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*** Is Jem a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and will, uh, [[JailbaitWait wait]] for her.
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice, ergo BeautyEqualsGoodness), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice, ergo BeautyEqualsGoodness), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
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*** Is Jem a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and will, uh, [[JailbaitWait wait]] for her.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice, ergo BeautyEqualsGoodness), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater. There's also the fact that some fans find the context of Jem being much older than Hetty ''and'' her adopted brother from childhood a bit of a turn-off, thus preferring Bertie as a healthier alternative.
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice, ergo BeautyEqualsGoodness), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater. There's also the fact that some fans find the context of Jem being much older than Hetty ''and'' her adopted brother from childhood a bit of a turn-off, thus preferring Bertie as a healthier alternative.
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** That doesn't mean to say that Hetty herself doesn't have her moments, because oh ''yes'', she does, sometimes even bordering into ManipulativeBitch territory (remember when she read Janet's diary where she had poured out her heart? Or when she yelled at Jem for trying to comfort her?
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Far too writer-focused. These tropes aren't about "you", whoever you are.
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** That doesn't mean to say that Hetty herself doesn't have her moments, because oh ''yes'', she does, sometimes even bordering into ManipulativeBitch territory (remember when she read Janet's diary where she had poured out her heart? Or when she yelled at Jem for trying to comfort her? I mean, I don't like Jem that much anyway, but still, and of course, lest we forget when she got herself fired for screaming at Mr Buchanan instead of just trying to reason with him about her memoirs. Oh, and also when she screamed at Diamond, who was again trying to reason with her, just because she mentioned that she liked Madame Addie's replacement act. Hetty has a very bad habit of being ruled by her emotions.)
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** That doesn't mean to say that Hetty herself doesn't have her moments, because oh ''yes'', she does, sometimes even bordering into ManipulativeBitch territory (remember when she read Janet's diary where she had poured out her heart? Or when she yelled at Jem for trying to comfort her? I mean, I don't like Jem that much anyway, but still, and of course, lest we forget when she got herself fired for screaming at Mr Buchanan instead of just trying to reason with him about her memoirs. Oh, and also when she screamed at Diamond, who was again trying to reason with her, just because she mentioned that she liked Madame Addie's replacement act. Hetty has a very bad habit of being ruled by her emotions.)
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.orders.
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** On reflection, Jem was certainly no saint, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. In retrospect Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'in a few years you'll be ready to be a real wife/see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to an emotionally vulnerable teenage girl as a grown man. Urgh.
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** On reflection, Jem was certainly no saint, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest DesignatedLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. In retrospect Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'in a few years you'll be ready to be a real wife/see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to an emotionally vulnerable teenage girl as a grown man. Urgh.
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.orders.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.
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** Diamond in ''Diamond'' is sold by her own father at 6 to a [[PsychopathicManchild psycho clown]], forced to have her body manipulated by said clown and perform for hours on end with no rest, then be ''beaten'' because she can't follow orders.orders.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.
* RecycledPremise: Takes heavy inspiration from Literature/AnneOfGreenGables : Red-headed hot-blooded orphan heroine with emotional baggage who longs for adventure? Check. Brooding brunette male love interest(s) with which said heroine will have BelligerentSexualTension ? Check. Set partly in the countryside? Check.
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** That doesn't mean to say that Hetty herself doesn't have her moments, because oh ''yes'', she does, sometimes even bordering into ManipulativeBitch territory (remember when she read Janet's diary where she had poured out her heart? Or when she yelled at Jem for trying to comfort her? I mean, I don't like Jem that much anyway, but still, and of course, lest we forget when she got herself fired for screaming at Mr Buchanan instead of just trying to reason with him about her memoirs. God.)
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** That doesn't mean to say that Hetty herself doesn't have her moments, because oh ''yes'', she does, sometimes even bordering into ManipulativeBitch territory (remember when she read Janet's diary where she had poured out her heart? Or when she yelled at Jem for trying to comfort her? I mean, I don't like Jem that much anyway, but still, and of course, lest we forget when she got herself fired for screaming at Mr Buchanan instead of just trying to reason with him about her memoirs. God.Oh, and also when she screamed at Diamond, who was again trying to reason with her, just because she mentioned that she liked Madame Addie's replacement act. Hetty has a very bad habit of being ruled by her emotions.)
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* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
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* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice), choice, ergo BeautyEqualsGoodness), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'in a few years you'll be ready to be a real wife/see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and will, uh, [[JailbaitWait ......wait]].
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with.
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and will, uh, [[JailbaitWait ......wait]].
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with.
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, Jem was certainly no saint, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, retrospect Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'in a few years you'll be ready to be a real wife/see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' an emotionally vulnerable teenage girl as a grown man
man. Urgh.
*** Is Jemsimply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and will, uh, [[JailbaitWait ......wait]].
[[JailbaitWait wait]] for her.
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
*** Is Jem
* ShipToShipCombat: Many fans are divided on which boy they prefer Hetty with. Most fans prefer Jem, who often gets the DracoInLeatherPants treatment (probably because he's seen as the more 'attractive' choice), whereas Bertie is torn apart quite badly as RonTheDeathEater.
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*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion-esque idea of turning her into a wife?
will, uh, [[JailbaitWait ......wait]].
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** Can we also re-examine hetty while we're at it? She does do and say some pretty questionable things that border on ManipulativeBitch territory.
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see 'in a few years you'll be ready to be a real wife/see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has aPygmalion sort-of Pygmalion-esque idea of her?turning her into a wife?
*** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a
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Although Katherine ''was'' the arguable AlphaBitch in the first half of ''Emerald Star'', it's understandable she'd be annoyed at her husband for never telling her about a [[ChildOfForbiddenLove love-child]] which has suddenly turned up on her doorstop 15 years or so later, which she is no doubt expected to instantly welcome into her home.
** Hetty doesn't make it easy for her either considering she defies Katherine to the point of pure spite in some cases, and even worse considering Hetty's father now appears to favour Hetty's needs, which only adds salt to the wound.
** Hetty doesn't make it easy for her either considering she defies Katherine to the point of pure spite in some cases, and even worse considering Hetty's father now appears to favour Hetty's needs, which only adds salt to the wound.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Although Katherine ''was'' the arguable AlphaBitch in the first half of ''Emerald Star'', it's understandable she'd be annoyed at her husband for never telling her about a [[ChildOfForbiddenLove love-child]] which has suddenly turned up on her doorstop 15 years or so later, which she is no doubt expected to instantly welcome into her home.
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Although Katherine ''was'' the arguable AlphaBitch in the first half of ''Emerald Star'', it's understandable she'd be annoyed at her husband for never telling her about a [[ChildOfForbiddenLove love-child]] which has suddenly turned up on her doorstop 15 years or so later, which she is no doubt expected to instantly welcome into her home.
Although Katherine ''was'' the arguable AlphaBitch in the first half of ''Emerald Star'', it's understandable she'd be annoyed at her husband for never telling her about a [[ChildOfForbiddenLove love-child]] which has suddenly turned up on her doorstop 15 years or so later, which she is no doubt expected to instantly welcome into her home.
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man--Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man--Is man
Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.
** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** On reflection, perhaps we can re-examine the character of Jem, who was for a long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. In retrospect, Jem could be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.
** Isman--Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** Is Jem simply a DoggedNiceGuy trying to win Hetty's heart who he tries hard to protect her?, or protect? Or an emotional manipulator who's in [[LovingAShadow in love with what he wants to see]] and has a pygmalion Pygmalion sort-of idea of her?
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** On reflection, perhaps we are seeing the character of Jem through a rather rosy, idyllic lens as Hetty's sense of stability and rock, so to speak. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. On reflection, Jem could actually be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.
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** On reflection, perhaps we are seeing can re-examine the character of Jem through Jem, who was for a rather rosy, idyllic lens as Hetty's sense of stability long time the SatelliteLoveInterest to Hetty and rock, so to speak.a place of emotional support and stability. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. On reflection, In retrospect, Jem could actually be extremely insensitive, possessive and manipulative toward Hetty as we see in a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.
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** One could also argue that Jem himself isn't such a good person as he's presented to be. On reflection, Jem could be extremely insensitive and take the high-horse in some cases, such as disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.
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** One could also argue that On reflection, perhaps we are seeing the character of Jem himself isn't such through a good person rather rosy, idyllic lens as he's presented Hetty's sense of stability and rock, so to be. speak. However, when we scrutinise some of his actions, we actually see him in a far different light. On reflection, Jem could actually be extremely insensitive insensitive, possessive and take the high-horse manipulative as we see in some cases, such as a whole multitude of examples: disrespecting Madame Adeline (which Hetty did [[BerserkButton not like]]), being unsupportive to Hetty after her mother's death, being too controlling over her at times, criticising Hetty's longing for adventure and attempting to corner Hetty (who was 14/15 at the time) about marriage. Not only does he still [[NoYay languish after a teenage girl]] (who's not fully interested in him) for years, emotionally manipulates her about being able to [[EntitledToHaveYou 'see in her eyes that she loves him/Those vows meant something to me!/I'll ''make'' you change']] AND failing to see that they are incompatible, [[CannotSpitItOut he can't even face telling the woman he's supposed to be engaged to that he doesn't truly love her]], yet still ''marries'' her, after attempting to runaway with Hetty minutes before his wedding, ''to save face.'' And lest we forget, Jem does all of this to a ''child'' as a grown man.