History YMMV / JakIIRenegade

* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Jak II was [[EpilepticTrees claimed]] by some to be a [[TakeThat thinly veiled protest against]] the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the Bush administration ([[FauxSymbolism as supposedly represented by the MetalHead War and Baron Praxis respectively]]), particularly accusations that they are wars that were fought solely for political and/or economic gain by governments that had illegitimately gained power.[[hottip:*: With Baron Praxis's usurpation of power supposedly paralleling the Presidential election of 2000]] There is no proof of that NaughtyDog had any sort of [[WriterOnBoard political agenda]] when they made the game and for that matter had been in development well before the controversies regarding the Iraq War began.

WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Jak II was [[EpilepticTrees claimed]] by some to be a [[TakeThat thinly veiled protest against]] the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the Bush administration ([[FauxSymbolism as supposedly represented by the MetalHead War and Baron Praxis respectively]]), particularly accusations that they are wars that were fought solely for political and/or economic gain by governments that had illegitimately gained power.[[hottip:*: With Baron Praxis's usurpation of power supposedly paralleling the Presidential election of 2000]] There is no proof of that NaughtyDog had any sort of [[WriterOnBoard political agenda]] when they made the game and for that matter had been in development well before the controversies regarding the Iraq War began.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: There are a number of fans who were not happy with the DarkerAndEdgier turn that the series took with this game.

* EvenBetterSequel

* FakeDifficulty: Sure ''Jak II'''s more difficult than the previous game, but a lot of the difficulty comes from really cheap tricks: trial and error gameplay, long sections with plenty of instant deaths but no checkpoints, timed missions with zero room for errors, etc.
* FakeLongevity: One could argue that the mission-based structure leads to a lot boring and repetitive driving from one location to another, especially when the hub city is built to be such a maze that the drive distance between those locations is often unnecessarily long.

* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Metal Kor.]]
** The Baron also counts, although he's a just slightly lighter shade of grey than Kor.

* GoodBadBugs: A well known bug which allows the player to access and explore Sandover Vilalge as it appears in the game's opening. This is achieved by opening the disc tray during the opening cutscene, pressing triangle, and reinserting the disc. The game will drop Jak outside Samos's Hut, complete with Metal Heads flying out of the opened rift gate. At this point Jak will be unable to move; this is easily fixed by choosing 'restart mission' from the start menu. The area fully accessible, though it's surroundings only lead to bottomless voids. There has been some debate regarding the presence of Krimzon Guard crates in the village houses - some people claim that this proves the glitch was intentional, while others attribute it to the area simply being copied and pasted from the first game, with the Krimzon Guard crates automatically replacing Scout Fly Crates because of how it was coded.

* GoodBadBugs: There is an interesting "glitch" where if you remove the disc during the opening cutscene, and hold a shoulder button when you reinsert it, the game pops you up in a near-fully programmed Sandover Village (although you have to select "Restart Mission" in order to move around)--however, the game has large empty void in place of the Forbidden Forest, Sentinel Beach and Fire Canyon. This "glitch" was intentional, by the way--why else would you find Krimzon Guard crates full of Dark Eco laying around for the taking?
** Maybe because [[FridgeBrilliance the crates were in the same places as the scout fly crates and they use the same model name]] (since Sandover was probably just copied from Jak and Daxter).

** The Tombstone puzzle in Mar's Tomb is abundantly. By extension, the atmosphere in the tomb is generally pretty unnerving for some players.

* FridgeLogic: Jak and Daxter discover Samos' hut in Dead Town and realize that Haven City was built over their world. But how would that be possible when the geography around Haven City is very different than that around Sandover Village?

** And the Metal-Pede chase with Sig.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: There are a small number of fans who were not happy with the DarkerAndEdgier turn that the series took with this game.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: There are a small number of fans who were not happy with the DarkerAndEdgier turn that the series took with this game.
* Why is Jak 2 considered cyberpunk? I never understood why. Cyberpunk is a futuristic world with hackers, however, there are no hackers in the Jak series and how do we know it's even futuristic? It may even be some fantasy world with no relation to earth whatsoever, and maybe a planet in a distant galaxy, but there's no measurement or comparison to earth.

* CompleteMonster: Metal Kor.

What exactly did Kor/the metalheads plan on doing? Their villian characterization seemed rather vague to me. Their big evil plan was never mentioned. What was it? How/why were they a threat?

* Why is Jak 2 considered cyberpunk? I never understood why.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: There are a small number of fans who were not happy with the DarkerAndEdgier turn that the series took with this game.

* FakeDifficulty: Sure Jak II's more difficult than the previous game, but a lot of the difficulty comes from really cheap tricks: trial and error -gameplay, long sections with plenty of instant deaths but no checkpoints, timed missions with zero room for errors etc.

* FridgeBrilliance: In the part of the game where you storm the palace, and when you leave the small conference room near the baron's throne room, ever wonder why you're greeted with a turret stationed outside? Simple--the Baron uses that to assassinate his rival diplomats when they leave!

** It is entirely possible the game was a bit rushed to meet the release date.

* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: The boulder[[spoiler:/giant spider]] chase sequence in Mar's tomb.

* JerkAss: Erol, big time.

* Filler: One could argue that the mission-based structure leads to a lot boring and repetitive driving from one location to another, especially when the hub city is built to be such a maze that the drive distance between those locations is often unnecessarily long.