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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson. Helps that he was KilledOffscreen.

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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson. Helps that he was KilledOffscreen.KilledOffscreen and the only thing that was seemingly left of him are his teeth, which sharks can easily grow back.
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*** It's possible Crimson knew Moxxie would hate the "decorations", but Chaz--whose supposed money Crimson needed desperately--would love them. It's possible when Crimson said they would make "your kind" feel more welcome, he had Chaz in mind instead of Moxxie.

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*** It's possible Crimson knew Moxxie would hate the "decorations", but Chaz--whose supposed money Crimson needed desperately--would love them. It's possible when Crimson said they would make "your kind" feel more welcome, he had Chaz in mind instead of Moxxie.Moxxie (notably, he's ''right'' when it comes to Chaz on that).

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Not Narm. Explained here. And Mood Whiplash isn't YMMV - whether or not the scene worked is subjective, but the trope itself is either there or it isn't, audience reaction notwithstanding.


* MoodWhiplash: A very infamous example where Crimson threatens Moxxie into marrying Chaz and the flashback showing the death of Moxxie'ss mother, while interpersed with the joke that Crimson had dildos installed in the wall for his 'gay' son. Many people agreed that the joke was very tone-deaf/inconsistent, and it did not help that Vivziepop defended the scene.
* {{Main/Narm}}: As one youtuber noted, it doesn't really make sense that there would be a mob in Hell, considering there is no effective law enforcement. As shown in the sister series ''WebAnimation/HazbinHotel'', wars take place on a daily basis, and that isn't even getting into the annual Angel purging. Hell is chaos incarnate, so there's no reason for anyone to hide bodies.
** As good as Horvitz is at voicing Crimson, it still feels like he's just talking to himself whenever Moxie shares the screen with him.
** The dildo scene. Even for this show, it's a bit much.

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* MoodWhiplash: A very infamous example where Crimson threatens NarmCharm: Crimson's voice can be a little silly, sounding like Moxxie into marrying Chaz and affecting a stereotypical "mob boss"--which makes sense, given the flashback showing the death of Moxxie'ss mother, while interpersed with the joke two characters share a voice actor--but most agree that Crimson had dildos installed in the wall for his 'gay' son. Many people agreed that the joke was very tone-deaf/inconsistent, and it did not help that Vivziepop defended the scene.
* {{Main/Narm}}: As one youtuber noted, it doesn't really make sense that there would be a mob in Hell, considering there is no effective law enforcement. As shown in the sister series ''WebAnimation/HazbinHotel'', wars take place on a daily basis, and that isn't even getting into the annual Angel purging. Hell is chaos incarnate, so there's no reason for anyone to hide bodies.
** As good as
Richard Steven Horvitz is at voicing Crimson, it still feels like he's just talking to himself whenever Moxie shares the screen with him.
** The dildo scene. Even for this show, it's
does a bit much.great job in making him intimidating regardless.
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Added Mood Whiplash for that infamous dildo scene. If this doesn't work, let me know.

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* MoodWhiplash: A very infamous example where Crimson threatens Moxxie into marrying Chaz and the flashback showing the death of Moxxie'ss mother, while interpersed with the joke that Crimson had dildos installed in the wall for his 'gay' son. Many people agreed that the joke was very tone-deaf/inconsistent, and it did not help that Vivziepop defended the scene.
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* {{Main/Narm}}: As one youtuber noted, it doesn't really make sense that there would be a mob in Hell, considering there is no effective law enforcement. As shown in the sister series ''WebAnimation/HazbinHotel'', wars take place on a daily basis, and that isn't even getting into the annual Angel purging. Hell is chaos incarnate, so there's no reason for anyone to hide bodies.
** As good as Horvitz is at voicing Crimson, it still feels like he's just talking to himself whenever Moxie shares the screen with him.
** The dildo scene. Even for this show, it's a bit much.
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*** Was he sincerely trying to show Moxxie support, in a really twisted and misguided way? Or did he ''know'' his son would be uncomfortable, and was just {{Troll}}ing with the whole "I thought you'd like it" bit?

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*** Was he sincerely trying to show Moxxie support, in a really twisted and misguided way? Or did he ''know'' his son would be uncomfortable, and was just {{Troll}}ing {{troll}}ing with the whole "I thought you'd like it" bit?


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* SugarWiki/HeReallyCanAct: While Crimson isn't Creator/RichardStevenHorvitz's first villainous role, he's a [[PlayingAgainstType departure]] from the man's usual repertoire, being a truly malevolent and dangerous bad guy played almost entirely straight. And Horvitz ''nails'' it, with his performance helping make Crimson a chilling, loathsome and memorable antagonist.

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** Why did Millie spare Crimson's life? Some viewers think it was because she thought killing her father-in-law would put strain on her marriage, even if there was obviously no love lost between Crimson and Moxxie. Others think it was an act of CruelMercy, forcing Crimson to live with his failure and the fact that he got suckered by Chaz's harebrained scam.



* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being a homophobic piece of shit? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everywhere that are constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain a homophobic piece of shit? shit]]? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everywhere that are constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.
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uncomfortability is barely a word, and would mean 'inablity to be comforted'


* NoYay: The insinuation here that Moxxie actually sees Blitzo as a father figure quickly caused this reaction in those that once had Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie as a OneTrueThreesome, sharing Moxxie's uncomfortability in Blitzo's trying to get in their pants now.

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* NoYay: The insinuation here that Moxxie actually sees Blitzo as a father figure quickly caused this reaction in those that once had Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie as a OneTrueThreesome, sharing Moxxie's uncomfortability discomfort in Blitzo's trying to get in their pants now.
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* NoYay: The insinuation here that Moxxie actually sees Blitzo as a father figure quickly caused this reaction in those that once had Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie as a OneTrueThreesome, sharing Moxxie's comfortability in Blitzo's trying to get in their pants now.

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* NoYay: The insinuation here that Moxxie actually sees Blitzo as a father figure quickly caused this reaction in those that once had Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie as a OneTrueThreesome, sharing Moxxie's comfortability uncomfortability in Blitzo's trying to get in their pants now.
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* NoYay: The insinuation here that Moxxie actually sees Blitzo as a father figure quickly caused this reaction in those that once had Blitzo, Moxxie, and Millie as a OneTrueThreesome, sharing Moxxie's comfortability in Blitzo's trying to get in their pants now.
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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson. Helps that he was KilledOffscreen, meaning that he was never actually seen getting killed.

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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson. Helps that he was KilledOffscreen, meaning that he was never actually seen getting killed.KilledOffscreen.
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** Did Crimson actually believe that Millie was simply Moxxie's [[TheBeard beard]] or was he only acting that way in hopes of convincing Moxxie that his actual marriage was meaningless?
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Crimson IS the episode's Big Bad. He's equally hated for his villainous actions just as much as him just being unpleasant actions. This entry can't count as Jerks Are Worse Than Villains.


* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Chaz is a perverted CasanovaWannabe but he's extremely popular with the fanbase due to just how [[LaughablyEvil funny]] and [[LargeHam hammy]] he is. By contrast, Crimson is just your typical [[AbusiveParents abusive parent]] and is utterly loathed by the fanbase for his horrible treatment of Moxxie (including blatant queerphobia in a show where virtually nobody else has a problem with LGBT+ people) [[spoiler:and the nasty implications that he might've killed Moxxie's mother or forced Moxxie to kill his mother]].
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* RealismInducedHorror: Part of what makes Crimson all the more loathsome is that unlike the other villains on the show, he isn't [[LargeHam hammy]] nor are his actions PlayedForLaughs. He's just a [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain homophobic]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive]] parent who has abused Moxxie since his childhood with the nasty implication that he might've actually forced the latter to ''kill'' his own mother. The fact that [[AbusiveParents people like Crimson]] do exist in RealLife makes his behavior in the episode all the more deplorable.
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Chaz is a perverted CasanovaWannabe but he's extremely popular with the fanbase due to just how [[LaughablyEvil funny]] and [[LargeHam hammy]] he is. By contrast, Crimson is just your typical {{AbusiveParent}} and is utterly loathed by the fanbase for his horrible treatment of Moxxie [[spoiler:and the nasty implications that he might've killed Moxxie's mother or forced Moxxie to kill his mother]].

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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Chaz is a perverted CasanovaWannabe but he's extremely popular with the fanbase due to just how [[LaughablyEvil funny]] and [[LargeHam hammy]] he is. By contrast, Crimson is just your typical {{AbusiveParent}} [[AbusiveParents abusive parent]] and is utterly loathed by the fanbase for his horrible treatment of Moxxie (including blatant queerphobia in a show where virtually nobody else has a problem with LGBT+ people) [[spoiler:and the nasty implications that he might've killed Moxxie's mother or forced Moxxie to kill his mother]].
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* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Chaz is a perverted CasanovaWannabe but he's extremely popular with the fanbase due to just how [[LaughablyEvil funny]] and [[LargeHam hammy]] he is. By contrast, Crimson is just your typical {{AbusiveParent}} and is utterly loathed by the fanbase for his horrible treatment of Moxxie [[spoiler:and the nasty implications that he might've killed Moxxie's mother or forced Moxxie to kill his mother]].
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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson.

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** Despite having two confirmations to his death, some fans theorize that Chaz wasn't killed but was merely given AFateWorseThanDeath by Crimson. Helps that he was KilledOffscreen, meaning that he was never actually seen getting killed.

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** What was Millie's relationship with Chaz like and how did they break up?



* KarmicOverkill: Chaz may have been a scummy, overly lusting con man who was totally fine in breaking up Moxxie and Millie to get rich, but some feel him being murdered at the end was a little much, especially since it has been heavily implied that he still cares for at least Moxxie deep down.

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* KarmicOverkill: Chaz may have been a scummy, overly lusting con man who was totally fine in breaking up Moxxie and Millie to get rich, but some feel him being murdered at the end was a little much, especially since it has been heavily implied that he still cares for at least Moxxie deep down.down and Crimson, who was infinitely worse, [[KarmaHoudini walked away with a slap on the wrist]].
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being a homophobic piece of shit? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everywhere that are CensoredForComedy and constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being a homophobic piece of shit? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everywhere that are CensoredForComedy and constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.
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** Did Moxxie's mother oppose all of Crimson's criminal activities? Or would she be perfectly okay with Moxxie joining the family business if he weren't so damn ''young''?

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** Did Moxxie's mother oppose all of Crimson's criminal activities? Or would she be perfectly okay with Moxxie joining the family business if he weren't so damn ''young''?''young''? The fact that ''she'' was showing him how to shoot implies the latter.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being a homophobic piece of shit? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everyone that are CensoredForComedy and constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Crimson being a homophobic piece of shit? Not funny. Crimson thinking that making the house more fitting for Moxxie's "kind" is installing hundreds of ''dildos'' everyone everywhere that are CensoredForComedy and constantly flopping around to the point Moxxie is ''baffled'' Crimson would think ''anyone'' is into that? ActuallyPrettyFunny. Moxxie being InstantlyProvenWrong when Blitzo proves to find the dildos hilarious? The icing on the cake.
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* RealismInducedHorror: Part of what makes Crimson all the more loathsome is that unlike the other villains on the show, he isn't [[LargeHam hammy]] nor are his actions PlayedForLaughs. He's just an [[AbusiveParents abusive parent]] who has abused Moxxie since his childhood with the nasty implication that he might've actually forced the latter to ''kill'' his own mother. Getting murdered by a crew that exists in Hell is unlikely to happen but it is common for [[AbusiveParents people like Crimson]] do in fact exist in RealLife.
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** Is Chaz really as bad in bed as Blitzø says? Or are Blitzø's kinks just wildly different from what M&M would find arousing? Our only clue is Blitzø shouting "Chill the fuck out", which might suggest that Chaz is either or both of [[SpeedSex too fast]] or too rough, even by Blitzø's standards.

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** Is Chaz really as bad in bed as Blitzø Blitzo says? Or are Blitzø's Blitzo's kinks just wildly different from what M&M would find arousing? Our only clue is Blitzø Blitzo shouting "Chill the fuck out", which might suggest that Chaz is either or both of [[SpeedSex too fast]] or too rough, even by Blitzø's Blitzo's standards.



** Did Moxxie’s mom truly die? Could she resurface one day to save her son and his coworkers from Crimson’s wrath?

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** Did Moxxie’s Moxxie's mom truly die? Could she resurface one day to save her son and his coworkers from Crimson’s wrath?
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* RealismInducedHorror: Part of what makes Crimson all the more loathsome is that unlike the other villains on the show, he isn't [[LargeHam hammy]] nor are his actions PlayedForLaughs. He's just an [[AbusiveParents abusive parent]] who has abused Moxxie since his childhood with the nasty implication that he might've actually forced the latter to ''kill'' his own mother. Getting murdered by a crew that exists in Hell is unlikely to happen but it is common for [[AbusiveParents people like Crimson]] do in fact exist in RealLife.
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** Was Crimson pissed that Chaz tried to scam him in the first place? Or was he pissed that he ''fell for it'', in spite of how easy it would have been to discover the truth?
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The thin looking goon (named Depressed Boyfriend by the show staff) that got a dildo shoved up his ass before getting stabbed through the back of the throat has a noticeable following due to his looks.



* FanNickname: The aforementioned goon, only referred to as "Depressed Boyfriend" in the character sheets, was given the fan name [[Film/{{Jaws}} Quint]] [[Film/TheGodfather Corleone]].

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* FanNickname: The aforementioned goon, only goon referred to as "Depressed Boyfriend" in the character sheets, was given the fan name [[Film/{{Jaws}} Quint]] [[Film/TheGodfather Corleone]].
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** Crimson filling the house with dildoes is full of this, since it probably took a good deal of time and effort to set up.
*** Was he sincerely trying to show Moxxie support, in a really twisted and misguided way? Or did he ''know'' his son would be uncomfortable, and was just {{Troll}}ing with the whole "I thought you'd like it" bit?
*** Does Crimson believe Moxxie is gay and hiding behind Millie like he says, or does he know M&M is the real deal and is trying to sway Moxxie more towards the idea of marrying another man?
*** It's possible Crimson knew Moxxie would hate the "decorations", but Chaz--whose supposed money Crimson needed desperately--would love them. It's possible when Crimson said they would make "your kind" feel more welcome, he had Chaz in mind instead of Moxxie.
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* InformedWrongness: Chaz is supposed to be portrayed as a bad boyfriend for leaving Moxxie behind to get arrested. However, Moxxie's leg is pinned by security-grade bank gates. Leaving him behind was the only option he could've done with the police arriving. It is noted that Moxxie is seems to be more hurt by the fact that Chaz didn't even ''try'' to save him over the abandonment itself.

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* InformedWrongness: Chaz is supposed to be portrayed as a bad boyfriend for leaving Moxxie behind to get arrested. However, Moxxie's leg is pinned by security-grade bank gates. Leaving him behind was the only option he could've done with the police arriving. It is noted that Moxxie is seems to be more hurt by the fact that Chaz didn't even ''try'' to save him over the abandonment itself.

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