fact that Tom apparently gave his bandmates almost no notice and just up and left; "I joined Chelsea Grin, they're going to have me track the new album, and I'm leaving Lorna Shore, it's been nice knowing you guys" was not too far from the truth regarding how he left.

** CJ [=McCreery=]. Is he an excellent replacement for Tom who has addressed the concerns of the skeptics with an approach that is faithful to Tom's established style while also freshening it up with his own touch, or is he an egomaniacal jerk and shameless Adam Warren and Dickie Allen ripoff who is a terrible vocal fit and a step back for the band, and who pulled the same shit with his bandmates in Signs of the Swarm that Tom pulled with his current bandmates, who apparently don't see the inherent irony?