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*** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandably in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] is not interested in those kinds of relationships, [[spoiler: being heterosexual]], doesn't help. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!

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*** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandably in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] is not interested in those kinds of relationships, [[spoiler: being heterosexual]], doesn't help. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!pleasure.
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** The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claims Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]

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** The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. Perhaps it's made a ''bit'' less bad since Shablee might have misinterpreted Larry's reaction (he goes from sitting next to her and making out to turning away from her and spitting while on his hands and knees, with his ass suddenly facing her), but still. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claims Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]



*** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when it's actually assault.

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*** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when it's actually assault. DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale in play.
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* ValuesDissonance: There are a few quite moments in the game, while supposed to be comedic, very decisively dates the game's humor to the early 90's, and come across as rather problematic to a more modern audience.

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* ValuesDissonance: There are a few quite moments in the game, game that, while supposed to be comedic, very decisively dates the game's humor to the early 90's, and come across as rather problematic to a more modern audience.
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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while whipping his backside]]! This is indeed rather bad, due to this encounter involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.
*** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when Larry could probably file a lawsuit for assault.

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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] Thunderbird literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] room and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], dominatrix, forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: submission, places a dog collar on him]], him, and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while whipping his backside]]! This is indeed rather bad, due to this encounter involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.
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*** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when Larry could probably file a lawsuit for it's actually assault.

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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claims Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]
** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandably in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] is not interested in those kinds of relationships, [[spoiler: being heterosexual]], doesn't help. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!

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* ValuesDissonance: There are a few quite moments in the game, while supposed to be comedic, very decisively dates the game's humor to the early 90's, and come across as rather problematic to a more modern audience.
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The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claims Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]
** *** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandably in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] is not interested in those kinds of relationships, [[spoiler: being heterosexual]], doesn't help. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!
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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claim Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claim claims Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans woman, but the design document asserts Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans woman, but the design document asserts Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], {{transvestite}} something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he she implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has. The design document claim Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man, but game designers in 1993 knowing the difference? Yeah right.]]
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** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when Larry could probably file a lawsuit for assault.

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** *** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when Larry could probably file a lawsuit for assault.
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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while whipping his backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.

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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while whipping his backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is indeed rather bad, due to it this encounter involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.UnfortunateImplications.
** Not helped that this moment is meant to be PlayedForLaughs, when Larry could probably file a lawsuit for assault.
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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandable in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] not interested in those kinds of relationships [[spoiler: being heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!

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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandable understandably in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] is not interested in those kinds of relationships relationships, [[spoiler: being heterosexual]].heterosexual]], doesn't help. With this in mind, this is a VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!
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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is [[spoiler: heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a very bad stereotype that portrays those who are member of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!
** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.

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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is rather understandable in shock, and the fact that [[spoiler: Larry]] not interested in those kinds of relationships [[spoiler: being heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a very VERY bad stereotype that portrays those who are member members of [[spoiler: the LGBT community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!
** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the whipping his backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.
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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving decpetion and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual.

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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving decpetion deception and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual.consensual, and as a result, can lead to UnfortunateImplications.
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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is [[spoiler: heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a very bad stereotype that portrays those who are member of the LGBT community as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!

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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is [[spoiler: heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a very bad stereotype that portrays those who are member of [[spoiler: the LGBT community community]] as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!
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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]] forces him into [[spoiler: submission]] and makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving lies and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual.

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** Larry's encounter with [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] should also be brought into discussion as well! As [[spoiler: Thunderbird]] literally [[spoiler: manipulates Larry to come back to her room]] and, after [[spoiler: revealing herself to be a dominatrix]] dominatrix]], forces him into [[spoiler: submission]] submission]], [[spoiler: places a dog collar on him]], and then proceeds to makes him [[spoiler: crawl on his hands and knees in a circle repeatedly while being whipped on the backside]]! This portrayal of [[spoiler: BDSM activities]] is rather bad, due to it involving lies decpetion and also happening against a person's own will, rather than being consensual.
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** It also doesn't help that [[spoiler: Shablee]] also [[spoiler: lies to Larry]] and [[spoiler: conceals his identity]]. Larry spends the whole time thinking that [[spoiler: Shablee]] is actually [[spoiler: a woman]], so Larry's reaction, while rather overly dramatic, is at the very least understandable, coming from someone who was caught by surprise and is [[spoiler: heterosexual]]. With this in mind, this is a very bad stereotype that portrays those who are member of the LGBT community as dishonest and willing to rape someone for their own pleasure!

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* FairForItsDay: Shablee, one of the girls Larry dates, turns out to be a transvestite, something Larry to which reacts in disgust. This was less "transvestites are gross" and more of a parody of Dil from ''Film/TheCryingGame''.
* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans-woman, but the design document assert Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]

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* FairForItsDay: Shablee, one of the girls Larry dates, turns out to be a transvestite, something Larry to which reacts in disgust. This was less "transvestites are gross" and more of a parody of Dil from ''Film/TheCryingGame''.
* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after it was released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans-woman, trans woman, but the design document assert asserts Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after the year in which it was released, except in more "hardcore" adult humor venues like ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''. [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans-woman, but the design document assert Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after the year in which it was released, except in more "hardcore" adult humor venues like ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''. released [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans-woman, but the design document assert Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: The mandatory encounter with [[spoiler:Shablee]] is a particular kind of BlackComedy that wouldn't really swing after the year in which it was released, except in more "hardcore" adult humor venues like ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''. [[spoiler:It revolves around a combination of UnsettlingGenderReveal, BlackComedyRape, and DoubleStandardRapeMaleOnMale, with Shablee revealed as actually being a {{transvestite}}[[note]]some fans think trans-woman, but the design document assert Shablee is a cross-dressed gay man[[/note]], something that causes Larry to start spitting and gagging in disgust, before s/he implicitly rapes him off-screen. It goes without saying that the LGBT community doesn't like the associations that this "joke" has.]]
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* FairForItsDay: Shablee, one of the girls Larry dates, turns out to be a transvestite, something Larry to which reacts in disgust. This was less "transvestites are gross" and more of a parody of Dil from ''Film/TheCryingGame''.
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