History YMMV / Live

* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Their song "Pain Lies on the Riverside" from their debut ''Mental Jewelry'' became a big hit in Brazil back in 1992 [[RevivalByCommercialization after being included in]] [[https://youtu.be/8RWF5E1V0fU a local ad for cigarettes]]. Keep in mind this was two years before their mainstream breakthrough with their sophomore release ''Throwing Copper'' - meanwhile in the US, some rock radio stations only added the song to regular rotation a few years later, since ''Throwing Copper'' proved popular but the followup was still three years away.

* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Their song "Pain Lies on the Riverside" from their debut ''Mental Jewelry'' was a big hit in Brazil back in 1992. Keep in mind this was two years before their mainstream breakthrough with their sophomore release ''Throwing Copper'' - meanwhile in the US, some rock radio stations only added the song to regular rotation a few years later, since ''Throwing Copper'' proved popular but the followup was still three years away.

* BrokenBase: A lot of the fans didn't take the change to a lighter, fluffier sound in the early 2000s too well. Around this time, the band was becoming creatively stagnant. Ed Kowalczyk took over most of the song-writing process, often writing material the other band members felt was too tame. Ed's turn to Christianity - which reflects heavily in his lyrics - was also somewhat controversial, as he had earlier seemed critical of organized religion. Many of the older fans stopped listening after ''The Distance to Here'', while the softer, safer sound actually attracted some new fans who felt the early material was too dark. With the band's overly toxic split, the fans found themselves having to take sides and choose whose version to belive. Nowadays the fanbase is split into "Fans of Live" - who welcome Chris Shinn as the new frontman and feel he's brought a new energy to the music, and "Fans of Ed" - who don't.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Their song "Pain Lies on the Riverside" from their debut ''Mental Jewelry'' was a big hit in Brazil back in 1992. Keep in mind this was two years before their mainstream breakthrough with their sophomore release ''Throwing Cooper''.

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* [[Narm/{{Music}} Narm]]:
** Live tends toward Narm even at their best, but "The Dolphin's Cry" takes the award. Aside from the title, the song features lines such as these:
--> "We are lost till we are found\\
This phoenix rises up from the ground."
** The video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo "I Alone"]], which features the group dancing around and miming playing their instruments against weird backgrounds while Ed makes funny faces and generally acts like he's on a serious sugar high. It doesn't help that Chad Gracey didn't even ''have'' an instrument to mime playing (WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead figured he was being punished for forgetting to bring his drum set to the video shoot). Whatever effect they were going for, it just looks goofy.
** "Freaks" has the line "You know your sperm is weak", as well as that odd moment before the last chorus where Ed Kowalczyk starts growling "Labor-labor-labor."
*** The second verse of the song begins with this: "If the mother goes to bed with you, will you run and tell the papers how she picked you from a line up in downtown Philadelphia with a cigarette hangin' out of your mouth and Henry Miller in your back pocket?" The second half of that lyric is sung in Motor Mouth fashion, and it's like that in the verses. And immediately after that, Ed goes "You little fucker!"
** From "Lightning Crashes": "Her placenta falls to the floor."
** From "Lakini's Juice": "I rushed [to] the ladies room, took the water from the toilet, washed her feet and blessed her name." Symbolic or not, that's just funny. Also, was there no sink in that ladies room or were they not working? Either way, that's just gross.
*** And to add to that, the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 "Lakini's Juice"]] is as guilty of narm. While the video aims to make an interesting point on the line between sexual intimacy and sexual exploitation. Ed Kowalczyk's constant over-dramatic movements and mugging for the camera behavior does little favor for the video. While the music video is a lovely video to a great song, after watching it's impossible to deny Ed's LargeHam tendencies.

* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Their song "Pain Lies on the Riverside" from their debut ''Mental Jewelry'' was a big hit in Brazil back 1992. Keep in mind this was two years before their mainstream breakthrough with their sophomore release ''Throwing Cooper''.

** "Freaks" has the line "You know your sperm is weak", as well as that odd moment before the last chorus where Ed Kowalczyk starts growling "Labor-labor-labor-labor-la...".

** From "Lakini's Juice": "I rushed [to] the ladies room, took the water from the toilet, washed her feet and blessed her name." Symbolic or not, that's just funny. Also, was there no sink in that ladies room, dude? Gross!

** The video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo "I Alone"]], which features the group dancing around and miming playing their instruments against weird backgrounds. It doesn't help that Chad Gracey didn't even ''have'' an instrument to mime playing (WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead figured he was being punished for forgetting to bring his drum set to the video shoot). Whatever effect they were going for, it just looks goofy.

*** And to add to that, the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 "Lakini's Juice"]] is as guilty of narm. While the video aims to make an interesting point on the line between sexual intimacy and sexual exploitation. Ed Kowalczyk's constant over-dramatic movements and mugging for the camera behavior does little favor for the video. While the it's still a lovely video to a great song, after watching it's impossible to deny Ed's LargeHam tendencies.

*** And to add to that, the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 "Lakini's Juice"]] is as guilty of narm. While the video aims to make an interesting point on the line between sexual intimacy and sexual exploitation. Ed Kowalczyk's constant over-dramatic movements and mugging for the camera behavior does little favor for the video. While the it's still a lovely video to great song, after watching it's impossible to deny Ed's LargeHam tendencies.

*** And to add to that, the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 "Lakini's Juice"]] is as guilty of narm. While the video aims to make an interesting point on the line between sexual intimacy and sexual exploitation. Ed Kowalczyk's constant over-dramatic movements and mugging for the camera behavior does little favor for the video, and by the end it's hard to look at him and not think LargeHam

*** And to add to that, the video for [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnFKaU8H4v8 "Lakini's Juice"]] is as guilty of narm. While the video aims to make an interesting point on the line between sexual intimacy and sexual exploitation. Ed Kowalczyk's constant over-dramatic movements and mugging for the camera behavior does little favor for video, and by the end it's hard to look at him and not think LargeHam

** The video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo "I Alone"]], which features the group dancing around and miming playing their instruments against weird backgrounds. It doesn't help that Chad Gracey didn't even ''have'' an instrument to mime playing (WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead figured he was being punished for forgetting to bring his drum set to the video shoot). Whatever effect they were going for, it comes across as goofy.

** "Freaks" has the line "You know your sperm is weak", as well as that odd moment before the last chorus where Ed Kowalczyk starts growling "laborlaborlaborlaborla...".
** "Her placenta falls to the floor" from "Lighting Crashes".

** Live tends toward Narm even at their best, but "The Dolphins Cry" takes the award. Aside from the title, the song features lines such as these:

** The video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo "I Alone"]], which features the group dancing around and miming playing their instruments against weird backgrounds. It doesn't help that Chad Gracey didn't even ''have'' an instrument to mime playing (BeavisAndButthead figured he was being punished for forgetting to bring his drum set to the video shoot). Whatever effect they were going for, it comes across as goofy.

** "Her placenta falls to the floor"

** The video for [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNrQOUtXYOo "I Alone"]], which features the group dancing around and miming playing their instruments against weird backgrounds. It doesn't help that their drummer didn't even have an instrument to mime playing (BeavisAndButthead figured he must have forgotten to bring his drum set to the video shoot). Whatever effect they were going for, it comes across as goofy.

* Live tends toward Narm even at their best, but "The Dolphins Cry" takes the award. Aside from the title, the song features lines such as these: