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* SpecialEffectsFailure: On some computers, entire lines of dialog will fail to load or get cut off mid-sentence. While the text boxes and music aren't affected, it can still be quite jarring.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: On some computers, entire lines of dialog will fail to load or get cut off mid-sentence. While the text boxes and music aren't affected, it can still be quite jarring.jarring.
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* BrokenAesop: At least one character claims that Biff, Orlando's [[ScaryBlackMan big black neighbor]] is a guy who prefers to solve all of his problems with brute force and thus should be taught a lesson. While Biff certainly isn't the nicest character we encounter in the game, it is Orlando who first tries to steal the crank from his car, subsequently knocking Biff out in an unfair fight. (And don't forget: Biff ''will'' leave Orlando be if he feels like Orlando won't attempt anything like it again.) Is it really so surprising that, at their next meeting, Biff is more than anxious to knock the living shit out of Orlando?
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*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He spoiler:pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly to scare them away while heroic music plays''. While he's acting in self defense, he could've fired one warning shot at the sky, ''not unload the whole gun around him''.
** The game has dozens of useless items and they all go into Jack's coat. While it makes sense to have red herrings, it doesnt make sense for Jack to fill his coat with multiple pages of literal garbage like fish bones, banana peels and broken bottles.

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*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He spoiler:pulls pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly to scare them away while heroic music plays''. While he's acting in self defense, he could've fired one a single warning shot at the sky, ''not unload the whole gun around him''.
** The game has dozens of useless items and they all go into inside's Jack's coat. While it makes sense to have red herrings, it doesnt make sense for Jack to fill fill his coat pockets with multiple pages of literal garbage like fish bones, banana peels and broken bottles.
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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are completely pointless remarks.

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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are completely so boringly pointless remarks.they circle back into being funny.
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--> '''Jack''': A cabinet. [[CaptainObvious Definitely full of files.]]

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--> '''Jack''': A cabinet. [[CaptainObvious Definitely full of files.That looks like a door to me.]]

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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are complaining about the decoration or pointless remarks, making him look less like a veteran detective and more of a boring and whiny old man.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Jack's prejudices are bad enough but the way he can go out of his way to be a jerk to random innocent people is near cartoony. He usually has multiple hostile choices with their own branches that let him double down on being hostile for no reason.
--> '''Jack''': Are you a psychology student doin' your pratical studies here, or are you just a normal whore?
--> '''Woman''': I should punch you in the mouth!
--> '''Jack''': Since when do you get feelings that could be hurt?
* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are complaining about the decoration or completely pointless remarks, making him look less like a veteran detective and more of a boring and whiny old man.remarks.



** For a game that takes it's own murder mystery plot completely seriously, some scenes and puzzles are borderline cartoony. One of the first puzzles involves Jack finding a way to pull a ladder, but instead of climbing on a footstool or anything simple, he decides to steal a cranking handle from a random civilian. How does he achieve that? By finding a horseshoe, [[WeightedGloves putting it inside a boxing glove]] and suckerpunching someone with it. And all in front of a witness. Reminder that Jack is doing that after being framed murder.

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** For a game that takes it's own murder mystery plot completely seriously, some scenes and puzzles are borderline cartoony. One of the first puzzles involves Jack finding a way to pull a ladder, but instead of climbing on a footstool or anything simple, he decides to steal a cranking handle from a random black civilian. How does he achieve that? By finding a horseshoe, [[WeightedGloves putting it inside a boxing glove]] and suckerpunching someone [[spoiler:knocking out the black man with it.it]]. And all in front of a witness. Reminder that Jack is doing that after ''after being framed murder.for murder''.



*** At one point Jack gets framed for ''a second murder'', implying a much deeper conspiracy but his only reaction is to be annoyed about it. The police tells him to wait in place while they talk with the witness [[PoliceAreUseless meaning Jack simply walks away from the crime scene]].

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*** At one point Jack gets framed for ''a second murder'', implying a much deeper conspiracy but his only reaction is to be annoyed about it. that he has more work to do. The police then tells him to wait in place while they talk with the witness [[PoliceAreUseless meaning so Jack simply walks has enough time to walk away from the crime scene]].



*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly to scare them away while heroic music plays''. While he's acting in self defense, he could've fired one warning shot at the sky, ''not unload the whole gun around him''.

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*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He pulls spoiler:pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly to scare them away while heroic music plays''. While he's acting in self defense, he could've fired one warning shot at the sky, ''not unload the whole gun around him''.



** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack's attempts to threaten or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.

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** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically or racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack's attempts to threaten or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.
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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are whining about the decoration or completely useless remarks, making him sound like a whiny old man who can't be pleased with anything and has no imagination or sense of humor.

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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are whining complaining about the decoration or completely useless pointless remarks, making him sound look less like a veteran detective and more of a boring and whiny old man who can't be pleased with anything and has no imagination or sense of humor.man.



** For a game that takes it's own murder mystery plot completely seriously, some scenes and puzzles are borderline cartoony. One of the first puzzles involves Jack finding a way to pull a ladder, but instead of climbing on a footstool or anything simple, he decides to steal a cranking handle from a random civilian. How does he achieve that? By finding a horseshoe, [[WeightedGloves putting it inside a boxing glove]] and suckerpunching the owner with it. And all in front of a witness.

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** For a game that takes it's own murder mystery plot completely seriously, some scenes and puzzles are borderline cartoony. One of the first puzzles involves Jack finding a way to pull a ladder, but instead of climbing on a footstool or anything simple, he decides to steal a cranking handle from a random civilian. How does he achieve that? By finding a horseshoe, [[WeightedGloves putting it inside a boxing glove]] and suckerpunching the owner someone with it. And all in front of a witness. Reminder that Jack is doing that after being framed murder.



*** At one point Jack gets framed for ''a second murder'' and his only reaction is to be annoyed. The police then tells him to wait in place while they talk with the witness [[PoliceAreUseless meaning Jack simply walks away from the crime scene]].
** The fact that the Jack's action menu is a bullet and two options are fighting and ''shooting''. Even if Jack is supposed to be a HardboiledDetective, the fact that he has two dedicated ways to physically threaten characters make him look unhinged.
*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly while heroic music plays''.

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*** At one point Jack gets framed for ''a second murder'' and murder'', implying a much deeper conspiracy but his only reaction is to be annoyed. annoyed about it. The police then tells him to wait in place while they talk with the witness [[PoliceAreUseless meaning Jack simply walks away from the crime scene]].
** The fact that the Jack's action menu is a bullet and two of options are fighting and ''shooting''. ''gun''. Even if Jack is supposed to be a HardboiledDetective, it's almost never the solution, the fact that he has two dedicated ways to physically Jack can threaten characters make violence against any character makes him look unhinged.
cartoonishly unhinged.
*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly to scare them away while heroic music plays''.plays''. While he's acting in self defense, he could've fired one warning shot at the sky, ''not unload the whole gun around him''.



** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack attempts to threaten or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.

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** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack Jack's attempts to threaten or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.
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** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack attempts to threat or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.

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** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack attempts to threat threaten or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.
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** The fact that the Jack's action menu is a bullet and two options are ''fighting'' and a ''shooting''. Even if Jack is supposed to be a HardboiledDetective, the fact that he has two dedicated ways to physically threaten characters make him look unhinged.

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** The fact that the Jack's action menu is a bullet and two options are ''fighting'' fighting and a ''shooting''. Even if Jack is supposed to be a HardboiledDetective, the fact that he has two dedicated ways to physically threaten characters make him look unhinged.
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---> '''Jack''': PoliticallyIncorrectHero Can you wash your whole life clean in there?

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---> '''Jack''': PoliticallyIncorrectHero '''Jack''': [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero Can you wash your whole life clean in there?there?]]
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* {{Narm}}: Many of Jack comments on the enviroment are whining about the decoration or completely useless remarks, making him sound like a whiny old man who can't be pleased with anything and has no imagination or sense of humor.
--> '''Jack''': A cabinet. [[CaptainObvious Definitely full of files.]]
** For a game that takes it's own murder mystery plot completely seriously, some scenes and puzzles are borderline cartoony. One of the first puzzles involves Jack finding a way to pull a ladder, but instead of climbing on a footstool or anything simple, he decides to steal a cranking handle from a random civilian. How does he achieve that? By finding a horseshoe, [[WeightedGloves putting it inside a boxing glove]] and suckerpunching the owner with it. And all in front of a witness.
---> '''Jack''': [[BlatantLies I had to do that]].
*** At one point Jack gets framed for ''a second murder'' and his only reaction is to be annoyed. The police then tells him to wait in place while they talk with the witness [[PoliceAreUseless meaning Jack simply walks away from the crime scene]].
** The fact that the Jack's action menu is a bullet and two options are ''fighting'' and a ''shooting''. Even if Jack is supposed to be a HardboiledDetective, the fact that he has two dedicated ways to physically threaten characters make him look unhinged.
*** At one point Jack will be surrounded by thugs and must find a way to escape. What does he do? He pulls his gun and ''opens fire randomly while heroic music plays''.
** The game has dozens of useless items and they all go into Jack's coat. While it makes sense to have red herrings, it doesnt make sense for Jack to fill his coat with multiple pages of literal garbage like fish bones, banana peels and broken bottles.
** The voice acting and localization ranges from acceptable to comically bad to comically racist. Conversations don't follow naturally and Jack attempts to threat or trick people make him sound like a drunk man making stuff up as he goes.
---> '''Jack''': Is this your laundry?
---> '''Chinese man''': No, no. My brotha has [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish raundry]]. I only help him.
---> '''Jack''': PoliticallyIncorrectHero Can you wash your whole life clean in there?
---> '''Chinese man''': I solly that we no can do.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jack. The developers did their best to invoke DeliberateValuesDissonance in order to make the game accurate to [[TheGreatDepression its setting]], meaning that Jack has the kind of unenlightened opinions of women, African-Americans, homosexuals, the Chinese, and other marginalized groups that one would expect from a white man in the 1930's. Players are split as to whether it's a refreshing aversion from other fiction that whitewashes unsavory history, or whether the course-correction on Jack's prejudices go ''too far'' and make Jack a DesignatedHero at best. It can be especially uncomfortable since several of the puzzles (like the infamous scene where Jack [[spoiler:steals a cranking handle from an innocent black man after knocking him out cold]]) are designed to reinforce Jack's xenophobia.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Jack. The developers did their best to invoke DeliberateValuesDissonance in order to make the game accurate to [[TheGreatDepression its setting]], meaning that Jack has the kind of unenlightened opinions of women, African-Americans, homosexuals, the Chinese, and other marginalized groups that one would expect from a white man in the 1930's. Players are split as to whether it's a Some players welcome the refreshing aversion change from other fiction that whitewashes unsavory history, or whether history; other players feel the course-correction on Jack's of giving Jack period-accurate prejudices go goes ''too far'' and make far'', making Jack a DesignatedHero at best. It can be especially uncomfortable since several of the puzzles (like the infamous scene where Jack [[spoiler:steals a cranking handle from an innocent black man after knocking him out cold]]) are designed to reinforce Jack's xenophobia.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Jack can come across as a DesignatedHero to many players due to some of his actions throughout the game, but this is actually purposeful on the part of the developers in order to make the game accurate to its Prohibition Era setting.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Jack can come across as a DesignatedHero to many players due to some of his actions throughout the game, but this is actually purposeful on the part of the BaseBreakingCharacter: Jack. The developers did their best to invoke DeliberateValuesDissonance in order to make the game accurate to [[TheGreatDepression its Prohibition Era setting.setting]], meaning that Jack has the kind of unenlightened opinions of women, African-Americans, homosexuals, the Chinese, and other marginalized groups that one would expect from a white man in the 1930's. Players are split as to whether it's a refreshing aversion from other fiction that whitewashes unsavory history, or whether the course-correction on Jack's prejudices go ''too far'' and make Jack a DesignatedHero at best. It can be especially uncomfortable since several of the puzzles (like the infamous scene where Jack [[spoiler:steals a cranking handle from an innocent black man after knocking him out cold]]) are designed to reinforce Jack's xenophobia.
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The [[spoiler:European castle]], which exists for no reason other than to make sure the Special Edition has some extra content.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: On some computers, entire lines of dialog will fail to load or get cut off mid-sentence. While the text boxes and music aren't affected, it can still be quite jarring.
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* DesignatedHero: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.

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* DesignatedHero: DeliberateValuesDissonance: Jack is made out can come across as a DesignatedHero to be a heroic detective who's simply down on many players due to some of his luck, actions throughout the game, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering this is actually purposeful on the game's time period, but part of the former, not so much.developers in order to make the game accurate to its Prohibition Era setting.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: DesignatedHero: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.
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UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.
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UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Jack is made out to be a heroic detective who's simply down on his luck, but he's often shown being violent and bigoted, frequently assaulting unarmed civilians (such as using a horseshoe in a glove to beat up a man trying to protect his property) and insulting various minority groups (like when he bluntly remarks [[HeteronormativeCrusader "I hate faggots!"]]). The latter could possibly be chalked up to DeliberateValuesDissonance, considering the game's time period, but the former, not so much.

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