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* IKnewIt: The reveal of Moondancer's father being [[spoiler: Blueblood]] isn't too much of a shock considering his appearance gave him away.
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True, but Natter here.


** Support for Moondancer has ''significantly'' lowered ever since his argument and rant toward Trixie, blaming her for everything before leaving home and firmly cementing his Jerkass nature.
** Then TheReveal that he got his villainous powers by absorbing Midnight ([[NotSoStoic who completely dropped her stoic mannerisms]] [[IWantMyMommy to scream for her mothers]] during the process) into Sombra's horn...and ultimately ''didn't care''. He has now fully descended into villany.
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* FoeYay: The setting is based around the Twilight Sparkle X [[MadGod Discord]] ship, and was so even before Discord made a ''sincere'' HeelFaceTurn in "Twilight's Kingdom", and even then, their canon relationship remains [[SitcomArchNemesis more or less antagonistic]]. Other canon character examples include Rainbow Dash X [[TheBully Dumbbell]] and Celestia X [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Chrysalis]] (the latter insists it's "purely ''political''", [[BadLiar and nothing more]]).
** In the backstory, there was Bruce with Pandora. They deeply and genuinely loathe each other, but had a brief relationship way back when. They hook up and have a kid in the Makoverse timeline. It... didn't work out very well.
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Lop here. How petty are you, dude? Shmeez, get a grip


* InformedWrongness: Moondancer is painted as being in the wrong for ending his friendship with Pandora and Cupcake and Pandora lectures him on how his quest for magic is pointless because it doesn't make him happy, but it's hard to argue that Pandora wasn't exactly a brilliant friend to Moondancer, since she constantly patronised and teased him and would always rub his face in it when she inevitably beat him at magic. Plus, Moondancer isn't wrong when he says that eventually people have to grow up.
* StrangledByTheRedString:
** Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen. For a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.

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* InformedWrongness: Moondancer is painted as being in the wrong for ending his friendship with Pandora and Cupcake and Pandora lectures him on how his quest for magic is pointless because it doesn't make him happy, but it's hard to argue that Pandora wasn't exactly a brilliant friend to Moondancer, since she constantly patronised and teased him and would always rub his face in it when she inevitably beat him at magic. Plus, Moondancer isn't wrong when he says that eventually people have to grow up.
* StrangledByTheRedString:
** Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen. For a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.
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* InformedWrongness: Moondancer is painted as being in the wrong for ending his friendship with Pandora and Cupcake and Pandora lectures him on how his quest for magic is pointless because it doesn't make him happy, but it's hard to argue that Pandora wasn't exactly a brilliant friend to Moondancer, since she constantly patronised and teased him and would always rub his face in it when she inevitably beat him at magic. Plus, Moondancer isn't wrong when he says that eventually people have to grow up.

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* InformedWrongness: Moondancer is painted as being in the wrong for ending his friendship with Pandora and Cupcake and Pandora lectures him on how his quest for magic is pointless because it doesn't make him happy, but it's hard to argue that Pandora wasn't exactly a brilliant friend to Moondancer, since she constantly patronised and teased him and would always rub his face in it when she inevitably beat him at magic. Plus, Moondancer isn't wrong when he says that eventually people have to grow up.up.
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** Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen. For a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Despite some very strong character similarities, Cupcake was designed before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E18MaudPie Maud Pie]] aired.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Despite some very strong character similarities, Cupcake was designed before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E18MaudPie Maud Pie]] aired.aired.
* InformedWrongness: Moondancer is painted as being in the wrong for ending his friendship with Pandora and Cupcake and Pandora lectures him on how his quest for magic is pointless because it doesn't make him happy, but it's hard to argue that Pandora wasn't exactly a brilliant friend to Moondancer, since she constantly patronised and teased him and would always rub his face in it when she inevitably beat him at magic. Plus, Moondancer isn't wrong when he says that eventually people have to grow up.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With Creator/{{Kilala97}}, crossover art is common and their "ponysonas" are often {{shipp|ing}}ed. Helps that Kilala and Lopoddity are an item in real life.
* HilariousInHindsight: Despite some very strong character similarities, Cupcake was designed before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E18MaudPie Maud Pie]] aired.
* JerkassWoobie: Pandora received a lot of bullying growing up and [[WeUsedToBeFriends fell out with her cousin Skyla]] due to her appearance and nature. Proof that Pandora UsedToBeASweetKid is that [[BullyingADragon the bullies got away (relatively) unscathed]]. She worked hard to suppress her chaotic nature and become an ideal princess her mother Twilight Sparkle wanted, only to be laughed at and ridiculed at her coronation. Finally breaking under all this, [[OnlyFriend Cupcake]] connvinced her to BeYourself and [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she's been the Princess of Chaos ever since]], [[SarcasmMode no regrets, right]]? Actually, her entire arrogant, jerkish personality [[JerkassFacade covers up]] self loathing and viewing herself as a disappointment for failing to live up to her mother.
** However, most of this has been retconned by Lopoddity, since she pointed out it wouldn't make sense for Pandora to be bullied. She was still a princess and ponykind doesn't judge on appearance (more on reputation actually.) However, Pandora still suffered because her innate chaotic nature had her do alot of twisted pranks or acts of magics that terrified the populace and Pandora worked hard to try and prove to the ponies she wasn't a monster.
** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus, arguably, as they go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen is another one - for a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With Creator/{{Kilala97}}, crossover art is common and their "ponysonas" are often {{shipp|ing}}ed. Helps that Kilala and Lopoddity are an item in real life.
* HilariousInHindsight: Despite some very strong character similarities, Cupcake was designed before [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E18MaudPie Maud Pie]] aired.
* JerkassWoobie: Pandora received a lot of bullying growing up and [[WeUsedToBeFriends fell out with her cousin Skyla]] due to her appearance and nature. Proof that Pandora UsedToBeASweetKid is that [[BullyingADragon the bullies got away (relatively) unscathed]]. She worked hard to suppress her chaotic nature and become an ideal princess her mother Twilight Sparkle wanted, only to be laughed at and ridiculed at her coronation. Finally breaking under all this, [[OnlyFriend Cupcake]] connvinced her to BeYourself and [[ThenLetMeBeEvil she's been the Princess of Chaos ever since]], [[SarcasmMode no regrets, right]]? Actually, her entire arrogant, jerkish personality [[JerkassFacade covers up]] self loathing and viewing herself as a disappointment for failing to live up to her mother.
** However, most of this has been retconned by Lopoddity, since she pointed out it wouldn't make sense for Pandora to be bullied. She was still a princess and ponykind doesn't judge on appearance (more on reputation actually.) However, Pandora still suffered because her innate chaotic nature had her do alot of twisted pranks or acts of magics that terrified the populace and Pandora worked hard to try and prove to the ponies she wasn't a monster.
** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus, arguably, as they go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen is another one - for a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.him''.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Chakra Blossom/Nocturnus, arguably, as they go from a casual bar hookup to an actual canon relationship over a short span of time, to the point Nocturnus is apparently fine with introducing a guy he knows to be a sleazy asshole to his paraplegic pre-schooler-aged daughter without much build-up inbetween. Lopoddity herself has acknowledged this and mentioned more of their relationship will be explored in the future.
** Skyla/Peachy Keen is another one - for a relationship that's meant to be one of the Pandoraverse's OTPs, there's been very little content for it since Peachy was revealed to be Skyla's secret crush. It makes you wonder why Skyla was so devastated over some random farmpony she met once and apparently all it takes for her to get over her hangovers is one insensitive peptalk from Jamboree.

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** Then TheReveal that he got his villainous powers by absorbing Midnight ([[NotSoStoic who completely dropped her stoic mannerisms]] [[IWantMyMommy to scream for her mothers]] during the process) into Sombra's horn...and ultimately ''didn't care''.

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** Then TheReveal that he got his villainous powers by absorbing Midnight ([[NotSoStoic who completely dropped her stoic mannerisms]] [[IWantMyMommy to scream for her mothers]] during the process) into Sombra's horn...and ultimately ''didn't care''. He has now fully descended into villany.


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** However, most of this has been retconned by Lopoddity, since she pointed out it wouldn't make sense for Pandora to be bullied. She was still a princess and ponykind doesn't judge on appearance (more on reputation actually.) However, Pandora still suffered because her innate chaotic nature had her do alot of twisted pranks or acts of magics that terrified the populace and Pandora worked hard to try and prove to the ponies she wasn't a monster.
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Other characters within the 'verse proved redeemable despite acts as least as bad (Tirek, Sombra, Starlight Glimmer).


** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Given [[AndIMustScream what he did to Midnight Abyss]] and the fact that ''he didn't care'', we can safely assume that Moondancer has crossed it.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Given [[AndIMustScream what he did to Midnight Abyss]] and the fact that ''he didn't care'', we can safely assume that Moondancer has crossed it.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Given [[AndIMustScream what he did to Midnight Abyss]] and the fact that ''he didn't care'', we can safely assume that Moondancer has crossed it.
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Just remembered that Tirek and Sombra are on the road to redemption in this continuity, raising the "irredeemable" bar higher then what he's yet to achieve.
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Examples Are Not Arguable, and given all the thing characters have been forgiven of (like Starlight), I'd say it would take something more irreversible. This may be a candidate later deepening on how his story ends.


** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Arguably, Moondancer crosses it when he absorbs Midnight's magic, [[AndIMustScream trapping her soul in Sombra's horn]] and leaving her physical form TakenForGranite, then lying to her mothers and pretending to be concerned for her ''and then'' going and draining another poor, hapless unicorn of his magic as soon as he's alone.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Arguably, Moondancer crosses it when he absorbs Midnight's magic, [[AndIMustScream trapping her soul in Sombra's horn]] and leaving her physical form TakenForGranite, then lying to her mothers and pretending to be concerned for her ''and then'' going and draining another poor, hapless unicorn of his magic as soon as he's alone.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.him''.
* MoralEventHorizon: Arguably, Moondancer crosses it when he absorbs Midnight's magic, [[AndIMustScream trapping her soul in Sombra's horn]] and leaving her physical form TakenForGranite, then lying to her mothers and pretending to be concerned for her ''and then'' going and draining another poor, hapless unicorn of his magic as soon as he's alone.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. He also gets a moment of this in a picture just after Moondancer tells Starlight and Sunset that Midnight, a former friend Chakra still misses, has disappeared...and ''they blame him''.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Moondancer is given plenty of sympathy and most of his supporters tend to overlook or disregard that his insecurities and such are the result of him believing that he should be the best because he is descended from Starswirl as well as his negative attitude and lust for power. They emphasize more his (admittingly legitimate) struggle with his father and having his former friend be better than him by natural talent and hard work. WordOfGod has pointed out this trend despite her plans on making him more or less the BigBad of the verse, especially when she mentioned there would be little he wouldn't do for power.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Moondancer is given plenty of sympathy and most of his supporters tend to overlook or disregard that his insecurities and such are the result of him believing that he should be the best because he is descended from Starswirl as well as his negative attitude and lust for power. They emphasize more his (admittingly legitimate) struggle with his father and having his former friend be better than him by natural talent and hard work. WordOfGod has pointed out this trend despite her plans on making him more or less the BigBad of the verse, especially when she mentioned there would be little he wouldn't do for power.



** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pandora. Admittedly she does [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex have]] [[MommyIssues her]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer reasons]] to be so, but she's a very selfish, manipulative character who tends to receive DesignatedHero treatment because she's the main character. She's granted immense magical power and social privilege thanks to Twilight Sparkle and Discord being her parents (both of whom love her very much, unlike Bruce, Moondancer or Chakra Blossom's parents), which results in her being better than Moondancer [[BornLucky without even trying]] and rubs it in his face that no matter how hard he studies, [[SmugSuper she'll always be better than he is.]] She also pranks and mocks her cousin Skyla in a pretty mean-spirited way (not that Skyla is above returning this treatment), even though Skyla tried to help Pandora when the latter was training to be a Princess, and Skyla is mentioned to have no real close friends while Pandora does. Not to mention that while she's a decent parent to Oddball, she outright ''abandoned'' Mako in the Makoverse and when confronted about it by Mako himself, [[NeverMyFault she blames Cupcake]] for "turning" Mako against her. She also tends to {{Wangst}} about ponies treating her differently, even though there are other pony hybrid characters (Iridescence and Artemis) who don't complain about it nearly as much as Pandora does. It doesn't help she has ShipTease with a ''lot'' of characters and her most antagnostic relationships (Moondancer and Bruce) seem to be because they had romantic feelings for her at one point.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?\n* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pandora. Admittedly she does [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex have]] [[MommyIssues her]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer reasons]] to be so, but she's a very selfish, manipulative character who tends to receive DesignatedHero treatment because she's the main character. She's granted immense magical power and social privilege thanks to Twilight Sparkle and Discord being her parents (both of whom love her very much, unlike Bruce, Moondancer or Chakra Blossom's parents), which results in her being better than Moondancer [[BornLucky without even trying]] and rubs it in his face that no matter how hard he studies, [[SmugSuper she'll always be better than he is.]] She also pranks and mocks her cousin Skyla in a pretty mean-spirited way (not that Skyla is above returning this treatment), even though Skyla tried to help Pandora when the latter was training to be a Princess, and Skyla is mentioned to have no real close friends while Pandora does. Not to mention that while she's a decent parent to Oddball, she outright ''abandoned'' Mako in the Makoverse and when confronted about it by Mako himself, [[NeverMyFault she blames Cupcake]] for "turning" Mako against her. She also tends to {{Wangst}} about ponies treating her differently, even though there are other pony hybrid characters (Iridescence and Artemis) who don't complain about it nearly as much as Pandora does. It doesn't help she has ShipTease with a ''lot'' of characters and her most antagnostic relationships (Moondancer and Bruce) seem to be because they had romantic feelings for her at one point.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?nephew?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pandora. Admittedly she does [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex have]] [[MommyIssues her]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer reasons]] to be so, but she's a very selfish, manipulative character who tends to receive DesignatedHero treatment because she's the main character. She's granted immense magical power and social privilege thanks to Twilight Sparkle and Discord being her parents (both of whom love her very much, unlike Bruce, Moondancer or Chakra Blossom's parents), which results in her being better than Moondancer [[BornLucky without even trying]] and rubs it in his face that no matter how hard he studies, [[SmugSuper she'll always be better than he is.]] She also pranks and mocks her cousin Skyla in a pretty mean-spirited way (not that Skyla is above returning this treatment), even though Skyla tried to help Pandora when the latter was training to be a Princess, and Skyla is mentioned to have no real close friends while Pandora does. Not to mention that while she's a decent parent to Oddball, she outright ''abandoned'' Mako in the Makoverse and when confronted about it by Mako himself, [[NeverMyFault she blames Cupcake]] for "turning" Mako against her. She also tends to {{Wangst}} about ponies treating her differently, even though there are other pony hybrid characters (Iridescence and Artemis) who don't complain about it nearly as much as Pandora does. It doesn't help she has ShipTease with a ''lot'' of characters and her most antagnostic relationships (Moondancer and Bruce) seem to be because they had romantic feelings for her at one point.
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** Then TheReveal that he got his villainous powers by absorbing Midnight ([[NotSoStoic who completely dropped her stoic mannerisms]] [[IWantMyMommy to scream for her mothers]] during the process) into Sombra's horn...and ultimately ''didn't care''.
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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pandora. Admittedly she does [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex]] have [[MommyIssues her]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer reasons]] to be so, but she's a very selfish, manipulative character who tends to receive DesignatedHero treatment because she's the main character. She's granted immense magical power and social privilege thanks to Twilight Sparkle and Discord being her parents (both of whom love her very much, unlike Bruce, Moondancer or Chakra Blossom's parents), which results in her being better than Moondancer [[BornLucky without even trying]] and rubs it in his face that no matter how hard he studies, [[SmugSuper she'll always be better than he is.]] She also pranks and mocks her cousin Skyla in a pretty mean-spirited way (not that Skyla is above returning this treatment), even though Skyla tried to help Pandora when the latter was training to be a Princess, and Skyla is mentioned to have no real close friends while Pandora does. Not to mention that while she's a decent parent to Oddball, she outright ''abandoned'' Mako in the Makoverse and when confronted about it by Mako himself, [[NeverMyFault she blames Cupcake]] for "turning" Mako against her. She also tends to {{Wangst}} about ponies treating her differently, even though there are other pony hybrid characters (Iridescence and Artemis) who don't complain about it nearly as much as Pandora does. It doesn't help she has ShipTease with a ''lot'' of characters and her most antagnostic relationships (Moondancer and Bruce) seem to be because they had romantic feelings for her at one point.

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** Chakra Blossom has become this when Lopoddity revealed his backstory. Virtually all of his negative traits come from the fact that Tree Hugger and Zephyr Breeze were [[ParentalNeglect pretty crap parents.]] Zephyr wasn't there much for his son (he said parenting cramped his style). While Tree Hugger did care for him, she was quite lax when raising him and left him alone for extended periods of time while she went on her retreats. What also keeps him from being an irredeemable character is that he very much UsedToBeASweetKid and whenever his aunt Fluttershy would babysit him, he would very much look after baby Rosemary and repay his aunt's kindness by doing chores of the house. His Aunt Fluttershy is the only pony he is genuinely kind, honest and sincere with and it's possible he feels is the only pony to care about him. So while he may be quite a ManipulativeBastard, he is also intensely screwed up and that he would've turned up a much better stallion if anypony actually parented him properly when he was a colt. One also wonders how Fluttershy feels about this, and if she had her concerns, why she didn't just flat-out adopt her nephew?
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Pandora. Admittedly she does [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex]] have [[MommyIssues her]] [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer reasons]] to be so, but she's a very selfish, manipulative character who tends to receive DesignatedHero treatment because she's the main character. She's granted immense magical power and social privilege thanks to Twilight Sparkle and Discord being her parents (both of whom love her very much, unlike Bruce, Moondancer or Chakra Blossom's parents), which results in her being better than Moondancer [[BornLucky without even trying]] and rubs it in his face that no matter how hard he studies, [[SmugSuper she'll always be better than he is.]] She also pranks and mocks her cousin Skyla in a pretty mean-spirited way (not that Skyla is above returning this treatment), even though Skyla tried to help Pandora when the latter was training to be a Princess, and Skyla is mentioned to have no real close friends while Pandora does. Not to mention that while she's a decent parent to Oddball, she outright ''abandoned'' Mako in the Makoverse and when confronted about it by Mako himself, [[NeverMyFault she blames Cupcake]] for "turning" Mako against her. She also tends to {{Wangst}} about ponies treating her differently, even though there are other pony hybrid characters (Iridescence and Artemis) who don't complain about it nearly as much as Pandora does. It doesn't help she has ShipTease with a ''lot'' of characters and her most antagnostic relationships (Moondancer and Bruce) seem to be because they had romantic feelings for her at one point.
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